Author Topic: Digital Oscilloscope Chart (Read 899818 times)

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #50 on:** May 29, 2015, 10:32:58 am »

Hi,

I added Changelog (credits) to the first post who helped improved the chart.

Thank you all.

I was thinking to add OWEN and GTATTEN today but almost 8:00pm already so probably I will do it later.
Also I have many suggestions from videobruce to reflect on the chart.

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #51 on:** May 29, 2015, 03:25:38 pm »

I made this chart in old style and lost the chance to upload it.
It might be useful for some one, so I would uploaded it anyway.

GWinstek and IWATSU.

EDIT: I moved the chart to the first page.

ez24 · « **Reply #52 on:** May 29, 2015, 08:50:32 pm »

I would like to see this in the format and placement as the multimeter list

The feature that was the most useful for me was the "filters". I got 2 meters based on the list using the filters

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #53 on:** May 31, 2015, 07:57:18 am »

I did not have much time to work on the chart yesterday, but I added Imperial on the size and the weight, which could be beneficial since most of the datasheets are in Metric.

ralphrmartin · « **Reply #54 on:** May 31, 2015, 12:17:19 pm »

Quote from: fanOfeeDIY on May 24, 2015, 08:59:11 am

I stayed in Australia mostly in Sydney using Working Holiday visa when I was a student long time ago.
It was not every thing perfect, but I enjoyed it, learning Australian English, garbage -> rubbish, gasoline -> petrol, Theater -> Cinema and etc.
Tomato is pronounced as tomato and not tomeito

What do you mean? That's BRITISH English. The Australians use it unlike the Americans who can't even speak properly.

videobruce · « **Reply #55 on:** May 31, 2015, 12:46:46 pm »

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unlike the Americans who can't even speak properly.

At least we don't have an accent.

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #56 on:** June 01, 2015, 08:04:13 am »

I added OWON and GRATTEN (ATTEN),
probably I will work on the columns of links on eevblog next and build quality.

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #57 on:** June 06, 2015, 11:13:08 am »

I added Keysight DSO1002A. I would like to add links in the eevblog (removing the columns of tear down videos) and spec of filters but not sure when.

marmad · « **Reply #58 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:21:12 pm »

Quote from: rf-loop on May 25, 2015, 07:57:48 am

...also Rigol DS2000 do not have time stamp what makes its useability very limited.

Huh? What are you talking about? Of course it does. It displays the starting clock time of the sequence plus the delta offset time for each segment. Perhaps not the handiest method for someone interested in immediately seeing the exact clock time for a particular segment (you have to do the math), but handier for noticing (delta) differences between various triggered segments.

OTOH, the Rigol DS2000 has an extremely handy way to quickly move through the +65k segments it can capture, while the Siglent SDS2000... well, let's just say that the last time I checked, moving through it's +400k segments was excruciating (and so almost worthless). Have they fixed that yet?

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #59 on:** June 13, 2015, 06:55:41 am »

Hi
Added Rohde & Schwarz (HAMEG) to the charts in the first few pages.

videobruce · « **Reply #60 on:** June 13, 2015, 11:44:48 am »

This needs to be a sticky!

Pinkus · « **Reply #61 on:** June 24, 2015, 07:43:48 am »

As this is now sticky the chart might be used for many years. I would suggest
a) add year of market entry of a scope
b) add year of market exit
It helps people to decide how matured a scope is and if it is worth to invest in it or better
You may use the collumn "obsolete" for this. Examples: "2014-" or "2005-2009"

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #62 on:** June 28, 2015, 05:20:59 am »

Thank you Pinkus, I will add them when I make my spare time. I also have some pending suggestions from videobruce.

Gunb · « **Reply #63 on:** July 02, 2015, 06:56:43 am »

Quote from: fanOfeeDIY on June 13, 2015, 06:55:41 am

Hi
Added Rohde & Schwarz (HAMEG) to the charts in the first few pages.

Entry with "Segmented memory - YES" is wrong. The HMO1002 does not have segmented memory, there's also no option available. Only HMO 3xxx do.

Kind rgds
Gunb

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #64 on:** July 05, 2015, 02:13:01 pm »

Thank you for your comment, Gunb!

I just updated the columns for HMO1000 and HMO3000 of Rohde & Schwarz.

ez24 · « **Reply #65 on:** July 05, 2015, 04:19:32 pm »

Addition suggestion :

http://www.amazon.com/Tektronix-TBS1052B-EDU-Oscilloscope-Sampling-Warranty/dp/B00KAKI58Y/ref=lp_2530599011_1_7?srs=2530599011&ie=UTF8&qid=1436111545&sr=8-7

This is a Tektronix for $520

Also suggest move row 2 under row 3. I see the $300 heading above the titles (excel version). Also suggest you put the price range and not just the lowest price. For example $300-$500 instead of just $300, this threw me for a few seconds.

