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Title: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: KD0CAC John on June 12, 2019, 11:26:15 pm
The last couple of days I have been seeing the DE 5000 hit ebay at half or less of the average low price in the past - $100 - $120 .
Now seeing $50 & $36 ?
Wondering if these are being counterfeited or what ?
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: Terry01 on June 12, 2019, 11:29:24 pm
I'd give it a wide berth regardless buddy. Sounds like a con.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: BillB on June 12, 2019, 11:31:39 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/(ebay)-new-der-ee-de-5000-w-tweezers-etc-for-cheap/msg1892756/#msg1892756 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/(ebay)-new-der-ee-de-5000-w-tweezers-etc-for-cheap/msg1892756/#msg1892756)

We've seen this before.  My bet is that it is a scam.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: KD0CAC John on June 12, 2019, 11:47:07 pm
Here's one of them , ebays site say they are both in CA different cities .
Both sellers stores show a lot of things I've looked at with prices around $150 - $200 , almost nothing in there stores are over $50 .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking-/323831689917?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking-/323831689917?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10)
Need to find a way to tell ebay when I see these obvious bs . 
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: oPossum on June 13, 2019, 12:08:30 am
Says item is in CA, but...

"Based in China, mqwhg27 has been an eBay member since May 25, 2018"

This has become quite common. Probably will ship from china if it even ships.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on June 13, 2019, 02:38:33 am
just posted on another thread 

Sames pictures,  they say they are in Usa but when you check their store, it say  China and Usa based


https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917?)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749?)

Tried to report it to Ebay

Iv'e been bitten in the past, managed to get a refund before they where cancelled and removed.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: bitseeker on June 13, 2019, 02:50:06 am
Yeah, these kinds of scams come in waves. I saw a bunch of them this week. Often, they're well-established accounts that have been hacked into to make them more convincing. Easiest tell is when they have large inventories, most of the items were added only recently, and/or most of what they're selling is priced much lower than everyone else.

Use the "Report this item" button/link in the listing. Then select, Listing practices, Fraudulent listing, You believe this listing may be fraudulent, and submit it.

When I see one, I usually check what else they're selling and submit fraud reports on several (or more if I'm feeling cranky >:D). If you're unsure about the typical pricing, you can often see other listings advertised on the item's page. I don't know why eBay doesn't algorithmically flag these already. Maybe they do and they're dog slow doing anything about them until people start submitting negative feedback.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: windsmurf on June 13, 2019, 03:36:35 am
The good thing is, there's buyer protection through ebay. 
https://pages.ebay.com/ebay-money-back-guarantee/
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on June 13, 2019, 05:09:05 pm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917?)


Seems to have been removed, sad for the people who have paid for nothing :(

and the other say :

100% GENUINE PRODUCTS
Beware of counterfeit items sold on eBay
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: bitseeker on June 14, 2019, 01:50:33 am
The products may be genuine, but it doesn't mean you'll receive them. :-DD
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: windsmurf on June 14, 2019, 04:35:54 am
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917?)


Seems to have been removed, sad for the people who have paid for nothing :(

and the other say :

100% GENUINE PRODUCTS
Beware of counterfeit items sold on eBay

This one is still up.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749)
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on June 14, 2019, 11:13:50 am
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917?)


Seems to have been removed, sad for the people who have paid for nothing :(

and the other say :

100% GENUINE PRODUCTS
Beware of counterfeit items sold on eBay

This one is still up.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749)


Still up and show  China stuff in his/her store ....   
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: rsjsouza on June 15, 2019, 01:08:16 am
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831689917?)


Seems to have been removed, sad for the people who have paid for nothing :(

and the other say :

100% GENUINE PRODUCTS
Beware of counterfeit items sold on eBay

This one is still up.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749)


Still up and show  China stuff in his/her store ....
I reported this listing, and eBay said there is already a case of products being sold without prior approval from the owner - i.e., the account was most probably hacked.
The trigger is also seeing many of their products being  sold for the same low price, regardless of the product type itself.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: KD0CAC John on June 15, 2019, 02:39:27 pm
I found the report key , then every drop-down menu had nothing that would allow reporting this type of issue .
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on June 15, 2019, 05:38:43 pm
Stupid Ebay, seriously  something is going wrong for them ? they love selling and dont give a F@%  for the buyers, they rely on Paypal protection.

