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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2950 on: November 25, 2021, 10:03:33 am »
The official stance is that if something comes in modified the warranty doesn't hold. You also might think about a DSOX1204A/G over the DSOX2004A?

I briefly read about DSOX1204A days ago when comparing many scopes in order to narrowing the selection.
My conclusion was that Keysight is trying to be part of the low-price scopes segment.
I have used many scopes brand in my job and I my preference is for Keysight even if there are many cheaper brands around.
I would not want DSOX1204A to be too cheap a product for a brand like Keysight and then you would pay for the name but not for the quality.
If I wanted to spend less I probably would choose Rigol. This is my opinion.
Have you had a chance to work with any DSO1200? What was your impression?

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2951 on: November 26, 2021, 05:12:52 pm »
I'm slightly undecided between DSOX2004A and DSOX3014A. The budget allows me to get to the DSOX3014A even if my actual needs can be covered with the DSOX2004A.
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In regards to the DSOX3014A... In your talking about the warranty, it sounds like you're considering purchasing new.

The "A" version has been out for quite a long time, and hasn't received any significant functionality software upgrades in years.  In fact, although you can still buy it, it's not even listed anymore on Keysight's oscilloscope page.

If you want to purchase a scope in the 3000 series, you should look more closely at the "T" version, namely the DSO3014T.  It's even slightly cheaper; DSOX3014A @ US$4,980 vs. DSOX3014T @ US$4,838, and has more features (like FRA).
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2952 on: November 26, 2021, 10:05:50 pm »
In regards to the DSOX3014A... In your talking about the warranty, it sounds like you're considering purchasing new.
Yes, I'm mainly focused on a new one.
I also consider the used ones but at the moment I have no trusty enough sources where to buy this model.

The "A" version has been out for quite a long time, and hasn't received any significant functionality software upgrades in years.  In fact, although you can still buy it, it's not even listed anymore on Keysight's oscilloscope page.
Good observation, thanks

If you want to purchase a scope in the 3000 series, you should look more closely at the "T" version, namely the DSO3014T.  It's even slightly cheaper; DSOX3014A @ US$4,980 vs. DSOX3014T @ US$4,838, and has more features (like FRA).
I had considered the "T" version and read the dedicate thread here on eevblog. There are different points of view about it.
Some of them match with mine: touchsceen added just to bring some modern look to an old model scope but not as essential as for a scope born with the touchscreen.
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2953 on: November 28, 2021, 10:37:03 am »
Hi all. I was about to buy a Siglent SDS2000x plus series, but then I found this thread. I used to use one of these scopes (an MSOX3054) at work and love it. I just didn't think I could afford an MSOX AND the options I need. But now I'm considering buying an MSOX/DSOX 30x4 for as cheap as I can, and then doing the "upgrades." Before I spend those $$$k, I'd just like to confirm here...

1)My understanding from what I've read is that upgrading is as simple as doing a standard firmware update via USB stick, but using PhillyFlyers patched firmware. And maybe some command line stuff to enable options, but it looks pretty easy and straightforward correct? i.e.:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/dsox2000-and-3000-series-licence-have-anyone-tried-to-hack-that-scope/msg3562918/#msg3562918

2)Before I make a purchase, are there any major gotchas I should know about that I might have missed by not reading all of this massive amount of posts (models that don't work to upgrade etc.)?


Glad I found this thread, good work, and Thanks!

EDIT: I just found this regarding hardware based bandwidth upgrade limitations:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/dsox2000-and-3000-series-licence-have-anyone-tried-to-hack-that-scope/msg3434410/#msg3434410
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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2954 on: December 01, 2021, 06:21:12 am »
Are there other limitations besides bandwidth to be aware of when "upgrading"?
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2955 on: December 02, 2021, 11:31:36 am »
I just bought my first Keysight and it is being shipped (snail post). But it is an old Agilent MSOX3104A, thinking that the main difference is the touch screen functionality that I certainly could do without.

Have follwed this complete thread and love it. But only saw this recent post now and I am afraid I have bought an old 'A' that will limit me given that the most recent firmware for it is years old. Is PhillyFlyers fw only working on the 'T' version?
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2957 on: December 03, 2021, 12:21:37 pm »
Super helpful!! Thanks. I had seen that part of the thread, but never paid attention to 7.40 vs 2.65

Turns out I 'won' two auctions. So will have two 3014A's. One is airfreight, so shouldn't be too long. Can't wait.

Any risk for NAND errors after the upgrade to 2.65?
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2958 on: December 03, 2021, 01:27:02 pm »
Turns out I 'won' two auctions. So will have two 3014A's.

How much did you spent for one of them?
 

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« Reply #2959 on: December 03, 2021, 03:44:41 pm »
Super helpful!! Thanks. I had seen that part of the thread, but never paid attention to 7.40 vs 2.65

Turns out I 'won' two auctions. So will have two 3014A's. One is airfreight, so shouldn't be too long. Can't wait.

Any risk for NAND errors after the upgrade to 2.65?

Very very minimal, not enough to be concerned about.
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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2960 on: December 03, 2021, 10:09:58 pm »
Thanks!!

