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Fluke 87V MAX versus Hioki DT4282 compared [video]
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J-R:

--- Quote from: coromonadalix on May 05, 2023, 09:56:30 pm ---Another nothingless thread  ....  bad compairaisons indeed

same thing   for the false 500,000 count on some meters,   an "high res"  gimmick     compare real ranges  without resorting to display tricks

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Hey now, the video has good information if you're shopping for either of those models.  The flashing red backlight on the Hioki is kind of cool, BTW.

And if you're referring to the relatively restrictive 500k count mode on the BM869s, it actually does work especially if you just make a point of calibrating it.  Specifically the 5V range is dead-simple to do since there are lots of cheap 5V references out there.  At the upper end of each range it can be a bit off depending on environmentals, but up to 25% or so it's spot on to the very last digit, and maybe one LSD off above that which is useful.  It's also very good for values just beyond the range, say 10V.  Again, assuming the calibration is good.

NoMoreMagicSmoke:

--- Quote from: Jiri Bekr on May 04, 2023, 04:21:25 pm ---TO: NoMoreMagicSmoke

Your stopping watching very quickly is the problem here.
If you would actually watch it, you would see how I compare them when Fluke is running in Hi-Res 20 000 counts mode.

The price is actual price I took from two Czech OFFICIAL distributors (Teste.cz for Hioki and GHVTrading.cz for Fluke, feel free to check out, they cost even more today). And if you actually watched the video, you would also hear that prices may vary depending on where you are, and that these prices include 21% tax. It's impossible for me to find prices for every market on the planet and mention them all...

The 6 000 / 20 000 counts Fluke 87V series is fully comparable to Hioki DT4282, as they are both industrial hi-ends and there is not that significant price difference as between 87V MAX and DT4261. 87V MAX costs twice as much... And trying to compare DT4282 against F287? Are you serious? F287 also costs exactly twice as much as DT4282.

There is no problem with these mentioned in the video, the only problem is you not watching the video, and rather trying to dishonor someone's work based on made up arguments, fabricated by you, that are far from truth. I am not responsible for people not seeing my video, and for them making up their opinions based on nothing, just made up stuff. Also, this behavior is very unprofessional.

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I watched up until the point where you made the statement "Hioki measured ACV and the Fluke estimates ACV". I was willing to give it a chance, but I couldn't keep watching after picking a poor comparison, then bashing the Fluke because of the poor matching. I hope you can agree that watching 20 minutes was enough for my opinion to be something more than "Made up stuff".

Again, the Fluke 87 Max is a different target market than the Hioki DT4282. The Fluke 287 is the meter that competes with the DT4282, and in my opinion making that comparison (and stating your cost difference) would have been a more fair comparison.
BeBuLamar:

--- Quote from: NoMoreMagicSmoke on May 06, 2023, 04:16:42 am ---
--- Quote from: Jiri Bekr on May 04, 2023, 04:21:25 pm ---Again, the Fluke 87 Max is a different target market than the Hioki DT4282. The Fluke 287 is the meter that competes with the DT4282, and in my opinion making that comparison (and stating your cost difference) would have been a more fair comparison.

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I have to agree with you. For my work I definitely pick the Fluke 87V Max and really never even care about the 20,000 count mode. I don't need that high res nor accuracy. I do want the IP67 and the long warranty. I did need them both. But if I buy one for use at home the Hioki is a better meter. I think the Hioki DT4282 is closer to the Fluke older 189 or 187. It's 100 hrs battery life is comparable to the 189/187 not the 87V or 87V Max.
One thing I hate that when my work is hectic and I am in a hurry and I have to get new batteries for the meter.
NoMoreMagicSmoke:

--- Quote from: BeBuLamar on May 06, 2023, 12:11:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: NoMoreMagicSmoke on May 06, 2023, 04:16:42 am ---
--- Quote from: Jiri Bekr on May 04, 2023, 04:21:25 pm ---Again, the Fluke 87 Max is a different target market than the Hioki DT4282. The Fluke 287 is the meter that competes with the DT4282, and in my opinion making that comparison (and stating your cost difference) would have been a more fair comparison.

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I have to agree with you. For my work I definitely pick the Fluke 87V Max and really never even care about the 20,000 count mode. I don't need that high res nor accuracy. I do want the IP67 and the long warranty. I did need them both. But if I buy one for use at home the Hioki is a better meter. I think the Hioki DT4282 is closer to the Fluke older 189 or 187. It's 100 hrs battery life is comparable to the 189/187 not the 87V or 87V Max.
One thing I hate that when my work is hectic and I am in a hurry and I have to get new batteries for the meter.

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I have always thought the 20,000 count mode was a bit gimmicky. I know people use it to measure for drift, but since the accuracy spec is double digit counts in 20k mode, it's not really good for much more than that.

I agree with you on the Fluke 187 and 189. I much prefer those older meters to the newer 287/9. I think Fluke went way to complicated with the 28x series.
BeBuLamar:
When I sent in my original 87 (bought in 89) to Fluke for repair of the bad display the second time in 2004. They said they can't fix it anymore and offered me $100 credit toward the new 189. So I bought the 189. About a month later or so they contacted me and wanted an interview with me for an hour and gave me a $100 HomeDepot gift certificate. So I sat down with them and they showed me on their laptop a simulator of what was going to be the 189 IV (now they changed the name to 289). I asked me a couple of things like do I want the temperature to show in bot C and F? I said I want to be able to switch but I don't want to see both at the same time. Any way I liked the new dot matrix display but little did I know that when I got my hand on the real 289 the display is so low in contrast that I almost always have to use the backlight. The simulator on the laptop didn't show this problem. Also I didn't know that it boots up so slowly and the autoranging in Ohm mode is too slow. So I told them I liked the new meter a lot which I don't really now that I have used them in real life.
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