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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #125 on: October 13, 2017, 12:53:12 pm »
LOL, the militant male feminists so bravely outing 'sexism' from behind their keyboards. It brings to mind Harvey Weinstein and Bill Clinton's potent and sincere feminist advocacy.

Funny how fewer women than men in the STEM fields can't possible point to a difference in aptitude and interest, no, it must be something more nefarious.

And yet....for all the handwringing over such horrific inequities, there's no concern that in the first world 85%+ of primary and secondary education teachers are women, a lucrative career in my area, leaving precious few positive male role models in critical formative years.
 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #126 on: October 13, 2017, 02:39:08 pm »
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Tektronix on Monday morning.   :P
Me too!  >:D
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #127 on: October 13, 2017, 02:45:34 pm »
I lost my respect for Tektronics marketing when they started placing w2aev w2aew videos as ads in front of every 2nd Signal Path video.  The first time I was "oops, clicked the wrong one", the second time "grrr, click". After that I just felt sorry for w2aev w2aew, with Tek marketing leeching off his hard earned reputation.
i guess tektronix or w2aew has no control of it. its automated by youtube based on your interest profile, not sure whats that called. you should blame TheSignalPath for letting the ads floating around his video, i think thats his choice.

The type of ads shown are determined by YouTube algorithms. My videos are setup to show one ad at the beginning which is the default demonetization setting. Today was the first time I clicked on the Monetization Tab.  Ads can also be shown at the end, during, etc. which I don't have enabled.

To say that: "you should blame TheSignalPath for letting the ads floating around his video" is self-indulging, entitled babble. To spend all the time, all the effort and passion to produce hour long videos with a few seconds of ads at the beginning puts me at blame?  :-- :palm:
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #128 on: October 13, 2017, 02:46:31 pm »
While the OP was certainly a poor attempt at commiunity engagement, my goodness, what a pit of arrogant, sexist vipers here!!!! Just because someone is a woman doesn’t mean she was just hired to be a pretty face!!! Get over yourselves, if you think that “sexist” marketing applies to you, then it’s YOU who needs an attitude adjustment!


1. I'm not a "arrogant, sexist viper". (though it's possible you aren't talking about me)
2. I didn't say she was hired to be a pretty face! When I first made the sexism remark (page 1), I didn't even know that the OP was the person in the picture, nor did I know that she worked for Tektronix.

Instead, I assumed (correctly, as it turns out) that the OP was someone in sales and marketing from Tektronix. I further assumed that this photo was taken at an event where Tektronix put their oscilloscope in the hands of some people (I assumed that these people did not work for Tektronix -- at least 1/6 incorrect) and gave them a handbook, a demo board, and an oscilloscope to play with for a short period of time (again, correct).

So far, nothing I've stated or assumed is sexist or problematic. But here began the problems. I assumed (incorrectly) that the person taking the picture was a Tektronix marketing person (perhaps the original poster) because that person's job was to survey the people using the oscilloscopes and make advertising material from their experiences. For all we know, the person taking the photo could be anybody, including being her dad. It's possible that none of this was ever intended to be marketing material (except insofar as the people using the oscilloscopes in the picture were being marketed to).

What lead to my original comment was basically the aforementioned wall of assumptions (both incorrect and correct) and inferring that this overall marketing attempt would/should look like this:

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[picture 1]

This is Jimmy. Jimmy says he really loves the big touchscreen on the 8 channel scope.
He says he thought he liked having dedicated knobs for each channel, but once he used
the MSO 58 he realized that he can manipulate traces even more easily with the touchscreen
than with dedicated knobs!

[picture 2]

This is Lee. At work, Lee often has to take many correlated measurements at once. Unfortunately,
most oscilloscopes don't work very well for Lee because he they reduce the sample rate of each
channel by a factor of 2 or 4 as you turn more channels on. This makes Lee mad! The MSO 58
doesn't have this problem: each channel has its own dedicated sampling engine, so turning on
additional channels never reduces the sample rate. Plus, the MSO 58 has 8 channels -- something
that almost no oscilloscopes ever made have had.

