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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2725 on: October 18, 2015, 09:22:38 am »
I was using my Rigol DS2072A-S tonight and noticed what seems to be a bug. At the time I noticed it I was running the 00.03.03.02.06 (aka 00.03.03SP2) that was release in June 2015. When the Trigger->Coupling is set to AC or LFReject the temporary line that shows where the trigger level is at when adjusting it does not show up. If Trigger->Coupling is set to DC or HFReject it shows up. I tried resetting the scope, setting AUTO, running the Auto calibration as well as changing various settings but nothing else seemed to make a difference. Finally I went ahead and updated to the 00.03.04.01.00 firmware that was released a couple of days ago hoping maybe it was something that had been fixed (assuming it really is a bug). I am still seeing the same behavior. I can't say when this behavior started (again, assuming it is a bug) but tonight was the first time I had noticed it. I generally use one of the other 2 places on the screen that actually shows the numerical value of the trigger level while adjusting and don't ever really change the Trigger->Coupling setting so its possible it has always been this way.

AC Trigger Coupling with no trigger level line.


LFReject Trigger Coupling with no trigger level line.


DC Trigger Coupling with visible trigger level line.


HFReject Trigger Coupling with visible trigger level line.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2726 on: October 18, 2015, 12:43:31 pm »
As far as I know, not showing the trigger bar in trigger AC coupled is normal, as it would not mean anything.

Can't remember the vids, but Dave speak about that in one of his video.

For LFReject I don't know if this si normal, but as we remove the low frequency part it would make sense, as the DC component is "low frequency".

Here is the video:

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2727 on: October 18, 2015, 04:34:36 pm »
I just received a 03.04.01.00 for my DS2000, haven't tried it yet.

http://rev.muxr.org/rigol/DS2000Update.zip


I´ve done the update with this latest firmware (03.04.01.00) on my DS2072A (HW 2.0), an what should I say: no more lockup so far I can say!  :-+

I hope not that someone else finds new errors.  :phew:
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2729 on: October 18, 2015, 06:02:35 pm »
Regarding that FW update...there's a way it can brick the scope.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/ds2072a-full-300mhz-all-options-upgrade-plus-bricking-unbricking/

It's not possible to brick the DSO - it has a bootloader. The guy that wrote the mistitled post you linked to is using the term incorrectly because he didn't understand how to load new FW correctly. He goes on to say how he "unbricked" it in 3 minutes. Sorry, but that's not "bricking/unbricking" - that's realizing you updated the FW incorrectly, then doing it the way Rigol tells you to do it.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2730 on: October 19, 2015, 02:50:46 am »
As far as I know, not showing the trigger bar in trigger AC coupled is normal, as it would not mean anything.

Can't remember the vids, but Dave speak about that in one of his video.

For LFReject I don't know if this si normal, but as we remove the low frequency part it would make sense, as the DC component is "low frequency".

Here is the video:


You are correct. I had been using the previous firmware since at least July and pretty much always leave the Trigger Coupling set to AC so no idea why I noticed that last night. I think subconsciously I must have been looking for an excuse to go ahead and install the new firmware.

So far I haven't had any issues with the new firmware though I wasn't having any with the previous one either.
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2731 on: December 17, 2015, 03:02:09 pm »
Rigol DS2000(A) Firmware 00.03.04.02.01 (15th Dec 2015) is now available on the http://int.rigol.com/Product/Index/3 site.

Does anyone know what has changed/added/fixed in this latest release ? There doesn't seem to be a release note in the .rar !
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2732 on: December 17, 2015, 04:35:06 pm »
I installed it witout problems to my DS2202. I don't know what is fixed!
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2733 on: December 17, 2015, 04:37:22 pm »
I installed it witout problems to my DS2202. I don't know what is fixed!

with all options installed?
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2734 on: December 17, 2015, 04:42:45 pm »
with all options installed?

Yes, I have official options exept one. All are still there.
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2735 on: December 17, 2015, 04:44:14 pm »
with all options installed?

Yes, I have official options exept one. All are still there.

OK, thx. for the quick reply  :-)
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2736 on: December 18, 2015, 03:06:25 am »
Did anyone notice rigol morons changed their slogan

Used  to be "Beyond measure"
which was very good reflection of their products which could not be used to accurately measure anything, only beyond it.

