Author Topic: Debating the Fluke 87-V vs 28-II to replace my trusty Beckman Industrial DM27XL  (Read 33874 times)

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Offline ben_r_

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If Fluke made a 289 without the logging and given that a somewhat simpler display (but with the same counts and other specs) I'd probably be all over it...

As for the others, the reviews weren't very encouraging, and I hesitate to get a dedicated bench meter at this point.
Just go for the 289. You wont regret it. I went back and forth for a while too, but ultimately I just broke down and tried it. Been happy since.
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Offline MartyMacGyverTopic starter

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Has anyone dealt with Fluke recently with regard to purchases of the "Ships from and sold by Amazon.com" variety? From what I've read (from over a year ago) they honor the warranty if bought that way, but do they honor their authorized dealers promotions too?

I'd put in the order right now if I knew for sure... may do it anyway, just to lock it in.
 

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Has anyone dealt with Fluke recently with regard to purchases of the "Ships from and sold by Amazon.com" variety? From what I've read (from over a year ago) they honor the warranty if bought that way, but do they honor their authorized dealers promotions too?

I'd put in the order right now if I knew for sure... may do it anyway, just to lock it in.

On the lifetime warranty models, to my knowledge Fluke in the U.S. actually honors the warranty even for "used" meters, they just don't say so outright.
I think the reason is that so many are purchased by employers and records no longer available to the end user, often years later.
When you set up for factory service they don't seem particularly interested in where you bought it or when, nor do they require documentation when you send it in for service.
Just don't mention "used" or "eBay" and I think you would be fine.

There. I've just queered the whole deal...
 

Offline MartyMacGyverTopic starter

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After talking with Amazon I may hold off on that avenue til I find out more. I don't want surprises, and frankly I rather like the current Fluke promos (and those require purchase from an "authorized" dealer). (Edit: However, $615 + tax is a rather sweet price...)

For those who've ordered Fluke products in the U.S., who is the most reliable Fluke dealer any of you have dealt with, in terms of being a) authorized, b) good to deal with and c) having current stock (versus outdated stock)? I'm pondering TestEquipmentDepot.com and TEquipment.net in particular... both seem to have a 5% off deal going on as well right now, though I would have to wait up to a week to get my order if shipped via the "free" options. Since the price is effectively identical between the two I'm trying to differentiate on other considerations (after all, I could become a return customer).
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I've ordered equipment from both TestEquipmentDepot.com and TEquipment.net lately.  No problems with either.  Got my 87V from Amazon, full warranty and it had the latest version board.  Only problem I've had recently was Amazon sent me a Weller soldering station that had been opened (my guess is a return).  They replaced it overnight at no charge when I called.

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I went through this same process a few months ago and wound up with the Fluke 87v which I'm very happy with. The Agilents didn't appeal to me so it came down to the Fluke (87v/287/289) or the Breymen (available rebranded as Greenlee in the USA). If you're still interested in the Breymen, the top-of-the-line models are the Greenlee DM820A, DM830A, and DM860A. All but the 860 are available on Amazon w/free shipping. Greenlee's site will show you where to buy the 860 and you may be able to find a dealer locally. I live in a rural area and there are two near me.
In the end, rather than trying to find one meter that does everything, I supplemented the 87v with an old Fluke 5 1/2 digit bench meter with four wire resistance, in great condition, that I picked up on eBay for under $100. Plus the bench meter belonged to NASA (it still has the calibration stickers) which I thought was way cool.
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TestEquipmentDepot.com has been awesome for me. Ive been ordering more and more from them.
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TestEquipmentDepot.com has been awesome for me. Ive been ordering more and more from them.
I've been watching prices on Amazon drop over the weekend for the 289/FVF kit but I'm glad I waited until today: Test Equipment Depot has a few of them for $553 on Amazon with free shipping (not many, but it appears to be the real deal, and only via Amazon). I paid a bit extra to get it faster, but it still beat every other price out there.  :D

Also, according to Fluke I should be able to use the "Right Tool for the Right Job" promo since it's still shipped and sold by them (AKA Fotronic) and they're an authorized dealer. Fingers crossed! And it sounds like a firmware fix for the ambient light problem with the optical connector is on its way (I got to see the meter in action at Maker Faire this weekend and the engineer who had it fabricated a cover for the sensor because of this).
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TestEquipmentDepot.com has been awesome for me. Ive been ordering more and more from them.
I've been watching prices on Amazon drop over the weekend for the 289/FVF kit but I'm glad I waited until today: Test Equipment Depot has a few of them for $553 on Amazon with free shipping (not many, but it appears to be the real deal, and only via Amazon). I paid a bit extra to get it faster, but it still beat every other price out there.  :D

Also, according to Fluke I should be able to use the "Right Tool for the Right Job" promo since it's still shipped and sold by them (AKA Fotronic) and they're an authorized dealer. Fingers crossed! And it sounds like a firmware fix for the ambient light problem with the optical connector is on its way (I got to see the meter in action at Maker Faire this weekend and the engineer who had it fabricated a cover for the sensor because of this).
Amazon charges sales tax to California people now, so buying directly from TestEquipmentDepot is a better bet for us these days. And yes, both Amazon and TestEquipmentDepot are authorized resellers and I got in on the "Right Tool for the Right Job" promo too. Cool to get something for free, and then just eBay it :) lol Also, as far as I have learned form my research, the IR issue during data logging was only really an issue with the 287 and that firmware fix has been out a while now. From what I saw the 289 never demonstrated the problem.
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Offline MartyMacGyverTopic starter

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Yes, the tax on items sold directly by Amazon itself to certain states can be a factor (though sometimes it's still  a better deal).