Well  Bitten again at  32$ best offer,  if i try 2x items at 32$/ offer,  Ebay say:   i cant do that since i've probably bought from him/her in the past 10 days   :wtf:  Never bought from that name.

But 32$/ offer for 1 is allowed ???    :--

You can make a complain,  listing practices,  other listing practices, item location misrepresentation ...

I actually did that yesterday...  nothing changed, 35 buyers and rising ???


One at 49$ usd
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-DE-5000-bundle-TL-21-TL-22-AC-Adapter/362676479162? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-DE-5000-bundle-TL-21-TL-22-AC-Adapter/362676479162?)

Other at 36$ usd
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749?)
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: rsjsouza on June 15, 2019, 06:14:59 pm
The $49 offering would be a bit  more credible if the seller's other items didn't include brand new items such as a 3500W sinewave inverter and a Roomba for the exact same price.

I usually use the settings attached to report these.

Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: rsjsouza on June 17, 2019, 08:14:37 pm
Interesting; the same user doubled down on the offer and reduced the price to $29.99!

The reporting seems to be innocuous.  :--
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on June 17, 2019, 08:52:09 pm
I've bitten at the 36$ usd,   well see ...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749?)

49  sold   loll
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: windsmurf on June 17, 2019, 09:31:32 pm
I've bitten at the 36$ usd,   well see ...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-New-F-S-Tracking/323831860749?)

49  sold   loll

Looks like the auction is stopped. 
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: maginnovision on June 17, 2019, 09:33:57 pm
When this happened with some meters not long ago eBay eventually shut it down and refunded everyone.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on June 17, 2019, 09:36:54 pm
It relink under a new name  loll   wow              complaint done again  loll

Received this : "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was lost or broken."

Talked to an ebay representative, they dont understand  why the seller name has changed to the "zdda12589" and was "homelikegrandma" originally ???

Same Amount of sold items ....  49 deveived buyers  like me  :wtf:   :palm:

And now i have to wait past the estimated delivery time in 1 month  :(    to open a refund case  pfffffff  this time  i've learned  loll  wont be bitten again for sure.

Done the same complaint for: 29$
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-DE-5000-bundle-TL-21-TL-22-AC-Adapter/362676479162? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-DE-5000-bundle-TL-21-TL-22-AC-Adapter/362676479162?)
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: windsmurf on June 17, 2019, 10:20:21 pm
How would this make the scammers any money?  I don't think EBay allows cashing out their Paypal accounts before the transaction is completed, do they? 
Or does EBay allow them to profit, and EBay takes the financial hit?

On another note, the scammers should sell something more popular like a new Fluke 87V for $150.   Seems that would net them a lot more than a $39 LCR meter...
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on June 17, 2019, 11:22:31 pm
I think Ebay is seriously flawed, you access it thru an email account or poor logging credentials,  you can create many temporary emails, 20 mins or less in life.

Ebay should cross check  credit card, bank accounts  etc...  it should be enforced. They changed some paypal process, you can have cash faster than before.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: rsjsouza on June 18, 2019, 01:24:21 pm
How would this make the scammers any money?  I don't think EBay allows cashing out their Paypal accounts before the transaction is completed, do they? 
Or does EBay allow them to profit, and EBay takes the financial hit?

On another note, the scammers should sell something more popular like a new Fluke 87V for $150.   Seems that would net them a lot more than a $39 LCR meter...
I can't help but wonder if the shipping and phone information is what they are looking for. From time to time I receive scam calls entirely spoken in Chinese and I have a vague recollection this happened after I fell for one of these.

If the item is too popular, the listing would get shut down quicker, but I suspect there are a few of these with iPhones and other gadgets.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: bitseeker on June 18, 2019, 10:47:12 pm
I've begun suspecting this, too. It's a pretty reliable way to harvest contact data.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: NoisyBoy on June 18, 2019, 11:36:08 pm
This is the constant risk/inconvenience one encounters on e-Bay. 

