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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2775 on: August 05, 2016, 02:32:45 am »
Re. The new DS/MSO2000/A/-S Firmware (00.03.05.00.01) {July 25, 2016} and the provided Release Notes with it.

1. The PDF file version is not applicable to the new Firmware.  So why did Rigol provide it?  Who knows!
2. The Text file version (provided in the ZIP file) is valid, except that it should have stated that  FW 00.03.05.00.01 is for 'All the DS/MSO2000/A/-S Series Digital Oscilloscopes', and 'Not just the DS/MSO2000A Series'.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2776 on: August 05, 2016, 03:48:20 am »
Haven't used my DS2072 in a while but I might upgrade to this firmware.. skipped the last few due to bugs.
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2777 on: August 05, 2016, 05:33:40 pm »
About my last post.
-After 3 years waitinf for a good update, i put my DS2202 in the oblivion room.

Because:
- Knobs are very imprecise and slow.
- Sometimes trigger doesnt work.
- When i turn it on most of the times show full screen noise and hangs, sometimes just hungs.
- Sometimes it just does not turn on.

After starting most of the time it is working ok, anyway i don´t feel confortable using it.

I like the idea to donate it, here in my country there are a lot of peopple that can need it.

Thanks for your comments.

 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2778 on: August 05, 2016, 05:46:39 pm »
About my last post.
-After 3 years waitinf for a good update, i put my DS2202 in the oblivion room.

Because:
- Knobs are very imprecise and slow.
- Sometimes trigger doesnt work.
- When i turn it on most of the times show full screen noise and hangs, sometimes just hungs.
- Sometimes it just does not turn on.

After starting most of the time it is working ok, anyway i don´t feel confortable using it.

I like the idea to donate it, here in my country there are a lot of peopple that can need it.

Thanks for your comments.
I had issues with my DS2000 when I first got it due to firmware bugs.. mainly the hanging. But I had settled on the 03_03_02 which has worked well for me.. I have not gotten a single hang with it.

Ergonomically speaking you're right.. it's not the easiest scope to use.. it can be sluggish and the knobs aren't the best. However for $800 how much I paid for it, it's par for the course. It does the job.. and it's a fairly capable scope. I think this is common with all the Chinese B-Brand scopes.. some are even worse.

My main scope has been the RTM 1054 (which is awesome) for almost a year now so I haven't really needed to use my DS2000 ever since I got my RTM.

Thought about selling it, but it's a decent enough secondary scope for when I need to take it to a meet up.. or when I need more channels than what RTM can provide.. so I've decided to keep it.
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2779 on: August 05, 2016, 05:50:39 pm »
Because:
- Knobs are very imprecise and slow.
- Sometimes trigger doesnt work.
- When i turn it on most of the times show full screen noise and hangs, sometimes just hungs.
- Sometimes it just does not turn on.

It sounds like your DSO didn't work properly (or stopped working properly). Aside from the occasional imprecision of the knobs (which I've also experienced on other Chinese brands), I haven't had any of those problems with my DS2000.
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2780 on: August 25, 2016, 07:00:07 am »
Does anybody know if Rigol will built in the nice 16K based FFT option that was introduced in the DS1000Z series to offer better resolution than the current screen based version ?
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2781 on: August 25, 2016, 04:15:55 pm »
Doesn't seem like it. They released a new firmware for the DS2000 series a month ago with no changes to the FFT. The enhancement on the DS1000Z was sometime end of last year or beginning of this year so Rigol would have had plenty of time to try and get it in the DS2000 firmware they released last month if they were going to.
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2782 on: September 18, 2016, 11:43:22 pm »
guys, I'm having an issue here.  I bought a ds2072, a long time ago, and I remember doing the "change the trial timeout dates to never expire" for the features hack in the early days.  I since almost forgot I even had this scope because of other options available to me, but just recently found it and pulled it out and blew the dust off and checked the latest states of hacks and saw there was a super keygen out.  I just used the keygen tool and entered the key and got the "option installed!" just fine.  Went to reboot and it is stuck on the Rigol boot splash with the squares with the blue "working" square that shows progress and the blue dot stops at some point and it just sits....

Did I do something bad here?  Was there conflict with these methods that casued me a problem? Below is the a screenshot I took back when I did the trial date hack, I never updated the firmware or anything since then. so it should have all been the same.

broke out into a cold sweat when this happened, but thought I'd jump on here and ask the experts, since I have a big gap of time missing on all the steps that happened from the trial hack to now the keygen....

any tips on next steps to take? :-\ :'(

Thanks Marmad, I just saw there was a trick to show the detailed info... so here's that, i thought for some reason i had super old firmware version that possibly didn't show the detailed stuff.  I'll carefully read over your great info.  thanks for all your hard work, tried out your software really quick and it looks awesome so far.


 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2783 on: September 18, 2016, 11:53:47 pm »
Did I do something bad here?  Was there conflict with these methods that casued me a problem? Below is the a screenshot I took back when I did the trial date hack, I never updated the firmware or anything since then. so it should have all been the same.

broke out into a cold sweat when this happened, but thought I'd jump on here and ask the experts, since I have a big gap of time missing on all the steps that happened from the trial hack to now the keygen....