As for prices:
2015 Agilent MSO 3014A, with logic probe: $2k
2018 MSO 3104A, unused (!), logic and 4 probes is sealed bags still: $3k

Correction: 3014 models (100MHz)
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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2961 on: December 03, 2021, 11:28:28 pm »
I saw the first one at Ebay too. I don't think the $2,000 figure should be left alone. You need to add $178 shipping and $564 non refundable/reclaimable import charges (the well known Ebay/Pitney Bowes scam) and you still have no probes. Four Agilents/Keysight N2863a probes will add another $300 (if you are lucky), probably more like $400 including shipping, thus the final price is >$3000.
The second one (also a DSOX3014a) sounds like a better deal as almost unused, but here probably also shipping adds and -if from Ebay- the usual import fee scam.
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2962 on: December 04, 2021, 04:09:36 pm »
Not sure what you are trying to say.
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2963 on: December 04, 2021, 05:08:45 pm »
Not sure what you are trying to say.

That you overpaid, but trying not to sound like a hypocrite  8)
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2964 on: December 04, 2021, 09:56:01 pm »
Ahh, making it personal…
Calculation dor first is incorrect. Shipping and duties on second zero.

Of course many do not like the price. Otherwise I could not have bought it.

I am just an (import duty exempt) enthusiast. Answering the question.
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2965 on: December 18, 2021, 09:49:21 pm »
Just managed to get to the end of this interesting thread. Some questions if I may, and to recap..

In the beginning, people downloaded the official firmware from Keysight that matched what was already loaded onto their scopes and manually hacked it with a hex editor. Modified files were placed on a FAT16 USB flash drive and the scope was booted from this drive. A warning message was displayed on screen about tampered files, but after clearing this the scope booted and loaded the options you hacked into the firmware. This hack had the advantage that files on the scope itself were not modified, and if you wanted to revert to the stock scope, you just unplugged the USB drive and rebooted. A big plus for those running new scopes, given Keysight have said they'll invalidate the warranty of any scope that's been tampered with.

Then Keysight started releasing firmware updates that would no longer boot from a flash drive (they read these forums too). Forum member PhillyFliers then very kindly released official Keysight firmware that was pre-hacked and could be used to modify the scope. Download links and instructions can be found below post 2603 and onwards. If you read the instructions, they seem to modify software on the scope itself. Keysight have also changed the telnet login, but there's a python script that runs over Ethernet to overcome this obstacle.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/dsox2000-and-3000-series-licence-have-anyone-tried-to-hack-that-scope/2600/

My questions are:
1. Is it possible to get the firmware from PhillyFliers to run from a USB flash drive (avoiding mods to the scope itself), or is this window now closed?
2. Does the firmware from PhillyFliers give the error message at start-up that has to be cleared, or does the scope boot without warnings?

Thanks.
 
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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2966 on: December 20, 2021, 10:59:32 pm »
I can't answer your question.
But I did want to publicly say how helpful your recap was for those of us that are software challenged. :)
Thanks for doing that.
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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2967 on: December 20, 2021, 11:38:24 pm »
Jusf run an official firmware update and all your "firmware modification on the scope" will be overwritten. I am not sure what your concern is....
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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2968 on: December 21, 2021, 01:14:40 am »

My questions are:
1. Is it possible to get the firmware from PhillyFliers to run from a USB flash drive (avoiding mods to the scope itself), or is this window now closed?
2. Does the firmware from PhillyFliers give the error message at start-up that has to be cleared, or does the scope boot without warnings?

Thanks.
1.It is possible to get the firmware from PhillyFliers to run from a USB flash drive.
2.PhillyFliers firmware do not give the error message.He patched firmwares perfect.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2021, 09:38:51 pm by wp_wp »
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2969 on: December 21, 2021, 05:41:00 am »
So why dont you share with us the new technology. Make your contribution to the thread.
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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2970 on: December 29, 2021, 10:15:08 am »
I've been using a DSOX2014A I upgraded around version 2.41.  Yesterday upgraded using the Safar method to 2.43 to get the PLUS+ stuff.

Now it seems like I'm missing an info screen that overlaid statistics I regularly used.
This is what it used to look like:


The Statistics button is missing from the bottom right so no overlay.  Is this maybe the problem with to long a script?  I used;
211#infiniivisionLauncher.exe -l MSO -l MEMUP -l EMBD -l AUTO -l FLEX -l PWR -l COMP -l SGM -l MASK -l BW20 -l AUDIO -l WAVEGEN -l AERO -l VID -l ADVMATH -l ASV -l SCPIPS -l RML -l VID -l CABLE -l DIS -l TOM -l SGMC

Screenshot from this thread way earlier. In relation to the --perf option that I like. But apart from that, how could I have a white background for scope screenshots? I only managed to get the black background (via usb-stick).
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2971 on: December 29, 2021, 10:37:09 am »
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how could I have a white background for scope screenshots?

There's an option to switch to negative video when you connect via a browser (over the network).
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2972 on: December 29, 2021, 10:43:07 am »
That explains!! Will try to upgrade with a LAN card then. Really do not like the black screenshots and also started to hate using an usb stick for it.
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2973 on: December 29, 2021, 11:26:55 am »
That explains!! Will try to upgrade with a LAN card then. Really do not like the black screenshots and also started to hate using an usb stick for it.

In file save menu when setting file format there is setting submenu where you can set palette when saving to USB..

It is a shame Keysight never made possible to map network drive from a scope. It has stupid print to network printer that is something I never used (usually you paste image into some document first) but no mapping to network drive so we don't have to use stupid USB for everything
 

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Re: DSOX2000 and 3000 series - licence , have anyone tried to hack that scope ?
« Reply #2974 on: December 29, 2021, 03:21:11 pm »
Tx. It was the “Invert Grat” option and then save to USB under the menu as you said. Solved that issue.

Fully agree on the latter point. Makes me even think of creating a network printer that saves to file.
 


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