It is now not less moronic one


Yeah, you got it right this time rigol, it is going to be the "nothing" part. You will be there soon.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2737 on: December 20, 2015, 08:59:03 am »
Does DS2072A mount poor quality components on board (no brand capacitors and so on...) like the DS1054Z??
Or does it have better components?
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2738 on: December 20, 2015, 11:22:44 am »
Does DS2072A mount poor quality components on board (no brand capacitors and so on...) like the DS1054Z??
Or does it have better components?
http://www.eevblog.com/2012/09/26/eevblog-360-rigol-ds2000-oscilloscope-teardown/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/eevblog/sets/72157631618295437/
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2739 on: January 27, 2016, 04:45:45 am »
Rigol DS2000(A) Firmware 00.03.04.02.01 (15th Dec 2015) is now available on the http://int.rigol.com/Product/Index/3 site.

Does anyone know what has changed/added/fixed in this latest release ? There doesn't seem to be a release note in the .rar !

I obtained the firmware from Rigol and a changelog can be found here. Looks like no major changes. As usual I have loaded all missing versions onto my mirror at http://gotroot.ca/rigol/ . Sorry for the hiatus!
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2740 on: January 27, 2016, 05:44:25 am »
Except it introduced a horrible bug  that has not been fixed yet

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-firmware-(00-03-04-02-01)-bug-of-rigol-ds2000a-oscilloscope/msg830091/#msg830091

Do not use this version. Better yet, do not buy this shit in the first place.

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2741 on: January 28, 2016, 11:29:02 pm »
I obtained the firmware from Rigol and I have loaded all missing versions onto my mirror at http://gotroot.ca/rigol/ . !
Thanks K., seems like Rigol is letting the users alpha test :(
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2742 on: January 28, 2016, 11:49:09 pm »
If Rigol could outsource software to a competent firm, maybe we would have a complete scope, but hey this is why it's cheap. I am holding off on Firmware the one I am on, works ok for me. My RTM1054 is held up due to bad weather  :-BROKE
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2743 on: March 09, 2016, 03:26:14 pm »
Dear All,

New to the forum so hello everyone. I'm just about buying Rigol DS2072A as I just sold my Owon 7102. My question is does anyone know if Rigol is releasing new version of 2072 as it is like 4 years old already? They have promotion for the serial decoding functions and extra memory so I have a feeling that it's in EOL as they're offering those. If they're about to release new version in about month or so I might just wait for it.

Thank you advance.
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2744 on: March 20, 2016, 08:20:39 am »
Hello,

Ok, so I bought the DS2072A and I'm quite happy with it. It has firmware version 00.03.03.SP2 and I've managed to get it freeze two times already without even trying hard. I quess that was the problem of this version. Are those latter versions any better and do you recommend upgrading the version and if yes, what version is recommended?
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2745 on: March 20, 2016, 03:35:24 pm »
Hello,

Ok, so I bought the DS2072A and I'm quite happy with it. It has firmware version 00.03.03.SP2 and I've managed to get it freeze two times already without even trying hard. I quess that was the problem of this version. Are those latter versions any better and do you recommend upgrading the version and if yes, what version is recommended?
I don't remember having lockups with 00.03.03.SP1 (I did have frequent lockups with a version that came on my scope, forgot which version it was). I guess they may have introduced issues in SP2. Anyways I've been running 03.04.01.00 without lockups.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2746 on: March 20, 2016, 06:29:03 pm »
As usual I have loaded all missing versions onto my mirror at http://gotroot.ca/rigol/ . Sorry for the hiatus!
Thanks VE7XEN for all the versions of Firmware on your site.
MB Veketti can try the newer 03.04.02.01 FW
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2747 on: April 24, 2016, 01:28:02 pm »
hey all :)

just a quick question: are there any news about any new firmware versions? I run 00.03.01.00.04 but I read about a newer version here and I'm not sure about the actual state

and beside that: is it possible that there's a decoding bug concerning SPI mode 0?
while experimenting with digital potentiometers I noticed that the sent value does not decode correctly when SPI mode 0 is used, can anyone second that?
 

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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2748 on: April 24, 2016, 09:38:55 pm »
just a quick question: are there any news about any new firmware versions? I run 00.03.01.00.04 but I read about a newer version here and I'm not sure about the actual state
See the gotroot site in post above for 3 later versions of firmware.
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Re: REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol
« Reply #2749 on: April 25, 2016, 03:30:03 pm »
thx, Teneyes, but it is safe to use?
I mean, basically, do you suggest updating from "my" version?
 


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