SIGLENT SDS1102X-C, supported languages issue

[Othman]

No need to do this step. You just need to overwrite with the appropriate file (attached by me in a previous msg). The .cfg are the same for all scopes in the same situation.  Make sure you rename the intended file to "sys_cfg.cfg" before overwriting, and sync.

i thought the CFG of SDS1202X-C model  might be different from the SDS1102X-C. thanks for clarification.

[alexkg]

5- share this file with "TV84" to do the magic job then you will replace the file with the new one that might "TV84" offer you.

No need to do this step. You just need to overwrite with the appropriate file (attached by me in a previous msg). The .cfg are the same for all scopes in the same situation.  Make sure you rename the intended file to "sys_cfg.cfg" before overwriting, and sync.

Do you need to overwrite the configuration file by executing commands in telnet? that is, connect to the device via telnet and give a command to replace the file?
or can this be done from a flash drive in the oscilloscope menu?

[tv84]

Do you need to overwrite the configuration file by executing commands in telnet? that is, connect to the device via telnet and give a command to replace the file?
or can this be done from a flash drive in the oscilloscope menu?

Yes. So, it's better for you to ask for someone who knows linux to help you with hands-on.

[alexkg]

I asked my friend to help me, he is familiar with Linux.
There was a problem, when connecting to the device via Telnet, only port 23 is available. 9999 port is not available at all. When downgrading the firmware, as advised by Othman, port 9999 is still unavailable.
How else can I access the device?
are root correct? :
username is "root"
the password is "siglent_sds1000x_e"

[tv84]

Use port 23 (default telnet port). 

[Othman]

dear alexkg have you managed to transform your scope? may i can ask you to share here the Acquisition mode menu of your scope, this is a submenu of the acquire menu. i think my scope miss the High Resolution option, can you confirm that with your scope!

[tautech]

dear alexkg have you managed to transform your scope? may i can ask you to share here the Acquisition mode menu of your scope, this is a submenu of the acquire menu. i think my scope miss the High Resolution option, can you confirm that with your scope!

Correct.
To be equivalent to SDS1202X-E it needs the ERES menu.

[rf-loop]

dear alexkg have you managed to transform your scope? may i can ask you to share here the Acquisition mode menu of your scope, this is a submenu of the acquire menu. i think my scope miss the High Resolution option, can you confirm that with your scope!

Correct.
To be equivalent to SDS1202X-E it needs the ERES menu.

Yeah.
The SDS1202X-C is not the Chinese version of the SDS1202X-E, not at all even it looks outside like it.
It's a bit different. It is also an "web shops only" model series and only for the Chinese domestic market. That model is also clearly slower than the X-E series what is also told in data sheet. Well, when you stretch a penny, you get a stretched penny.

Same for all these models:
SDS1104X-C 100 MHz
SDS1204X-C 200MHz
SDS1102X-C 100 MHz
SDS1202X-C 200MHz

[alexkg]

dear alexkg have you managed to transform your scope? may i can ask you to share here the Acquisition mode menu of your scope, this is a submenu of the acquire menu. i think my scope miss the High Resolution option, can you confirm that with your scope!

Unfortunately, I don’t have the opportunity to deal with this device now, most of the time there is no electricity, it appears for a couple of hours.  There is a war going on in my country.  As soon as the results appear, I will share them.

[alexkg]

dear alexkg have you managed to transform your scope? may i can ask you to share here the Acquisition mode menu of your scope, this is a submenu of the acquire menu. i think my scope miss the High Resolution option, can you confirm that with your scope!

Correct.
To be equivalent to SDS1202X-E it needs the ERES menu.

Yeah.
The SDS1202X-C is not the Chinese version of the SDS1202X-E, not at all even it looks outside like it.
It's a bit different. It is also an "web shops only" model series and only for the Chinese domestic market. That model is also clearly slower than the X-E series what is also told in data sheet. Well, when you stretch a penny, you get a stretched penny.

Same for all these models:
SDS1104X-C 100 MHz
SDS1204X-C 200MHz
SDS1102X-C 100 MHz
SDS1202X-C 200MHz

I want to ask you to bring this data here, the difference in technical characteristics.  Unfortunately, I did not find a difference in technical characteristics between the X-E and X-C versions.  Externally, the devices are one to one, the difference is only in the name of the models we will be grateful if you share the information that you found, where it is said that the model for the domestic market is slower than the one that is exported.

[tautech]

The SDS1202X-C is not the Chinese version of the SDS1202X-E, not at all even it looks outside like it.
It's a bit different. It is also an "web shops only" model series and only for the Chinese domestic market. That model is also clearly slower than the X-E series what is also told in data sheet.