[picture 3]

This is Carla. Carla's job is to debug very complicated digital systems involving parallel busses
for multiple processors. Since most oscilloscopes only have four channels plus sixteen digital
channels, Carla often has to use multiple oscilloscopes to make measurements. This makes
Carla very frustrated: it's very hard to maintain good time correlation with multiple oscilloscopes.
But with the MSO 58 from Tektronix, Carla only needs one oscilloscope and she can watch 64 independent
channels with a custom threshold for each channel! Carla thinks the MSO 58 is going to make her
job much, much easier.

Now, I don't mean to pat myself on the back too much here, but this would have been perfectly acceptable marketing -- and we might have even appreciated it!

But I interpreted what I was seeing (again, laden with the above assumptions -- both incorrect and correct, in hindsight) was something like this:

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[picture 1]

This is some person using a Tektronix MSO 58 oscilloscope. There were a bunch of people at the
demonstration event that day, but we're only showing you this one photo because this person
is female and she's the most photogenic person in the room.


This is what I was referring to as sexist (and bad marketing). You aren't selling communicating anything about the product. You aren't selling any stories or experiences. You have told no tales, you have advocated no advantages. You are simply putting the product in the hands of an attractive young woman, and hoping the customer's base lizard brain makes a positive association between the product and attractive young woman. This is sexism. It might be reverse sexism, I'm not sure. This kind of advertising is absolutely pervasive (at least in the United States).

It's not good for anybody involved. It's not good for Tektronix, because it's not terribly effective in this case (this technique sells soft drinks, sandwiches, clothes, and all kinds of other products -- but it's not likely to move oscilloscopes). It's not good for the customers (they don't get any information on why they might want this actually quite capable oscilloscope). It's not good for men (whose lizard brains are being exploited). It's not good for women (who aren't being treated equally or fairly as potential customers, and who are (under the incorrect assumptions above) being singled out of a crowd). After all, their lizard brains might not be equivalently tickled! It's not good for minorities (who aren't represented in this picture or story at all).
 
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No, we already knew many posts ago that it IS her, posted with HER work account. From her replies, I assume she knows more about scopes than about marketing. What’s she supposed to do when taking a selfie in a room of men, masquerade as a man?!?


This comment was borne out of my misunderstanding of the picture of an older woman working for Tektronix with the identical text next to her. I thought that what people were saying was that the original poster was the older woman (not the woman pictured). I don't assume anything like that (not that I haven't made a whole host of mistakes assuming this and that already). And of course I don't think she should masquerade as a man -- an idiotic suggestion. What I want to hear is actual stories of all of the people in that room. What I don't want is no stories and a picture of the most attractive person in the room. (note: it's of course possible that I'm more attracted to the other people in the room, but we'll never know because we can't see their faces!)

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On a similar vein: Should a knowledgeable person who happens to be naturally pretty or handsome therefore be prohibited from posting a selfie, because horny, cynical engineers will simply assume that it’s a marketing ploy?!? I think that’s absurd.

And we wonder why more women don’t go into STEM fields...  :palm:

0. It's not a selfie!
1. Of course not.
2. I'm not horny or cynical.
3. It was a marketing ploy -- unofficial and unapproved or not, that much is proven.

And we should wonder why more women don't go into STEM fields, and we should do something about it.

But we can be certain that awful marketing campaigns such as this one are part of the problem, not part of the solution. And that is the point I was trying to make all those pages ago.
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #129 on: October 13, 2017, 02:53:22 pm »
I lost my respect for Tektronics marketing when they started placing w2aev w2aew videos as ads in front of every 2nd Signal Path video.  The first time I was "oops, clicked the wrong one", the second time "grrr, click". After that I just felt sorry for w2aev w2aew, with Tek marketing leeching off his hard earned reputation.
i guess tektronix or w2aew has no control of it. its automated by youtube based on your interest profile, not sure whats that called. you should blame TheSignalPath for letting the ads floating around his video, i think thats his choice.

The type of ads shown are determined by YouTube algorithms. My videos are setup to show one ad at the beginning which is the default demonetization setting. Today was the first time I clicked on the Monetization Tab.  Ads can also be shown at the end, during, etc. which I don't have enabled.

To say that: "you should blame TheSignalPath for letting the ads floating around his video" is self-indulgence, entitled babble. To spend all the time, all the effort and passion to produce hour long videos with a few seconds of ads at the beginning puts me at blame?  :-- :palm:

Of all the people in this thread who have done something wrong (myself certainly included), you have done nothing but be awesome. You keep doing you, and ignore any haterade that emanates from this thread or others.