And yes, the IR issue does exist on the 289 - the engineer I met made his optical port cap for that reason, and from my call today it sounded like Fluke is aware of the issue and is working on it.
 

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Yes, the tax on items sold directly by Amazon itself to certain states can be a factor (though sometimes it's still  a better deal).

And yes, the IR issue does exist on the 289 - the engineer I met made his optical port cap for that reason, and from my call today it sounded like Fluke is aware of the issue and is working on it.
True.

And huh, Id kinda like a cover for the port just for cleanliness reasons. How much was that guy trying to get for one of those covers and where can we order?
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Offline MartyMacGyverTopic starter

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I know exactly who I spoke with but I can't find his website... I'll have to look for it later tonight. He wasn't selling them (or I'd have bought one!), he just designed a little cover, 3D-printed in dark grey or black, then added yellow Sugru to the top and sides to block IR (evidently the base plastic doesn't do a good job at that). It looked great - my first question was where he bought the cover! - but it was definitely a one-off.

Edit: Hey, I found it! http://www.shapeways.com/model/373094/protection-cap-for-fluke-287-289.html

And I found his original post on the cap: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/kill-a-fluke-287-with-a-halogen-lamp/msg70992/#msg70992
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And yes, the IR issue does exist on the 289 - the engineer I met made his optical port cap for that reason, and from my call today it sounded like Fluke is aware of the issue and is working on it.
Fixed.

http://mjlorton.com/forum/index.php?topic=297.0

 

Offline MartyMacGyverTopic starter

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That would be the firmware Fluke mentioned to me today then, and apparently it's not yet available (though hopefully will be in the next few days or weeks).
 

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A Fluke 87III can be had on eBay for $100. I just bought 2.
 

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I know exactly who I spoke with but I can't find his website... I'll have to look for it later tonight. He wasn't selling them (or I'd have bought one!), he just designed a little cover, 3D-printed in dark grey or black, then added yellow Sugru to the top and sides to block IR (evidently the base plastic doesn't do a good job at that). It looked great - my first question was where he bought the cover! - but it was definitely a one-off.

Edit: Hey, I found it! http://www.shapeways.com/model/373094/protection-cap-for-fluke-287-289.html

And I found his original post on the cap: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/kill-a-fluke-287-with-a-halogen-lamp/msg70992/#msg70992
Ah, good ol Shapeways. Looks like they are not actually for sale though. Oh well, waste of money I guess if there is going to be a new firmware to fix the issue. However it would be nice to have one just as a dust cover. But since hes 3D printing them and not actually injection molding them I doubt itll hold up too well. Everything I have bought from Shapeways 3D printing was kinda brittle and really just for prototyping before you move the product to injection molding or something similar.
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Offline MartyMacGyverTopic starter

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FWIW it looked solid enough to me and he's been using it for quite a while. Either way, the design's out there for people to try.
 

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Either way, the design's out there for people to try.
It is? Where? Shapeways says its "Not For Sale". So where does one get it exactly?
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I thought it was downloadable despite that - evidently not. Here's his original blog post on it... you might try contacting him about it (perhaps he can chime in on this thread):

http://www.aerodynes.fr/2012/04/23/fluke-289-fixing-the-shutdown-issue/

Edit: I don't have the design, I just saw the cap in person and asked about it.
 

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My 289 arrived today (and was evidently manufactured just a couple of weeks ago)!

I easily updated it to 1.16 (came with 1.12):
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-287-289-firmware-update-version-1-16-now-posted/

I was happy to see that it came with the newer AC175 alligator clips (an improvement on the discontinued AC72s it used to come with):
http://www.fluke.com/fluke/usen/accessories/test-leads-probes-and-clips/ac175-alligator-clip-set.htm?PID=76067

It also came with a couple of protective caps for the test leads, presumably for higher CAT ratings compliance (didn't expect that).

All in all, I'm very pleased. Thanks for all the helpful hints and suggestions here, and thanks to Test Equipment Depot for the quick turnaround on my order through Amazon (still surprised at the sale price there...)
 

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I am glad that you got something of that high a quality and safety. It is doubtful you will ever need another mutimeter. The problem is now not if you need one, but if you crave another.  ;)
 

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Congrats and excellent choice! I love mine and yea Id def only upgrade for if/when they came out with a newer/upgraded model of the 289! Otherwise so far this has been an awesome handheld DMM!
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