I want to ask you to bring this data here, the difference in technical characteristics.  Unfortunately, I did not find a difference in technical characteristics between the X-E and X-C versions.  Externally, the devices are one to one, the difference is only in the name of the models we will be grateful if you share the information that you found, where it is said that the model for the domestic market is slower than the one that is exported.

In WFPS which is an indication of system speed.
Sequence mode (fastest)
SDS1202X-C = 200k
SDS1202X-E = 400k
https://www.siglent.com/upload_file/document/SDS1000X-C_DataSheet_DS0101E-C04A.pdf
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SDS1000X-E_DataSheet_EN04D.pdf

We also see the 400k spec in 4ch models, SDS11/1204X-E and SDS1104X-U.

There are always small differences between China only and western market models.
China sellers that export China only models are asking for big trouble if Siglent finds which of them sold it.

[rf-loop]

dear alexkg have you managed to transform your scope? may i can ask you to share here the Acquisition mode menu of your scope, this is a submenu of the acquire menu. i think my scope miss the High Resolution option, can you confirm that with your scope!

Correct.
To be equivalent to SDS1202X-E it needs the ERES menu.

Yeah.
The SDS1202X-C is not the Chinese version of the SDS1202X-E, not at all even it looks outside like it.
It's a bit different. It is also an "web shops only" model series and only for the Chinese domestic market. That model is also clearly slower than the X-E series what is also told in data sheet. Well, when you stretch a penny, you get a stretched penny.

Same for all these models:
SDS1104X-C 100 MHz
SDS1204X-C 200MHz
SDS1102X-C 100 MHz
SDS1202X-C 200MHz

I want to ask you to bring this data here, the difference in technical characteristics.  Unfortunately, I did not find a difference in technical characteristics between the X-E and X-C versions.  Externally, the devices are one to one, the difference is only in the name of the models we will be grateful if you share the information that you found, where it is said that the model for the domestic market is slower than the one that is exported.

It is not so that same model in China domestic market and Exported officially is different. Example SDS1104X-E in China domestic market area is perfectly same as SDS1104X-E  Exported officially (only different is example power cord depending target area etc but oscilloscope itself is just same.
Do you have any idea why they then manufacture SDS1104X-C model if itv is perfectly same. Do you may be think they are idiots. Only for different model sticker.
This whole X-C serie IS different even when it use same exterior. Also, it is made only for China domestic area web shops and NOT officially available for Export. Siglent official web side do not even give domestic CNY price for these inside China web shop models but all normal models have there MSRP and currency CNY for China domestic markets. But special "el cheapo" web shop models have not.

One example is analog front end what is different. Look three voltage bands change level.
C 500μV  ~ 150mV: ±2V,  E 500μV ~ 118mV:   ±2V
C 152mV  ~ 1.5V: ±20V,  E 120mV ~ 1.18V:  ±20V
C 1.52V  ~ 10V: ±200V,  E 1.2V  ~   10V: ±200V
This mean there is some real reason for this difference even when difference is not so big in these values.

Also wfm/s speed is different
Normal  acquisition  C model up to  50kwfm/s, Sequence acquisition up to 200kwfm/s
Normal  acquisition  E model up to 100kwfm/s, Sequence acquisition up to 400kwfm/s


AC low freq. -3dB   C model 10Hz  E model 2Hz

DC offset accuracy is better in E model when ≥2mV/div

In 2 channel models C and E series Ext trigger some differences (freq limits)

Also I can not find Gated measurements when I look C models data sheet or user manual.

Then I can notfind Counter, sample logger and data logger function in 4 channel C model but in 4 channel E model there sure is. Also not NTP function.

[tautech]

Yes but we are talking about 2ch C model not 4ch.
There is already enough confusion with Siglent's alphabet soup of models even in the X-E range and the inconsistency of feature set in this model range/series.
Just compare SDS1202X-E with SDS11/1204X-E then drop in SDS2000X-E....it's a mess whereas they scream for some consistency of features. 

They each have their place but it could be so much better.
****X-C models are just what they are, designed and built to a specific price point.

[rf-loop]

Yes but we are talking about 2ch C model not 4ch.
There is already enough confusion with Siglent's alphabet soup of models even in the X-E range and the inconsistency of feature set in this model range/series.
Just compare SDS1202X-E with SDS11/1204X-E then drop in SDS2000X-E....it's a mess whereas they scream for some consistency of features. 