For that last listing, fraud is very evident.  If you go in the seller review, you will see a mostly positive reviews.  However, if you dig deeper, you will see a ton of transactions of very low price item (like a small stone for $1.99 - really!), each giving a one sentence review.  The pattern repeats for low price identical items within that short time frame.  So this set up of a fake store with a set of fake buyers is how they make the seller appears as a reliable seller.  Most buyer will never spend the time to review it, and fall into the trap.

Now, when it comes to how they profit from the fraud.  There are a number of red flags in the listing:
"We Accept Paypal ONLY!  Payment Must Be Blanced in 7 days After Auction Ended."
"The images shown are not the actual item and are for your reference only."
"If you have not received your shipment within 30 days from payment, please contact us. We will track the shipment and get back to you as soon as possible with a reply. Our goal is customer satisfaction!"

Typically, funds are withdrawn from your account and placed into the seller PayPal account as you make the payment.  It often takes a few days before seller can transfer the funds they received from their PayPal account into their own bank account.  Given the goods comes from China, even if they actually ship you something, the payment would be settled well before you receive your merchandise.  If you follow their 30 day suggestion, the money is long gone from the PayPal system by the time you file a claim.  Assuming they close their bank account, or hack into someone else's, so they can take their money and run.  In that case, I presume PayPal would end up getting hit with the fraud, and the buyer will eventually get the money back.

If you look at the reviews, you will see some -ve reviews of people who actually got scammed.  They said the seller never respond to messages, send out fake tracking number, and the merchandise never arrived. 

So buyers beware for goods that are too good to be true, do your research before hitting the buy button.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: rsjsouza on June 19, 2019, 12:45:16 am
Even more... The bad reviews are mostly concentrated in the last few weeks or the last month, hinting the account was hijacked. At least that was the case with a couple of the listings shown here.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: NoisyBoy on June 19, 2019, 03:28:48 am
I believe that was true with one of the earlier account I looked at, they might have hijacked one of the store that sold primarily plastic model kits (like the ones we built as a teenager).  But this one, I did not go all the way back to the beginning, but from the first four pages of reviews, it was apparently set up as a scam with phony reviews.

Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on June 19, 2019, 10:10:09 am
Well   my order seller name has changed to : zdda12589   (no items in the store section)    and i received a tracking number,  surely a fake one  loll

The fun thing is :  the feedback section has been made private  :wtf:  wow      tought of everything  loll

Delivery  Eta:   end of NEXT month  ......  pfffff

Funny the item was previously  lost or broken  loll
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: John_Cavanaugh on June 19, 2019, 05:24:44 pm
I fell for this at a price of $59.  Doh.  |O   

I just chatted with Ebay, they said it looked suspicious and would forward to their back office team for investigation.   My unit has a china post tracking number that somehow says it will be here by the 20th.  So the ebay team told me to file a "did not arrive" on the 21st and they would refund me etc.

Grr.   Now I just need to order the real thing from Amazon.com.    Or is there a better price available legitimately somewhere??


Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: rsjsouza on June 19, 2019, 05:38:17 pm
I think there are a few sellers pricing the unit only at a believable $79. eBay auction: #254060179810
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: Mr. Scram on June 19, 2019, 05:44:02 pm
The good thing is, there's buyer protection through ebay. 
https://pages.ebay.com/ebay-money-back-guarantee/
With people intentionally taking a gamble and ensuring these scammers walk away with a nice chunk of cash, I'd not only say the Buyer's Protection perpetuates the problem but also that these buyers are complicit and should be banned. The problem is distinguishing between the helplessly naieve and bordeline criminal opportunists.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: Mr. Scram on June 19, 2019, 05:46:20 pm
I think there are a few sellers pricing the unit only at a believable $79. eBay auction: #254060179810
A lot of the real units come from Japanese sellers. This item is reported to be located in Japan and the seller is Japanese with a believable price. This one appears legit.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: Bud on June 19, 2019, 05:53:56 pm
I bought a couple tools from Japanese sellers, good deals and good quality items.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: Gregg on June 19, 2019, 07:21:56 pm
The good thing is, there's buyer protection through ebay. 
https://pages.ebay.com/ebay-money-back-guarantee/
With people intentionally taking a gamble and ensuring these scammers walk away with a nice chunk of cash, I'd not only say the Buyer's Protection perpetuates the problem but also that these buyers are complicit and should be banned. The problem is distinguishing between the helplessly naieve and bordeline criminal opportunists.