E4 and E5 show cell contents as "rigolna" I see this and the price ??

If looking for more work

how about put in links to the manuals. For my short list this took a little work to do. And the reason I read all the manuals of the ones in my price range is I was looking for I2C decoding and the only one that had anything in the manual was the Rigol 1000 series. Another suggestion include the I2C option in a column, I think this would set many apart from each other (or one of the other options from Rigol based on demand).

Also for digital inputs I would change

N/A MSO...

to

MSO models only

Also when you put in Used Ebay prices be sure to search on SOLD listings (on the left side) to get a more accurate price. For example you have Tek TDS5000 series around $4000. Here are two that sold for about $1700 each

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=HP+3478A&_sop=15&LH_Auction=1&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xtds5000.TRS0&_nkw=tds5000&_sacat=0

Read the description of the second one and see what happened to the seller - scarey for a seller. A buyer ripped the guts out of his scope and mailed it back to him

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #66 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:38:04 am »

Thanks for the suggestions, ez24.

I just only updated the file on the Google drive right now based on your comments.
I will update the JPG and excel files later this week when I make my spare time.

When I started to make this chart, the Bandwidth, Analog inputs and Sample-Rate were relatively easy since they were written on datasheets or brochures on most of the models.
But Waveform Update Rate, Segmented Memory, Intensity Gradings and etc were difficult because I had to go through downloading all the manuals and go through them.
I hoping this chart will be useful for the forum so people do not have to do the same.

The filters, serial/protocol decoding and more links in eevblog are something I would like to add in the future.
But these are the one which are really time consuming, which requires reading all the manuals,
and some times it changes at firmware updates.

I would appreciate comments from the people who knows about them or the owners.

ez24 · « **Reply #67 on:** July 13, 2015, 06:07:01 pm »

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The filters, serial/protocol decoding and more links in eevblog are something I would like to add in the future.

I know, I had to read several manuals myself to find I2C that I could afford.

As a suggestion you could try and ask a question on one model of scope at a time on this blog. Then in your spreadsheet put an "*" in the column heading and at the bottom state that this information came from users of this forum.

Start at the top of your list and work your way down one at a time. I would start a new topic on each one with a link to your spreadsheet and an explanation on what you are doing. If you try under this topic it will get buried. Try one scope every day or so and see what happens. Keep the questions short and simple. Good luck

_Harry_ · « **Reply #68 on:** July 13, 2015, 06:10:01 pm »

@fanOfeeDIY:
Thanks for the charts and the time/effort you've spent for collecting the spec data.

I just came too late on that forum; it would have been much of help for me as I started to search my scope.

Even if it not 100% perfect, it's quite good if one is searching for a scope with certain capabilities. I've made my similar comparison chart last weeks.

Btw.: My winner = Keysight MSOX3024T 200MHz / 5GSa/s 4ACH+16DigitalCH (SW bundle promotion till 30 Nov. 2015)

(the 3022T/3024T could also be good for you chart, as they are 200MHz "entry level" BW models of the infiniiVision 3000 X series)

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #69 on:** July 19, 2015, 01:58:57 pm »

Hi videobruce and ez24,

It is not finished but I updated the excel file and JPG on the first post.

ez24:
I will start asking in the forum for adding serial/protocol decoding feature and etc when I finish updating the excel file.
thanks for the suggestions.

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #70 on:** July 20, 2015, 12:52:59 pm »

Hi,

I started to add a column for Serial Protocol Decoding feature for the models, but I need the help from the people in the forum to fill out the blanks.
Please add if you know which Serial Analysis the model supports, to the file on the Google drive or past them in this thread.

tautech · « **Reply #71 on:** July 20, 2015, 12:59:13 pm »

Siglent SDS2000 series:
I²C, SPI, UART/RS232, CAN and LIN

bitseeker · « **Reply #72 on:** July 21, 2015, 10:04:02 pm »

Thanks for the comparison data. Very helpful.

ez24 · « **Reply #73 on:** July 22, 2015, 12:56:15 am »

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I started to add a column for Serial Protocol Decoding feature for the models, but I need the help from the people in the forum to fill out the blanks.

I suggest that you start a new post on each model of each brand. Say what you are doing and include a link to the spreadsheet and this thread. I do not think you will get much response otherwise.

I can say the Rigol DS1054z has serial decoding as an option.

To keep it simpler you could just say "Serial" instead of all the types. If someone was interested they could do their own research to which kind of protocol. That is the way I found the Rigol. I downloaded all the manuals for scopes under $400 and looked in the index for the word "serial". The Rigol was the only one that had that word in their index. So if you have to do this research, try this method.

fanOfeeDIY · « **Reply #74 on:** July 22, 2015, 03:07:23 am »

Thank you tautech,

I updated the file in Google drive for the Siglent SDS2000 series.
I will reflect them when I regenerate JPG and excel next time.


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