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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #200 on: June 29, 2017, 12:53:54 am »
FYI, Fluke isn't the only one that makes multimeters in the USA
https://www.kleintools.com/catalog/discontinued-products/electricians-hvac-trms-multimeter
https://www.kleintools.com/content/american-manufacturing

UPDATE: I just notice that they are both discontinued products?
Reading the text on the second link shows how people here in the US have been concerned with jobs and manufacturing for quite some time.
For Klein, it is somewhat easier for them to get a lot of manufacturing in the US, given they sell a wide variety of gear and not only electronic equipment.

The MM6000 shows as discontinued on the link, but not on their catalog. Funny.
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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #201 on: June 29, 2017, 12:55:30 am »
Ask if you can check whether it says "Made in USA" on the back.
That said, what good is this question? The boxes still say made in USA. The website says made in USA. The email from customer service says made in USA. What exactly do you expect to learn??!??

I'm just hoping there's a meter in the world that says "Made in USA" on the back and has wonky input jacks.  >:D

 

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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #202 on: June 29, 2017, 04:02:22 pm »
Seen today in the local shop.
In my opinion inner parts of the A and mA terminal is sligtly too much off centered. Is it normal?

Ask if you can check whether it says "Made in USA" on the back.
It won't unless it's been sitting in the window for years. They stopped writing Made in USA on the meter at minimum in early 2015, probably earlier. The yellow holster does say it, though.

That said, what good is this question? The boxes still say made in USA. The website says made in USA. The email from customer service says made in USA. What exactly do you expect to learn??!??

Seriously, some people on this forum will say and do anything to try to discredit Fluke's reliability. Anti-Fluke trolls gotta troll I guess.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 04:31:33 pm by BMack »
 
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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #203 on: June 30, 2017, 06:03:17 am »
Yup, it's absolutely pathetic.
 

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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #204 on: June 30, 2017, 01:20:39 pm »
Yup, it's absolutely pathetic.

My FLuke 289, bought back in 2012, has the following marking on the back:

FLUKE CORPORATION
      MADE IN USA
      OF U.S. AND NON U.S. PARTS
      www.fluke.com

But, my Fluke 87-V, bought this year in 2017, has no mention of "Made in USA"
on the back of the meter itself. Hmmm...why doesn't Fluke mark all their meters
the same way?

 
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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #205 on: June 30, 2017, 05:19:31 pm »
But, my Fluke 87-V, bought this year in 2017, has no mention of "Made in USA"
on the back of the meter itself. Hmmm...why doesn't Fluke mark all their meters
the same way?

Xenophobia.

 

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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #206 on: July 01, 2017, 01:08:16 am »
But, my Fluke 87-V, bought this year in 2017, has no mention of "Made in USA"
on the back of the meter itself. Hmmm...why doesn't Fluke mark all their meters
the same way?

Xenophobia.

But, we love to buy things that say "Made In Japan", even when we're in the west.

 
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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #207 on: July 04, 2017, 07:43:36 am »
It's not that China can't make good products - it can, as companies like Apple demonstrate. But whereas made in China says absolutely nothing about quality, since they span the whole range from top quality to absolute garbage, made in Japan, USA, Germany, Switzerland, etc tells you that the chances of it being high quality are quite high, without going so far as to call it a guarantee, simply because in those countries it's not with it to manufacture junk.
 

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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #208 on: July 04, 2017, 08:04:22 am »
It's not that China can't make good products - it can, as companies like Apple demonstrate. But whereas made in China says absolutely nothing about quality, since they span the whole range from top quality to absolute garbage, made in Japan, USA, Germany, Switzerland, etc tells you that the chances of it being high quality are quite high, without going so far as to call it a guarantee, simply because in those countries it's not with it to manufacture junk.

Just buy more expensive ones. Don't expect made in China can bring down material cost. The money you can save is the labor cost (which is not much lower than Malaysia or similar Asian countries) and design cost (but again, most people making clones don't deliver good quality).

Which brings to the conclusion:
1. Buy only mature technology (that the Chinese clone is so mature that it can easily reach the original technology's level) made by a bigger company (with reputation and other virtual equity that they don't want to throw down the drain).
2. Buy made in China by a big international company (Fluke, Apple, etc.).
3. Buy those Chinese designs that are sponsored by government (such as telecom gears and laser gears -- Chinese government pays for quite a portion of R&D of domestic high tech, so you end up paying less with good quality).

Don't expect your $2 incl. shipping LM2596 modules from China to be of any decent quality -- it's simply impossible. The same for many other seemingly impossibly cheap deals. In China we call this IQ tax -- stupid, greedy and naive people get scammed, they pay for their stupidity.
 
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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #209 on: July 05, 2017, 02:31:22 pm »
It's not that China can't make good products - it can, as companies like Apple demonstrate.

Yes, I have an IBM Thinkpad, made by Lenovo in China, top quality computer.

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simply because in those countries it's not with it to manufacture junk.

