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First picture on EEVblog of the new R&S MXO4 series oscilloscope :)
luudee:
--- Quote from: nimish on February 23, 2023, 07:53:08 pm ---
I've heard of ~ $10MM for a full TSMC 7nm mask-set, maybe Samsung low-balled you since their 8nm sucked.
--- End quote ---
Remember, the mask NRE fluctuates very widely. When a new node comes out, you can see quotes as high
as $20Mil. This typically falls very quickly over the next 12 months, and then keeps on falling much slower for
the rest of the nodes' life. Since then, TSMC introduced 5nm, 3nm and is working on 2nm. Yes, Dave it's insane!
Yes, you are right, Samsung 8nm wasn't as great as TSMCs 7nm. But when you are not Apple or Qualcomm,
(and a couple of other stars), you'll never get into TSMC ... even GIC will not return you calls/emails ....
luudee
nimish:
--- Quote from: luudee on February 24, 2023, 04:54:12 am ---
--- Quote from: nimish on February 23, 2023, 07:53:08 pm ---
I've heard of ~ $10MM for a full TSMC 7nm mask-set, maybe Samsung low-balled you since their 8nm sucked.
--- End quote ---
Remember, the mask NRE fluctuates very widely. When a new node comes out, you can see quotes as high
as $20Mil. This typically falls very quickly over the next 12 months, and then keeps on falling much slower for
the rest of the nodes' life. Since then, TSMC introduced 5nm, 3nm and is working on 2nm. Yes, Dave it's insane!
Yes, you are right, Samsung 8nm wasn't as great as TSMCs 7nm. But when you are not Apple or Qualcomm,
(and a couple of other stars), you'll never get into TSMC ... even GIC will not return you calls/emails ....
luudee
--- End quote ---
Of course. That's just the mask set cost, not including the tens of millions/hundreds of millions in salaries, verification, IP and such. And since Samsung's "8nm" was "10nm++" I guess that you got a great price on an old node even 4 years ago.
Re TSMC: definitely not on the very latest nodes since Apple etc have bought up the entire capacity. Older nodes like 7FF are definitely available....but you are a small fry to TSMC.
By the way the node names have nothing to do with anything physical on the chip anymore, they are just marketing names. Nothing on the TSMC 3nm is actually 3nm except maybe thin film thickness
Martin72:
Batronix (not only) offering the MXO4-BNDL promo.
1.5Ghz, all decoders, bode, function-gen included.
For only 23681€ :P ;D
https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rohde-Schwarz-MXO4-BNDL.html
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Martin72 on April 08, 2023, 10:15:59 pm ---Batronix (not only) offering the MXO4-BNDL promo.
1.5Ghz, all decoders, bode, function-gen included.
For only 23681€ :P ;D
--- End quote ---
Bargin if your company capex limit is €25k
zhoneybee:
Would this scope be a good choice for me? I figured it'd be good to ask here instead starting another "which scope?" thread.
I work on embedded firmware, these days smart-home devices operating in 900 MHz band. My office has DS1104Zs for us firmware guys and an older 3 GHz Tek MDO with a built-in spectrum analyzer claimed by our EE, but I'd like to have my own bit of kit. I'd prefer at least 200 MHz of bandwidth with an upgrade path to 1+ GHz, 4 analog channels, and I2C / SPI decoding. I2S would be nice too. I admittedly don't know whether a built-in SA is worth the premium for me; I don't get enough opportunity with the one at work to become proficient.
In terms of budget, I'd feel great at $5k USD, good at $10k, and stretched thin by $20k. Before the MXO4 had been announced, I'd been looking at a Keysight MSOX3204G. The MXO4 out-specs it in a lot of ways and has a SA, but the MSO and protocol-decoding options drive the price up to $14k, and at that point I'm sorely tempted just to buy the bundle. At the same time my ill-nurtured thrifty side is encouraging me to seriously consider what I truly need and budget accordingly. The dream would be to pick up an MXO4 at the base price and purchase a promotional bundle of options for a song later on, but that might just be a dream.
Any advice? I'm open to suggestions for other scopes too.
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