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2N3055:

--- Quote from: bdunham7 on September 25, 2021, 02:25:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on September 25, 2021, 07:24:07 am ---"arc fault protection" is the latest buzz-phrase in electrical installation here. Lots of profit to be made implementing the new regs, which is a good thing, right?   :popcorn:

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I just had a fire that did thousands of dollars of damage that was due to a defective device arcing internally.  I have AFCI breakers on certain circuits, but this was a 240VAC circuit for the swimming pool, so GFCI not AFCI is what is installed.  AFCI might just have prevented that fire.

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House fires are serious enough. I wasn't saying that.
Those AFCI devices are definitely something that might save many houses and even lives..

It's just, that, large arc flash accident is a very violent explosive event that is similar to someone dropping bomb in how dangerous it is..

joeqsmith:
If the laws mandate these devices and you end up with an electrical fire, are they liable?  Seems like they could be.

bdunham7:

--- Quote from: joeqsmith on September 25, 2021, 05:47:21 pm ---If the laws mandate these devices and you end up with an electrical fire, are they liable?  Seems like they could be.

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They could be if the plaintiff could prove that the device did not perform as expected or required by the relevant standard, but that would be a lot more difficult than a strict liability case.  My guess is that AFCI manufacturers will face liability in house fire cases if they haven't already.  I'm not aware of any current such cases, but since most cases settle before they see the light of day, there could be many.

Fungus:

--- Quote from: bdunham7 on September 25, 2021, 07:45:26 pm ---My guess is that AFCI manufacturers will face liability in house fire cases if they haven't already.  I'm not aware of any current such cases, but since most cases settle before they see the light of day, there could be many.

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There's a ton of fake devices out there:



How do you make 100% sure you aren't installing one?

AVGresponding:

--- Quote from: Fungus on September 25, 2021, 07:53:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: bdunham7 on September 25, 2021, 07:45:26 pm ---My guess is that AFCI manufacturers will face liability in house fire cases if they haven't already.  I'm not aware of any current such cases, but since most cases settle before they see the light of day, there could be many.

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There's a ton of fake devices out there:



How do you make 100% sure you aren't installing one?

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By having the work done by a reputable electrician using quality brand named goods from a reliable bricks and mortar source.

That's not a 100% guarantee by any means, but should lower the risk to very, very low levels. I haven't (yet) seen any counterfeit brand named items (Eaton, Schneider, Hager etc) from the big wholesalers (Edmundsons, CEF etc).

I have come across some fake BS1362 fuses, but unfortunately couldn't say where they came from.

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