You definitely should upgrade the FW to v3 or later - there are many new features and fixed bugs, and it's even possible the keys were changed since the first version of the FW (which is what your DSO is running in the image). I'd upgrade the FW and clear the FRAM on the first boot-up (instructions on page 1 of this thread), and then reuse the keygen, if needed.

But don't worry - the DSO has a boot-loader and it's virtually impossible to brick it.  :)
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2784 on: September 19, 2016, 12:09:55 am »
ok, so I did the factory reset grey button during boot up and it booted back up.  the version info is all the same except now it's showing model 2202 and my serial num is showing DS2A0000000001.  When I go to look at installed options its greyed out.

so the best course of action would be to just upgrade to v3 firmware and then if needed reapply the keygen?  Does the serial being 0'd out matter?

edit: uh hate to ask tihs noob question, but is the 2000a fimrware compatible with the 2000 (non-a)? also, I just went to rigol's site to look for the firmware options, am I taking crazy pills, it keeps pushing me to a form to enter all my contact info to request firmware...?

edit 2: found this one off page searching google, http://beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com/acton/fs/blocks/showLandingPage/a/1579/p/p-001a/t/page/fm/0  has ver 00.03.03.01, I assume this is legit?

edit 3: okay, i guess I learned digging around there's no difference between the ds2000/ds2000a in terms of firmware, updated with the firmware at that link and it is actually showing 3.05.  Re-did the keygen with my now defaulted serial number, and I'm right as rain. 

Thanks
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2785 on: December 22, 2016, 02:33:58 pm »
I tried your (bonanz's) procedure with the latest firmware 00.03.05.     I also have the same problem with serial number DS2A0000000001 on my DS2072A. 

However in my case I needed to do a full 32MB memory dump for rigup 0.4 to find any keys. 
But with the keys Rigup finds, it cant seem to generate codes.    In fact the executable consistently just crashes.  ( I have tried both windows and linux)
I suspect it has something to do with further broken/incorrect data in my RAM dump. 

I'd like to try it against someone else's dump.   Is there anyone willing to share a full memory dump with me? 
If there is anyone who can offer some ideas on how to restore serial number, it would also be much appreciated.

Thanks!

EDIT 1:   SUCCESS!!
 So in reviewing the output of "rigup.exe scan SCPI-Data.scpi" I just realised that the executable returns RC5KEY1,RC5KEY2,XXTEAKEY,PUBKEY,PRIVKEY  but the SERIAL field is missing in my case.  That's what was causing the RIGUP LICENSE command to fail.     So for me it turns out the solution was as simple as to add a line to my keys file:

   SERIAL:         DS2A0000000001

So steps were to :
1. run .\rigup.exe scan SCPI-Data.scpi > EC-keys.txt
2. add the SERIAL line above
3. run .\rigup.exe license ./EC-keys.txt NS8H

And presto that worked.

Still if anyone knows how to restore the correct serial number I'd much like to know.   


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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2786 on: January 05, 2017, 04:51:20 pm »
It might be a silly question, but whatever i did, I couldn't figure out how to measure pulse counts of a signal within specified courses. My cheap DS1000Z does it easily, but on DS2000z, i'm screwed.

Any suggestion?
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2787 on: January 05, 2017, 05:12:43 pm »
The 1000Z also doesn't count pulses, it only counts pluses... :-DD
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2788 on: January 05, 2017, 06:08:43 pm »
Bummer...

I cannot believe this. For a second I thought, it doesn't have the ability to measure pulses, but wondered no way, all cheap scopes have this measurement. Surely this one has too.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2789 on: January 05, 2017, 06:14:14 pm »

The 1000Z also doesn't count pulses, it only counts pluses... :-DD


Hahaha, took a minute to got your point. I think in the last firmware they have fixed the spelling. Not sure, too busy to double check that.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2790 on: February 03, 2017, 12:27:36 pm »
I couldn't find the maximum input voltage in 50ohm input impedance mode and the manual says CAT I 300 Vrms, CAT II 100 Vrms with Transient Overvoltage 1000 Vpk only in 1M ohm impedance mode.

Does anyone know the proper input protection figures?
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2791 on: February 03, 2017, 12:32:13 pm »
I couldn't find the maximum input voltage in 50ohm input impedance mode and the manual says CAT I 300 Vrms, CAT II 100 Vrms with Transient Overvoltage 1000 Vpk only in 1M ohm impedance mode.

