MSO5074 vs DSOX1204A

[TheSteve]

I don't know why they leave WinCe for Linux .

Because M$ won't sell them licenses after a certain date, so they have no choice.

Yes, but they can use Windows IOT or Windows 10 for ARM .
They already have Win 10 on some series .
Maybe Linux Embeded was a better choice for they but it seem that need some polish ...

I do believe they have a team developing the linux OS and utils. I get the feeling the scope was the first to get it and is the test bed for future products that will also be using it. So before it is rolled out to many products it will be tested and refined quite a bit.

[stafil]

So you are keeping both?

Definitely!

I think you bought othersscope , right?
SDS2000X+ or GW Instek ?

SDS2000X+

[skander36]

So, DSOX 1200 or 2000 ?
MSOX5074 has its own place .

[2N3055]

Problem is that it is mostly ignored that Windows graphic architecture and libraries are vastly more efficient than what Linux has. That, together with fact that there are many more good graphic programers  for windows makes it harder to make same thing on Linux.
But it's a good thing somebody started and hopefully things will get better. Maybe they will even contribute some graphic library that actually works back to O.S.

[Mr. Scram]

I do believe they have a team developing the linux OS and utils. I get the feeling the scope was the first to get it and is the test bed for future products that will also be using it. So before it is rolled out to many products it will be tested and refined quite a bit.

Looking at the interview Dave had with John Kenny they've been working on going Linux a long time. Apparently they were worried about the various license structures and obviously you'll need to start from scratch and redevelop a product up to your current standards. I do get the feeling John understood the problems they were facing using Windows weren't going away and something needed to be done. If anyone hasn't seen it, it's a great interview and well worth your time. The first part is posted below.

[Mr. Scram]

Problem is that it is mostly ignored that Windows graphic architecture and libraries are vastly more efficient than what Linux has. That, together with fact that there are many more good graphic programers  for windows makes it harder to make same thing on Linux.
But it's a good thing somebody started and hopefully things will get better. Maybe they will even contribute some graphic library that actually works back to O.S.

They had to develop the Windows product quite a bit too. At one point they greatly reduced the boot time, which I understand was no small feat.

[nctnico]

Problem is that it is mostly ignored that Windows graphic architecture and libraries are vastly more efficient than what Linux has. That, together with fact that there are many more good graphic programers  for windows makes it harder to make same thing on Linux.
But it's a good thing somebody started and hopefully things will get better. Maybe they will even contribute some graphic library that actually works back to O.S.

They had to develop the Windows product quite a bit too. At one point they greatly reduced the boot time, which I understand was no small feat.

Likely. WindowsCE isn't Windows at all. I've seen co-workers struggle a lot with CE after they initially thought it would be like programming on Windows. Lots of limitations and basic stuff like a good flash based filesystem, database and ability to skin the GUI where completely missing. I decided to go the Linux route and had a much easier job to create a slick GUI and a rock solid product. With Linux on an embedded platform getting away from a standard look is just a matter of using/creating a different GTK theme instead of creating / coding GUI elements from scratch like my co-workers had to do for CE. The biggest advantage of using Linux on an embedded target is that it isn't a cut down version of a full blown OS. This means every piece of software that is available to run on a PC is available for use on the embedded platform (unless it uses assembly code). This gives a huge advantage because you don't have to code stuff from scratch or pay a lot of money to get a (crappy) third party library. The only limit is the embedded platform itself.

[TheSteve]

I do believe they have a team developing the linux OS and utils. I get the feeling the scope was the first to get it and is the test bed for future products that will also be using it. So before it is rolled out to many products it will be tested and refined quite a bit.

Looking at the interview Dave had with John Kenny they've been working on going Linux a long time. Apparently they were worried about the various license structures and obviously you'll need to start from scratch and redevelop a product up to your current standards. I do get the feeling John understood the problems they were facing using Windows weren't going away and something needed to be done. If anyone hasn't seen it, it's a great interview and well worth your time. The first part is posted below.

Agilent/Keysight have had a number of products that have run Linux over the years. Each time the product had an OS made just for that product. I believe they are now trying to have an OS base that can be used across many products/divisions. Only time will tell us what they decide to use.

[TK]

I do believe they have a team developing the linux OS and utils. I get the feeling the scope was the first to get it and is the test bed for future products that will also be using it. So before it is rolled out to many products it will be tested and refined quite a bit.

Looking at the interview Dave had with John Kenny they've been working on going Linux a long time. Apparently they were worried about the various license structures and obviously you'll need to start from scratch and redevelop a product up to your current standards. I do get the feeling John understood the problems they were facing using Windows weren't going away and something needed to be done. If anyone hasn't seen it, it's a great interview and well worth your time. The first part is posted below.

Agilent/Keysight have had a number of products that have run Linux over the years. Each time the product had an OS made just for that product. I believe they are now trying to have an OS base that can be used across many products/divisions. Only time will tell us what they decide to use.

DSOX scopes still use Spear 600 and there must be more powerful and modern options in the market.

[skander36]

DSOX scopes still use Spear 600 and there must be more powerful and modern options in the market.

Rigol MSO5074 use a more powerfull ARM processor, but look at the UI , so much lag. 

[skander36]

One, basic in my opinion, feature that I did miss was the statistics. I don't understand why it's not there when even the $300 Siglent has it.

Statistics actually is in the application , but not in this HW ID.
I found it when I experiment with HW ID's  but I don't remember what was . Three years ago . It was functional but not he other functions, so change it away .
I will keep my Rigol 5074 but I need also a Keysight scope , for it's behavior (responsive, fluent , fast). I'm stick with a 2000 series but it is an old line and I don't know if will be replaced by DSOX1200 series with new specs - 200k wfw/s / 2Mpts . Maybe DSOX1200 is more apropriate ...
@Keysight DanielBogdanoff - what is preparing Keysight for the future with 2000 series ?

Thank you !

I found a print screen with "Statistics"

[Gandalf_Sr]

DSOX scopes still use Spear 600 and there must be more powerful and modern options in the market.

Rigol MSO5074 use a more powerfull ARM processor, but look at the UI , so much lag.

I don't notice any UI lag on my MSO5074, please give me an example of what the problem is.

[TK]

DSOX scopes still use Spear 600 and there must be more powerful and modern options in the market.

Rigol MSO5074 use a more powerfull ARM processor, but look at the UI , so much lag.

I don't notice any UI lag on my MSO5074, please give me an example of what the problem is.

I found it annoying the lag when moving the trace horizontally or vertically, or trying to change trigger level.

[skander36]

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I don't notice any UI lag on my MSO5074, please give me an example of what the problem is.

That means you didn't use it ...
Beside Tk examples , there is a lag on almost any commands from front panel that affect signal (Vert. or Horiz.) .

LE. -DS2000 series is much more responsive , and not talking of Keysight .