First picture on EEVblog of the new R&S MXO4 series oscilloscope :)

[pdenisowski]

It's been sitting in my office for weeks, but now that it's been officially launched, I'm officially allowed to share 

[Someone]

Nice to see manufacturers continuing to push the envelope of specifications in multiple directions (not just a one trick pony), including details like more offset range.

Do share pricing when you can.

[TheDefpom]

R&S could send me one to review… just sayin 🤓

[pdenisowski]

R&S could send me one to review… just sayin 🤓

I'd send you mine if I didn't already have a huge list of things I need to do with it

[nctnico]

The specs look really good! Full HD resolution screen as well.

Just wondering whether this model also uses decimated data for math or that it is possible to use the actual acquired data.

[2N3055]

Decimation (assuming there are excess samples, of course) always occurs before any math processing*, and I believe this is the case for all digital oscilloscopes.

Nope, it doesn't occur always before any math processing and is not the case for all digital oscilloscopes.

Nice looking machine!! Looking forward to more info!

[tv84]

The USB ports casings looks cheap. No matter what you say, R&S could have done much better.

Otherwise it looks good and I expect it to be a new comparison reference. Let's see the price.

[BU508A]

I've attached the data sheet of the MXO4.
There is also a nice brochure online (19.1MByte).
Can be downloaded here.

[BU508A]

The USB ports casings looks cheap. No matter what you say, R&S could have done much better.

Otherwise it looks good and I expect it to be a new comparison reference. Let's see the price.

AlliCE has some prices online:
https://allice.de/rohde-schwarz/rohde-schwarz-msox4-oszilloskope-mxo44-next-generation-oscilloscope/

Edit:
Screenshot:

[Domitronic]

This really looks nice and interesting. Will there be more options available like Ethernet compliance tests? Right now there are only some serial decoders, AWG and bode plot.

[tv84]

AlliCE has some prices online:
https://allice.de/rohde-schwarz/rohde-schwarz-msox4-oszilloskope-mxo44-next-generation-oscilloscope/

As usual, it was a nice ride while it lasted.

[Domitronic]

As usual, it was a nice ride while it lasted.

Well, if you compare the 200MHz version its "only" a factor of 2 compared to a Siglent SDS2204X HD 

Honestly, i think the pricing is decent when compared to Tek Series 4 or Kesight 4000. Lecroy 4000HD might be a lot cheaper due to special offers but not with regular pricing.

[nctnico]

Just wondering whether this model also uses decimated data for math or that it is possible to use the actual acquired data.

Decimation (assuming there are excess samples, of course) always occurs before any math processing*, and I believe this is the case for all digital oscilloscopes.

No. For example: GW Instek, Lecroy, Siglent and Tektronix use the acquired data to perform math on. Typically you can choose to do math on the full memory record, the screen portion or between cursors. This means that regardless of the zoom level, you always get the same result from measurements and math. When I did testing of the filter functions on the RTM3004, I noticed that these show odd behaviour due to decimating the data. The decimation makes the filter functions far less usefull. I get that decimation makes doing measurements & math faster but it also means data is being thrown away and it makes it necessary to hint the user that the results may not be accurate.

[Rich@RohdeScopesUSA]

Early look and teardown by AddOhms for those interested:



We're working to get Dave and Shahriar permanent units as well - we're still starting to get them shipped out.  Hope they'll have them shortly (@Dave - Tristen will be in touch if he hasn't already been).

-Rich

[maxwell3e10]

If the waveform update rate is really high for all settings then this maybe the first scope that has both high resolution and fast waveform update rate (>1 MS/sec). My question would be how fast it can perform waveform average? Maximum is 16M averages, how long would that take?

[Black Phoenix]

Early look and teardown by AddOhms for those interested:



We're working to get Dave and Shahriar permanent units as well - we're still starting to get them shipped out.  Hope they'll have them shortly (@Dave - Tristen will be in touch if he hasn't already been).

-Rich

I could use a permanent unit too...

Joking, I'm no one of influencer or reviewer to have a brand send me something that although I have use for I can't show, so no increasing sales for the brand.

Although yes it would be good to have one...

[nctnico]

If the waveform update rate is really high for all settings then this maybe the first scope that has both high resolution and fast waveform update rate (>1 MS/sec).

And don't forget deep memory... Keysight is having a very bad day today.

[Domitronic]

Early look and teardown by AddOhms for those interested:

-Rich

In the video he says this is a replacement of the RTA4000 series. Would be nice to see some of the technology trickle down to a future MXO 3 or MXO 2 series if they also plan to replace RTB2000 and RTM3000.

[Rich@RohdeScopesUSA]

Early look and teardown by AddOhms for those interested:

-Rich

In the video he says this is a replacement of the RTA4000 series. Would be nice to see some of the technology trickle down to a future MXO 3 or MXO 2 series if they also plan to replace RTB2000 and RTM3000.

I can't talk roadmap, but we've been pretty open about this scope being "the first" of a new generation using this chipset.  So read from that what you will 

-Rich

[Rich@RohdeScopesUSA]

If the waveform update rate is really high for all settings then this maybe the first scope that has both high resolution and fast waveform update rate (>1 MS/sec). My question would be how fast it can perform waveform average? Maximum is 16M averages, how long would that take?

Sadly, I don't even have one yet.  Maybe @pdenisowski can test that?  If not, I'll get an answer for you as soon as I get my hands on one.

-Rich

[Rich@RohdeScopesUSA]

Nice to see manufacturers continuing to push the envelope of specifications in multiple directions (not just a one trick pony), including details like more offset range.

Do share pricing when you can.

The offset range is a great catch - it will be overlooked with all the speed discussion, but is critical in many applications.

Pricing for the US starts at $8,435 for a 200MHz, 4ch model (sorry - don't have other countries). 

-Rich

[nctnico]

Nice to see manufacturers continuing to push the envelope of specifications in multiple directions (not just a one trick pony), including details like more offset range.

Do share pricing when you can.

The offset range is a great catch - it will be overlooked with all the speed discussion, but is critical in many applications.

I agree with that. A limited offset range is something I run into regulary on various oscilloscopes.

[Martin72]

Pricing for the US starts at $8,435 for a 200MHz, 4ch model (sorry - don't have other countries).

Batronix (Germany/EU) got them too:

https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rohde-Schwarz-MXO44-242.html

I must confess, this is really an eyecatcher - But far, far away for me...

[Fungus]

As usual, it was a nice ride while it lasted.

Well, if you compare the 200MHz version its "only" a factor of 2 compared to a Siglent SDS2204X HD 

Wait 'til you add a few "accessories" like serial decoders, the AWG, or heaven forbid ... a bandwidth upgrade. 

Is the Siglent HD hackable? I'm betting the R&S isn't.

[Martin72]

Comparison is the end of happiness and the beginning of dissatisfaction

(Kierkegaard)