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Martin72:

--- Quote ---Look again, it's much more than "touch screen bolted onto legacy interface".
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If you only watch videos and pictures, you might not get the right impression.
In reality, the creation and positioning of the windows was a difficult, annoying and not always as functional as intended matter.
I had also described this in the Rigol thread.
Nevertheless, it is the "best" user interface rigol has ever had, no question.
But as almost always, it is very well thought, but half-heartedly done.
This ultimately drove me into the arms of siglent.
What they offer is not super fancy, but it works as intended.
In practice, that makes all the difference.

2N3055:

--- Quote from: Fungus on August 15, 2023, 06:01:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on August 15, 2023, 08:26:50 am ---And praise how "new Rigols" have "good interface" is fact that they finally made touch screen interface. In fact the were late to the party, it was long due  on their part.

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Look again, it's much more than "touch screen bolted onto legacy interface".

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That is exactly what I said. Previous MSO5000/7000 was an awkward hybrid. But as Martin says, even the new one is far from being that good. Not because concept is wrong ( concept is kind of right this time) but you can literally see it is brand new and kind of thrown together in a  hurry. Bunch of stuff is missing etc.. You can see they were rushing it to the market.
But they are on the right track and if they finish it they might have good product.

I really wish they take it seriously and make good products. It is good for us to have choice..

Or maybe they will finish it 80% and then move to the new products in the future...
Only Rigol knows what are real plans and only time will tell.

nctnico:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on August 15, 2023, 10:19:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: Fungus on August 15, 2023, 06:01:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on August 15, 2023, 08:26:50 am ---And praise how "new Rigols" have "good interface" is fact that they finally made touch screen interface. In fact the were late to the party, it was long due  on their part.

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Look again, it's much more than "touch screen bolted onto legacy interface".

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That is exactly what I said. Previous MSO5000/7000 was an awkward hybrid. But as Martin says, even the new one is far from being that good. Not because concept is wrong ( concept is kind of right this time) but you can literally see it is brand new and kind of thrown together in a  hurry. Bunch of stuff is missing etc.. You can see they were rushing it to the market.
But they are on the right track and if they finish it they might have good product.

I really wish they take it seriously and make good products. It is good for us to have choice..

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Yes. Even if that means the price being on par with Keysight, R&S, Tektronix, Yokogawa, etc. Engineers cost serious money in China nowadays so realistically the Chinese can't make test equipment that really is on par with the A-brands cheaper than the A-brands can. And a lot of the problem is lack of knowledge as well. China is handing out large financial incentives for companies to bring leading edge technology into China (just to be clear: this is first hand information!).

Martin72:

--- Quote ---Even if that means the price being on par with Keysight, R&S, Tektronix, Yokogawa, etc.
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Based on daily work and comparison with an "A" brand, I have to say that the Siglent scope performs very well.
If you want to include "more" than just the performance, you have to make sacrifices, that's clear.
There's the quality of the device's workmanship, the variety of functions and the comfort of the user interface, and above all the after-sales service.
If that would be on the same level as the other providers, there would be no significant price difference (and therefore no reason to buy them).
Privately, I have no problem with that, so I can disregard that and buy a "cheaper" scope.
At work, in the test field, I have nevertheless introduced the Siglent scopes, due to a simple consideration.
For the money, they perform exceedingly well and if there is something wrong with them, we just buy a new one instead of having it repaired.
What I don't like or find irritating, however, is the "general mood" here in the forum regarding scopes and their prices.
A scope for say 3000€/$ is still a cheap device today.
You should not fool yourself.

Veteran68:

--- Quote from: Martin72 on August 15, 2023, 11:00:55 pm ---What I don't like or find irritating, however, is the "general mood" here in the forum regarding scopes and their prices.
A scope for say 3000€/$ is still a cheap device today.
You should not fool yourself.

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What mood is that, exactly?

You have to remember this forum is made up of both hobbyists and those who do this for a living. I don't know what the mix is, but I suspect it leans more towards hobbyists than working professionals. In a professional lab, scopes and logic analyzers commonly run into the many tens of thousands of dollars. But outside of a job like that, or cheap(er) kits, back 30 years ago hobbyists had no ready access to that kind of equipment.

Thanks to sub-$500 oscilloscopes, now any semi-serious hobbyist or maker can afford a scope. Since those people are likely a majority of this forum, I'd say $3000 for a scope (while certainly cheap for commercial use) is still WAY out of reach of most of them. I certainly won't pay that for my personal use.

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