Does anyone know the proper input protection figures?
Are you sure it's not listed on the front panel alongside the BNC inputs ?
Normally in 50 \$\Omega\$ input mode max voltage is only 5V, so take care or you'll damage the inputs.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2792 on: February 03, 2017, 08:42:34 pm »
Ooops!! Yes, i looked everywhere but the writings next to the BNCs  :palm:

Well, i was trying to find a proper attenuator for measurement and I knew the common 5V limitation, however I had doubts about it and well... Thanks :)

Still, it's not been mentioned in the manual  :blah:
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2793 on: February 03, 2017, 08:46:23 pm »
Ooops!! Yes, i looked everywhere but the writings next to the BNCs  :palm:

Well, i was trying to find a proper attenuator for measurement and I knew the common 5V limitation, however I had doubts about it and well... Thanks :)

Still, it's not been mentioned in the manual  :blah:
The manual supplied or their latest from their website ?
There might be a later revision online so it might be a good idea to check.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2794 on: February 10, 2017, 10:19:43 pm »
I finally bought a ds2072a after months of browsing among a bunch of imperfect choices. Siglent and instek were also very interesting for the price. I'm a bit worried the ds2000a series is getting old and they're probably coming out with a new model soon, but on the other hand I'm not buying a brand new chinese scope then wait years for bug fixes, and hope for a hack too. Life is full of compromises.

I guess it's basically my first real DSO, the first building block for my brand new home electronics lab. The last serious scope I used was over 20 years ago at school (we used mostly HP 54600A and a bunch of analog Tek),  and the only scope I owned for myself was a BK 1471B, which I used for my first job, some dotcom startup, then moved on to programming jobs. Now I'm slowly coming back into the hobby with a bit more time on my hands, and a budget for useful equipment.

Big thanks to everyone making the hack possible! :-+ It worked fine with mine, the only issue was that I had to use rigup 0.4 (0.4.2 didn't work).
Firmware: 00.03.04.02.01
Hardware : 2.3

Edit: Updated to 03.05, worked fine. There's a small bug with X/Y, if you scale down to 500uV and back up, it misses one step until you refresh it (either with run/stop, or touching any of the channel options which makes it refresh it correctly).

Also, I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere: DS1000 and DS2000 started bundling the new PVP2350 probes, while the RP3300A is discontinued. The new specs are interesting, it's 35MHz at 1x which should makes it really useful for measuring power supply noise. Only 10pf at 10x so it doesn't look compromised there either. However the compensation pot is on the probe, I wonder if that will cause issues, or if there might be a compromise at 10x in the design to allow the surprisingly high BW at 1x. I thought the high frequency probes always had to put it on the BNC end???
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2795 on: April 24, 2017, 07:21:28 pm »
The following procedure can be used to 'Sanitize Memory in the DS2000,A Series Oscilloscopes'.

Edit Added -> Re-Calibration Requirement: Sanitization of the instrument's memory will of course erase the stored Self-Calibration values.  Therefore it is important to perform Self-Calibration following Sanitization.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2796 on: April 25, 2017, 08:13:09 am »
Is there still a good buy 2072A and upgrade or it is better to buy 2102A and upgrade???
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2797 on: April 25, 2017, 08:35:28 pm »
Is there still a good buy 2072A and upgrade or it is better to buy 2102A and upgrade???

Buy the cheaper one, hardware is the same. Might consider some of the other brands as well (siglent).
 

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There is a Firmware update for the DS2000/A.  But go to both http://int.rigol.com/Support/SoftDownload/3 , and https://rigol.desk.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2270646-firmware-update-procedures  to decide which update to use.  Looks like they are a little confused, but at least we have a update.  I'm sure we want to install 00.03.05.03.03 from  http://int.rigol.com/Support/SoftDownload/3   Anyway, read the 'MSO_DS2000A Release Notes.txt' from each.  It seems that Rigol NA is in error here.   What are they thinking?
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Some more was posted about the firmwares several weeks ago in https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-firmware-upgrade-for-rigol-ds2000-scopes/25/

From what I can tell the GEL file within both is identical, the only thing that changed is it appears they forgot to add the change notes in the first 00.03.05.03.02 and 00.03.05.03.03 the only difference is the added change notes.

Edit:
sha1sum OfficialFirmware-Ver00.03.05.03.0*/DS2000*/DS2000Update.GEL
bb63ce1f25092839b29357b06eddc761db373f32  OfficialFirmware-Ver00.03.05.03.02_2017-07-04/DS2000(DSP)Update_00.03.05.03.03/DS2000Update.GEL
bb63ce1f25092839b29357b06eddc761db373f32  OfficialFirmware-Ver00.03.05.03.03_2017-07-11/DS2000(DSP)Update_00.03.05.03.03/DS2000Update.GEL

sha1sum OfficialFirmware-Ver00.03.05.03.0*/DS2000*/MSO_DS2000A*Release*
536323caba48157eb69e16e324333b2c4f8b7695  OfficialFirmware-Ver00.03.05.03.02_2017-07-04/DS2000(DSP)Update_00.03.05.03.03/MSO_DS2000A Release Notes.txt
4b1ffe16b9ab17e7e539fc6ce52a617b9fda6e26  OfficialFirmware-Ver00.03.05.03.03_2017-07-11/DS2000(DSP)Update_00.03.05.03.03/MSO_DS2000A Release Notes.txt
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