Ebay would wither away without buyer protection. 

What really needs to happen is for ebay to take charge and develop algorithms that quickly flag known scam tactics by sellers, put a temporary hold on dodgy appearing listings and alert a competent person to investigate.  Things like hidden feedback for sellers is blatantly against ebay’s rule for sellers and a change to making feedback hidden after an item is listed for sale should immediately cause the listing to be put on hold. 
Buyers shouldn’t be banned for attempting to nab a bargain; that is the basic premise for the existence of ebay auctions.  If buyer protection hurts ebay’s profits, then maybe they will sit up and take notice (but that is doubtful for a company run by bean counters that are mainly trying to get away from auctions and convert to “buy it now”).

I purchased my DE-5000 via ebay from a Japanese seller who shipped the genuine device quickly and thanked me for buying.  I have also purchased some Engineer crimpers and pliers from Japan always with great results.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: thm_w on June 19, 2019, 08:20:23 pm
This is the constant risk/inconvenience one encounters on e-Bay. 
...

Typically, funds are withdrawn from your account and placed into the seller PayPal account as you make the payment.  It often takes a few days before seller can transfer the funds they received from their PayPal account into their own bank account.  Given the goods comes from China, even if they actually ship you something, the payment would be settled well before you receive your merchandise.  If you follow their 30 day suggestion, the money is long gone from the PayPal system by the time you file a claim.  Assuming they close their bank account, or hack into someone else's, so they can take their money and run.  In that case, I presume PayPal would end up getting hit with the fraud, and the buyer will eventually get the money back.

If you look at the reviews, you will see some -ve reviews of people who actually got scammed.  They said the seller never respond to messages, send out fake tracking number, and the merchandise never arrived. 

So buyers beware for goods that are too good to be true, do your research before hitting the buy button.

Exactly, someone is making money here. No one cares about "getting your information" of name and address, that is completely worthless.
There are a number of ways they could potentially siphon this money off, not to mention there may be buyers that lose track of the purchase and forget to file a claim.


When this happened with some meters not long ago eBay eventually shut it down and refunded everyone.

IF you file a claim, then yes.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: Mr. Scram on June 19, 2019, 09:43:05 pm
"Nabbing a bargain" isn't the same as willingly participating in a scam. We've seen plenty of threads with people knowing it's almost certainly a scam but still making a purchase "because you never know". If it isn't criminal behaviour it's definitely borderline.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on July 17, 2019, 10:43:33 am
As a end note for me,  i'm now the 270 th person scammed, the supposed bought items is delivered in another country, the tracking number on ebay did not work (nothing moved / no change),   but tacked it thru another epacket website, refund request under way. The seller feedback was made private, and growed day by day up to 270 bad feedbacks.

Saw another DE-5000 sold for 45$ and many other tems for a ridiculous prices,  sent many reports to ebay ...

Lesson finally learned  loll

EDIT :  got refunded
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: e0ne199 on July 17, 2019, 02:19:30 pm
hello, btw i was also the one who ended up buying that scam and i absolutely regretted it... i don't know how rotten ebay can be because it really was my first time buying things at ebay and and the first thing i purchased  was a scam and now i am currently waiting for paypal to refund my money..
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: bitseeker on July 17, 2019, 06:21:19 pm
Yeah, there's been an ongoing wave of scammers the past couple of months. In general, if the price is significantly lower that everyone else, it's a scam. In the case of these scammers, just check what else they're selling. Their inventory is usually all the same or similar price regardless what the item is.

eBay has so much product and behavior data that they should be doing a better job of detecting these scams.
Title: Re: DER EE DE-5000 , counterfeit ?
Post by: coromonadalix on July 17, 2019, 08:33:47 pm
I saw tons of Ebay registrations dating year 2017 and 2018 before they dissapeared,    maybe they used some kind of bots ???