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First picture on EEVblog of the new R&S MXO4 series oscilloscope :)
Rich@RohdeScopesUSA:
--- Quote from: Domitronic on September 28, 2022, 09:05:28 pm ---...i would assume zone trigger will not be added free of charge but as an option later on.
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Zone will be a free upgrade. And it's really good 8)
-Rich
Rich@RohdeScopesUSA:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 28, 2022, 08:37:58 pm ---So it drops down from millions of triggers per second to 1.3k WFMS/s when you enable statistics?
For instance, SDS6000H12 PRO can't achieve 4.5MWFMS/s. It will go up to 150K. But if you enable 6 measurements, with full statistics, measuring over full buffer, an histicons (histograms) for all measurements it will not slow down at ALL.
This only shows how different architectures have it's strengths at different places..
What I like is that they seem to have implemented spectrum analysis that is independent from time domain... That could be interesting if there is mixed mode triggering..
One thing I don't like is that they fully embraced practice to release products that are not feature complete... At this moment it has less protocol decodes than Rigol DS1000Z, Zone button is not implemented ... and god knows what else we cannot see from short video.
Yes I know they will do it, but if I buy a 25000€ scope I would like it to work today not in two years, no matter how I trust them to be good on a promise. It is a simple matter that in that case it is prudent to buy it when it actually can perform tasks needed. In two years..
But it seems to be a nice step forward for R&S...
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I hear what you're saying, but I guess I like that we have the ability to turn so many things on in hardware over time. So even if it isn't done today in hardware (say measurement statistics) we can add that as needed/asked for. And since this is a new platform, it will mature over time. I think people will be impressed at what we can do with it and I sort of love when new firmware is released on something like my phone (or even cars with OTA updates) and new features and capabilities come about. But I may be in the minority.
With respect to the frequency domain - it is fully independent, but is still correlated to the time domain. You can do some really powerful things with it today (with more to come - free even ;D).
-Rich
Fungus:
--- Quote from: tomud on September 28, 2022, 08:36:01 pm ---What's funny, if I bought in Batronix for a company, I would pay 0% VAT - ehh, this is social justice and how to pay taxes honestly :-//
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It's not "cheaper" for a company, they'd reclaim the VAT anyway if they bought it in their own country.
European VAT rules are just there to avoid inter-country paperwork - you don't pay VAT on the purchase but you also don't get to reclaim it in your tax returns.
Domitronic:
--- Quote from: Martin72 on September 28, 2022, 09:24:30 pm ---
--- Quote ---Tektronix does the same with their new 2 Series
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Everyone does it, siglent, rigol also.
You buy a fully loaded scope in every case.
Even when you buy the basic model, every costs are into the price for it plus bonus.
And when you relase an option like freeing a prisioner, it will make more plus.
Therefore they can make "promo-offers" like all options including, without weeping in their cushions.
And therefore I don´t have any problems to free prisioners without paying ransom money.
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Thats not what i meant. Selling options is fine for me of course. There is cost involved to develop software options and its clear for me that it costs money. For example if a bode plot function saves a lot of time at work because i don't have to sweep it manually this money is justified.
Tektronix released the 2 series without the MSO function implemented. Advertising features that are not there but might be in the future is the problem. At least R&S doesn't promise anything in particular and just advertise what is already there. What i wanted to say is make your decisions on what is already there and not what my be in the future. If you need a MSO with 16 digital channels, simply don't buy Tek 2 series today. If you need other decoders/options than MXO4 has today, don't buy it today.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: Rich@RohdeScopesUSA on September 28, 2022, 09:36:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 28, 2022, 08:37:58 pm ---So it drops down from millions of triggers per second to 1.3k WFMS/s when you enable statistics?
For instance, SDS6000H12 PRO can't achieve 4.5MWFMS/s. It will go up to 150K. But if you enable 6 measurements, with full statistics, measuring over full buffer, an histicons (histograms) for all measurements it will not slow down at ALL.
This only shows how different architectures have it's strengths at different places..
What I like is that they seem to have implemented spectrum analysis that is independent from time domain... That could be interesting if there is mixed mode triggering..
One thing I don't like is that they fully embraced practice to release products that are not feature complete... At this moment it has less protocol decodes than Rigol DS1000Z, Zone button is not implemented ... and god knows what else we cannot see from short video.
Yes I know they will do it, but if I buy a 25000€ scope I would like it to work today not in two years, no matter how I trust them to be good on a promise. It is a simple matter that in that case it is prudent to buy it when it actually can perform tasks needed. In two years..
But it seems to be a nice step forward for R&S...
--- End quote ---
I hear what you're saying, but I guess I like that we have the ability to turn so many things on in hardware over time. So even if it isn't done today in hardware (say measurement statistics) we can add that as needed/asked for. And since this is a new platform, it will mature over time. I think people will be impressed at what we can do with it and I sort of love when new firmware is released on something like my phone (or even cars with OTA updates) and new features and capabilities come about. But I may be in the minority.
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IMHO the most important thing is that what functionality is offered today, is working as expected / reliable. Whether the current feature set matches your current buying requirements is another matter. From a business perspective I think it is not wise to buy test equipment that misses features you need today. I also think that adding features in the future won't affect any buying decission other than having more features makes an instrument more likely to fit certain requirements at some point in time.
I do get though that you need to release a product to the market at some point; a good moment is when the basic functionality is working up to a level where the product is interesting enough to buy. If you leave it up to engineers, a product is never finished ;D
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