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First picture on EEVblog of the new R&S MXO4 series oscilloscope :)

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pdenisowski:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on February 09, 2023, 08:16:02 am ---Except when the manual is wrong. You have to go into the Segmented menu to find the option to change it.

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Hi Dave!  When I start from a preset (little green button), it works as described in the manual.  I tried this with both the older 1.1.2 FW and the current 1.2 FW.  I can make a short video if you like, but if you hit Preset, then Acquisition -> N-single/Avg count, the value should be editable (default value is 1), and Run Single should work as expected (make a single acquisition unless you tell it otherwise).

Enabling "Acquisition -> Segmented -> Acquire Maximum" does gray out the acquisition count (since, well, maximum is maximum :)).  My guess is that this got set somehow during a previous session.  A tool tip or some other indication that this is enabled might be helpful here.

As someone who spent 20 years demonstrating loaner instruments to customers, I'm a big fan of the "Preset" button.  Can't count the number of hours I spent scratching my head trying to figure out an issue that was due to some setting that I either hadn't made or had forgotten that I had made :)

Thanks for the video!

pdenisowski:

--- Quote from: pdenisowski on February 09, 2023, 11:35:30 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on February 09, 2023, 08:16:02 am ---Except when the manual is wrong. You have to go into the Segmented menu to find the option to change it.

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Hi Dave!  When I start from a preset (little green button), it works as described in the manual.  I tried this with both the older 1.1.2 FW and the current 1.2 FW.  I can make a short video if you like

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Short video :)  [Screen capture only, no audio]

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: pdenisowski on February 09, 2023, 11:35:30 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on February 09, 2023, 08:16:02 am ---Except when the manual is wrong. You have to go into the Segmented menu to find the option to change it.

--- End quote ---

Hi Dave!  When I start from a preset (little green button), it works as described in the manual.  I tried this with both the older 1.1.2 FW and the current 1.2 FW.  I can make a short video if you like, but if you hit Preset, then Acquisition -> N-single/Avg count, the value should be editable (default value is 1), and Run Single should work as expected (make a single acquisition unless you tell it otherwise).

Enabling "Acquisition -> Segmented -> Acquire Maximum" does gray out the acquisition count (since, well, maximum is maximum :)).  My guess is that this got set somehow during a previous session.  A tool tip or some other indication that this is enabled might be helpful here.

As someone who spent 20 years demonstrating loaner instruments to customers, I'm a big fan of the "Preset" button.  Can't count the number of hours I spent scratching my head trying to figure out an issue that was due to some setting that I either hadn't made or had forgotten that I had made :)

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Thanks, but you shouldn't have to hit preset to do that!

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Fungus on February 09, 2023, 11:33:28 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on February 09, 2023, 08:16:02 am ---
--- Quote from: Fungus on February 09, 2023, 04:24:33 am ---If only there were things called manuals where you could go and type the word "single" and have the answer in a few seconds:

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Except when the manual is wrong. You have to go into the Segmented menu to find the option to change it.

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They must have moved it around.
Still, the clue is there...

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Sure, but I found it anyway, it just wasn't at all obvious on first use. And it's still not clear how/why it's enabled/disabled with the various related options I showed. I think the implementation is a bit of a mess for what is otherwise a great feature.

pdenisowski:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on February 09, 2023, 12:57:04 pm ---Thanks, but you shouldn't have to hit preset to do that!

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Preset just returns the instrument to the default settings.  In my (sometimes painful) experience at two major T&M instrument manufacturers, it can be easy to forget about or overlook a setting, so Preset just allows you to start from a known state with default values.

Preset is so useful that most major T&M companies have some version of it -- it actually drives me crazy when I'm trying to use an instrument (even something as simple as a function generator or programmable power supply) that doesn't have some kind of preset. :)

It would be helpful (as I think a YouTube commenter said) to have something that tells you why a parameter is grayed out.  I'll definitely feed that back to our product teams.

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