They each have their place but it could be so much better.
****X-C models are just what they are, designed and built to a specific price point.

Why I include both, 2 and 4 channel models.
Because SDS1000X-C  whole serie is elcheapo versions from whole SDS1000X-E  series including 2 channels and 4 channel models.
And differences are in both, 2 and 4 channel models. Then, as we know, inside E series between 2 and 4 channels are many differences and inside E series between 2 and 4 channels are many differences.
2ch C is different from 2ch E
4ch C is different from 4ch E  (and in my previous message I noted also these differences in 4 channel versions group.)

This was for argumenting that whole C series is different (of course I see that in this particular case talking was just about 2ch model), not only 2 channel versions. And all C versions are _only_ for China markets, not for Export. Lets hope Siglent do what they need do before whole mess. Stretch penny and you get stretched penny. Outside China here is not any warranty or other product support for these models and must not be, except some kind individual citizen people may help.

[tautech]

And all C versions are _only_ for China markets, not for Export. Lets hope Siglent do what they need do before whole mess. Also there is not Stretch penny and you get stretched penny. Outside China here is not any support for these models and must not be.

100%
Further, Siglent penalties to China exporters are severe as we discovered when reporting a SDS2074X Plus exported to NZ.

Which is very reassuring that Siglent want to protect their worldwide distribution network from their China sellers export of China only models.

[rf-loop]

And all C versions are _only_ for China markets, not for Export. Lets hope Siglent do what they need do before whole mess. Also there is not Stretch penny and you get stretched penny. Outside China here is not any support for these models and must not be.

100%
Further, Siglent penalties to China exporters are severe as we discovered when reporting a SDS2074X Plus exported to NZ.

Which is very reassuring that Siglent want to protect their worldwide distribution network from their China sellers export of China only models.

Siglent is a listed company (Shanghai 688112:SHH) whose purpose is to generate profit for shareholders. It is not an aid organization.

"Siglent wants to protect its global distribution network from Chinese sellers who only export models made in China" 
Right!

Everyone wants to protect themselves and their business and this is one extremely important thing in that. We cannot change the fact that China's domestic market is completely different from the foreign market of a Chinese company. They don't work the same way. Therefore, these two "worlds" should not be mixed without harmonized rules of the game.

Of course, when I know China to some extent, I can understand these merchants from some perspective, but understanding and accepting are two different things. Be that as it may, many of them are just supporting their families. But, it should be done in acceptable ways.

[tautech]

And all C versions are _only_ for China markets, not for Export. Lets hope Siglent do what they need do before whole mess. Also there is not Stretch penny and you get stretched penny. Outside China here is not any support for these models and must not be.

100%
Further, Siglent penalties to China exporters are severe as we discovered when reporting a SDS2074X Plus exported to NZ.

Which is very reassuring that Siglent want to protect their worldwide distribution network from their China sellers export of China only models.

Siglent is a listed company (Shanghai 688112:SHH) whose purpose is to generate profit for shareholders. It is not an aid organization.

"Siglent wants to protect its global distribution network from Chinese sellers who only export models made in China" 
Right!

Everyone wants to protect themselves and their business and this is one extremely important thing in that. We cannot change the fact that China's domestic market is completely different from the foreign market of a Chinese company. They don't work the same way. Therefore, these two "worlds" should not be mixed without harmonized rules of the game.

Of course, when I know China to some extent, I can understand these merchants from some perspective, but understanding and accepting are two different things. Be that as it may, many of them are just supporting their families. But, it should be done in acceptable ways.

Will share some info by private email.

[Othman]

Also wfm/s speed is different
Normal  acquisition  C model up to  50kwfm/s, Sequence acquisition up to 200kwfm/s
Normal  acquisition  E model up to 100kwfm/s, Sequence acquisition up to 400kwfm/s

in your opinion what is the potential hardware difference between the X-C and X-E model that might lead to this specification difference?

[tv84]

R303

[Othman]

R303

Is This a resistor in the pcb ?

[Othman]

new update about SDS1102X-C scope.
i tried to measure the waveform update rate for the chinese version of SDS1102X scope. i used the built-in frequency counter of my HDS242S scope, i've got arround 85Kwfm/s peak and 80Kwfm/s in average, here a photo for the resulte.

[alexkg]

Hello dear!  I ask you to help me reflash my device, my friend did not succeed.  Please write a step-by-step instruction with full instructions for replacing the firmware.  If it is convenient for you, my email is alexkg@ukr.net.

[tv84]

Remount as RW.

[tv84]

Don't be greedy. Remount only /usr/bin/siglent.