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Fluke 87V MAX versus Hioki DT4282 compared [video]
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Fungus on May 17, 2023, 09:48:29 am ---
--- Quote from: BeBuLamar on May 17, 2023, 09:21:27 am ---I actually never know of the 189 IV.
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There's no such meter. The 189 was launched as the 87 IV but too many people complained so Fluke renamed it as the 189 (and made the 87V).
--- Quote from: BeBuLamar on May 17, 2023, 09:21:27 am ---There was only the 189 II but it's the same as the 289. It was my typo to call it the 189 IV.
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The 189 II became today's 289.
Bottom line: The 187/189 are Fluke's design peak. After that it's all just "Protect the 87V"
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Yes, that was a very interesting (and confusing at the time) turn.
But when you have an industry standard is totally makes sense to protect that cash cow for as long as possible.
Fungus:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 18, 2023, 03:54:20 am ---But when you have an industry standard is totally makes sense to protect that cash cow for as long as possible.
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I bet it annoys the Fluke engineers though.
bdunham7:
--- Quote from: Fungus on May 18, 2023, 03:59:42 am ---I bet it annoys the Fluke engineers though.
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I don't know where you get the idea that they 'protect' it unless you're suggesting that they introduce a cheaper 'bang for buck' model to compete with Uni-T for your hobbyist dollar. There are two more rugged (IP67) meters at similar price points that could be considered competitors and the 287 sits right above it in the line, only $200 more. The basic 179 sits right below it in the lineup. Those are all 'cash cows' as they've been in production for decades, which is a 'feature, not a bug' for Fluke. And then there's the 3000FC, which is probably attractive to many real Fluke 87V customers.
https://www.fluke.com/en-us/product/electrical-testing/digital-multimeters/fluke-3000-fc
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: bdunham7 on May 18, 2023, 04:33:14 am ---I don't know where you get the idea that they 'protect' it unless you're suggesting that they introduce a cheaper 'bang for buck' model to compete with Uni-T for your hobbyist dollar.
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The renaming of the 87 IV to the 189 was clearly done to protect the traditional 87III market at the time and avoid confusion that Fluke were going to discontinue the 87V form factor and features.
It's likely that no amunt of reassurance that they weren't going to discontinue the 87III worked, so they changed it quick smart.
And then it's been the same design and features for two decades now, with no visible upgrade. The 87V came out in 2004, almost 20 years ago now.
In that time a lot has changed inside, IICR they switched processors to the MSP430 and did other things, but outside it was the same.
They are clearly protecting a winner, and Fluke have told me as much.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Fungus on May 18, 2023, 03:59:42 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 18, 2023, 03:54:20 am ---But when you have an industry standard is totally makes sense to protect that cash cow for as long as possible.
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I bet it annoys the Fluke engineers though.
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It took them a year to fix that GSM hardware problem I raised in a video a long time ago. Probably the most excitement they'd had in years ;D
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