Japan manufactures junk too. BUT...sometime ago the Government got involved and prohibited the export of junk to the rest of the world. So, if a Japanese company wants to export something, they need permission. Only the best quality products are exported. The junk is only allowed to be sold locally. Typically, new "Made in Japan" products are "tested" in the local market first, for some time before being allowed to export.

China also has something like this, but it doesn't work there. When you buy things from China, if you follow the "tracking" in detail, you'll see that all products pass through "export control" centers. But all they seem to do is "delay" the exports. One Chinese exporter said to me that "export control" does turn back some items, but I have never seen this in my dealings, all the junk has come through and delivered to my doorstep. Considering that Chinese sellers don't include "batteries" in their products, it may be that the "export control" centers look for specific things like batteries and prevent the export only certain things, which has nothing to do with quality. Apart from these few things, "export control" returns to sender, the Chinese merchants can export just about anything they want.

 

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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #210 on: July 05, 2017, 02:39:51 pm »
China also has something like this, but it doesn't work there. When you buy things from China, if you follow the "tracking" in detail, you'll see that all products pass through "export control" centers. But all they seem to do is "delay" the exports. One Chinese exporter said to me that "export control" does turn back some items, but I have never seen this in my dealings, all the junk has come through and delivered to my doorstep. Considering that Chinese sellers don't include "batteries" in their products, it may be that the "export control" centers look for specific things like batteries and prevent the export only certain things, which has nothing to do with quality. Apart from these few things, "export control" returns to sender, the Chinese merchants can export just about anything they want.

In China we say there are policies, and there are countermeasures. Chinese businessmen are smart enough not to follow rules, and Chinese government, as dictator as it seems to be, has no power against thousands and thousands of sellers, basically untraceable mom&pop shops. A single outlawer can be jailed, and a thousand of them with thousands of mouths to feed, makes the government unable to do anything to them. After all, maintain stability is the No. 1 priority of Chinese government.

It's pretty much inevitable in the first stage of capitalism. Without moral system and mature legal system, the creed towards money can drive anything to happen.
 

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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #211 on: July 06, 2017, 08:07:41 am »
It's not that China can't make good products - it can, as companies like Apple demonstrate. But whereas made in China says absolutely nothing about quality, since they span the whole range from top quality to absolute garbage, made in Japan, USA, Germany, Switzerland, etc tells you that the chances of it being high quality are quite high, without going so far as to call it a guarantee, simply because in those countries it's not with it to manufacture junk.

Just buy more expensive ones. Don't expect made in China can bring down material cost. The money you can save is the labor cost (which is not much lower than Malaysia or similar Asian countries) and design cost (but again, most people making clones don't deliver good quality).

Which brings to the conclusion:
1. Buy only mature technology (that the Chinese clone is so mature that it can easily reach the original technology's level) made by a bigger company (with reputation and other virtual equity that they don't want to throw down the drain).
2. Buy made in China by a big international company (Fluke, Apple, etc.).
3. Buy those Chinese designs that are sponsored by government (such as telecom gears and laser gears -- Chinese government pays for quite a portion of R&D of domestic high tech, so you end up paying less with good quality).

Don't expect your $2 incl. shipping LM2596 modules from China to be of any decent quality -- it's simply impossible. The same for many other seemingly impossibly cheap deals. In China we call this IQ tax -- stupid, greedy and naive people get scammed, they pay for their stupidity.
In the periphery countries in Latin America (I know well Brazil and Argentina and friends report similar things in Peru, Paraguay and Chile) and perhaps Africa, what you see on the streets that is "Made in China" is the absolute bottom of the barrel (or perhaps it is what has fallen from the barrel) in terms of quality - I couldn't yet see that level of low quality in a store here in the US.

A few years ago, however, there was also a heap of absolute garbage consumer products with a stamp that had the deutscher adler (eagle) and the inscription "German Export" - they were actually made in Germany but were preying on the folks that believed that everything from Germany was high quality...
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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #212 on: July 20, 2017, 12:06:37 am »
so does it mean my new fluke 179 is made in USA? |O
 

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Re: Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?
« Reply #213 on: November 11, 2018, 08:44:08 am »
I know this topic is a little old, but I thought I'd add the details of my new 87V for future reference.

Purchased new, 436GBP (inc VAT), Jan 2018 in the UK from CPC (division of Farnell/Element14).

DMM itself is not marked with any Made In etc moulded in the grey plastic.
DMM has light grey outer ring on V/Ohm/Diode jack, red inner. Other jacks are dark grey outer rings, red inners/black inner on COM.
Holster say "Assembled in USA".
Box itself is 11/2013 revision, states "Printed in USA. Made in the US with Imported Parts."
Manufacturers self-adhesive label says: FLUKE-87-5/EUR, Mfg Date Jun2017, Country of Origin: United States

Farnell's stock label says their part number is IN04389, Manf Part No: FLUKE 87-V/EUR, COO: US

I registered this DMM on Fluke's site. It didn't complain about the serial number at all. But also I didn't get a confirmation email either so their registration checks might be a little lightweight...

Kevin
 
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