 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #130 on: October 13, 2017, 02:57:13 pm »
What would redeem this thread? A teardown by Dave, and a giveaway of 10 of these scopes!
 
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #131 on: October 13, 2017, 02:58:14 pm »
The first yes, the second.... errrrrr I think you want to twist the arm of repent a bit too much ;)
 

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« Reply #132 on: October 13, 2017, 02:59:27 pm »
LOL, the militant male feminists so bravely outing 'sexism' from behind their keyboards. It brings to mind Harvey Weinstein and Bill Clinton's potent and sincere feminist advocacy.

I found it hard to understand what position you are actually taking with this post, but let's leave an (un-convicted, mind you) serial rapist out of this discussion please. The worst thing to take place in this thread so far is ineffective communication. I assume one's local laws can be different, but I think the scale of the crime and the punishment for this and what a scumbag like Harvey Weinstein did are not even worth mentioning in the same discussion. Bad advertising may be counterproductive, but it's not criminal.
 

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« Reply #133 on: October 13, 2017, 03:00:28 pm »
What would redeem this thread? A teardown by Dave, and a giveaway of 10 of these scopes!

Here's a message we can all get behind!
 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #134 on: October 13, 2017, 03:12:00 pm »
Why even talk about the attractiveness or unattractiveness of the woman on an EE forum?

This of course leads to the second question: why have a picture of a person with no known EE credibility next to the oscilloscope on an EE forum?

The second question can perhaps be answered as 'standard advertising practice'.

Can we now move on and talk about the scope instead of the woman or feminism or advertising or manipulative practices or what not?
 
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #135 on: October 13, 2017, 04:14:50 pm »
Can we now move on and talk about the scope instead of the woman or feminism or advertising or manipulative practices or what not?
There is already a huge thread on this scope. There is noting to discuss here. It is just marketing people don't give two hoots about politeness, they just want to push their shit everywhere.
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Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #136 on: October 13, 2017, 06:15:01 pm »

This of course leads to the second question: why have a picture of a person with no known EE credibility next to the oscilloscope on an EE forum

So now you have to have a PHD in EE with 20 years experience designing scope frontends to talk about scopes in here do you?

The double standards applied in here are breathtaking in their magnitude.

Have you ever once seen a man in this forum have his experience and qualifications so thoroughly questioned? Especially when he made zero claims in the first place as to being an expert.

Statements like “she probably used her fathers email account” are disgusting and all you panting Neanderthals should be ashamed of yourselves.
 

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« Reply #137 on: October 13, 2017, 06:20:02 pm »
LOL, the militant male feminists so bravely outing 'sexism' from behind their keyboards.


So you’re proud of being a misogynist in real life as well as on the internet too?

Well isn’t that charming.
 

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« Reply #138 on: October 13, 2017, 06:34:31 pm »
As the thread almost calmed down, someone new enters, calling everyone panting Neanderthals. I'd almost mistake it for misandry.
 

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« Reply #139 on: October 13, 2017, 06:43:48 pm »
As the thread almost calmed down, someone new enters, calling everyone panting Neanderthals. I'd almost mistake it for misandry.
::)
Dubbie posted #3 post, when did you arrive ?

I'm still waiting for some technical content, will we get any ?
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« Reply #140 on: October 13, 2017, 06:51:45 pm »
::)
Dubbie posted #3 post, when did you arrive ?

I'm still waiting for some technical content, will we get any ?
Yeah, but without responses since the second page, and that just barely. But yeah, sure, the second to last post was fairly inflammatory too.

I just thoroughly dislike the off the chart polarization, which seems to always happen when this discussion arises. There's camp misogyny and camp SJW and many who can't place you in their camp, automatically places you in the other.
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« Reply #141 on: October 13, 2017, 06:55:57 pm »
Sorry if I hurt your feelings Mr. Scram.
 

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« Reply #142 on: October 13, 2017, 06:58:07 pm »
Sorry if I hurt your feelings Mr. Scram.
You didn't hurt my feelings, but I don't think calling people panting Neanderthals fosters a careful and meaningful discussion. Pretty much nothing good can come from such a remark, which is a shame, considering you probably have a profound opinion on the matter you'd like to share with others.
 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #143 on: October 13, 2017, 07:02:40 pm »
Ok folks, shows over we have had the same argument around 4 times over.
 
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