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Title: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 24, 2022, 07:32:45 am
Hi All

My last Plea for help, I have posted a couple of emails about the issue.  The Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt \WINNT\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\SYSTEM.   I took the top off and I have a Compact Flash drive with the following information on it. Part No. 1303.0417.07, Flash Disk for R&S FSP with Windows XP.

I don't have a Windows build embedded XP disk, or the analyzers build software and R&S have told me they can't help.  If only I had a friend who works in their repair\service department.

Could I just install a standard Windows XP build and install the firmware which I believe is still on the R&S website?  https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/firmware/fsp40/ (https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/firmware/fsp40/)

I would need to know on the old drive as I can still read the drive if I put it in a caddy, where the calibration data is for it.

Otherwise, the unit is a dustbin job.

Any help would be much apricated.

Regards


Paul P
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: Qw3rtzuiop on November 24, 2022, 08:41:14 am
Hi,
i dont have a solution but two links that maybe help you.
There is an FSP xp image on KO4BB http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals&dir=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP (http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals&dir=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP)
The other one is the a link to archive.org where someone uploaded the xp embedded installer disks https://archive.org/details/XPESP2 (https://archive.org/details/XPESP2)
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 24, 2022, 09:51:03 am
I did find the files in http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals&dir=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP (http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals&dir=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP)

Not sure if they are both the same, one is an ISO and the other is a TIB file.

The embedded XP link, not sure how this complies?  I see there is a A, B, C file,

Any help would be much appricated.
 

Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: alm on November 24, 2022, 10:07:26 am
Windows XP embedded is not just something you install from CD. It's made to be customized by an OEM and then a custom build with all the drivers and software included is deployed to the device. So your hope is either finding the original XPe build by R&S or see if the software works with regular Windows XP and if you can find the drivers.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 24, 2022, 10:12:57 am
Hi ALM

So, do you know if the link http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals&dir=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP (http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals&dir=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP) well the http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=download&file=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP_Spectrum_Analyzer_Disk_Image_NT4_2.80SP3.zip (http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=download&file=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP_Spectrum_Analyzer_Disk_Image_NT4_2.80SP3.zip)  is a TIB file, which is a different image build.  Looks like I might need to buy the complier software.

Thanks for your info on the windows XP, looks like this might be imposable to fix.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: Qw3rtzuiop on November 24, 2022, 10:14:24 am
Not sure if they are both the same, one is an ISO and the other is a TIB file.
The nt image is in the .tib file. It should be an Acronis Backup. There are free Acronis Versions available from Western Digital and Crucial.
The other file is a windows xp image.

The embedded XP link, not sure how this complies?  I see there is a A, B, C file,
The three file are .iso images of the installation disks.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: DavidAlfa on November 24, 2022, 12:28:14 pm
The Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt \WINNT\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\SYSTEM.
Damaged registry...
Run "chkdsk /f LETTER:"
I'd make a drive image with Clonezilla / Acronis / Acronis etc.
Copy the CONFIG folder just in case you want to restore something (Without having to restore the whole image).

Now, proceed restoring that file:
- From a restore point (system volume information\rpN\snapshot), where highest N means latest backup.
- If restore was disabled and there're no backups, you can still try with the files at system32/config/regback.

Edit: Found a video doing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOy89HEChZs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOy89HEChZs)
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 24, 2022, 12:47:15 pm
This looks good.  But I can't go forward with the r (repair) as I need the windows disk. I have no windows embedded XP disk.  I do have a USB drive I can connect but not sure what I need to do now?

See attached screen from FSP40.  If I press R it just loops back.
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Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 24, 2022, 01:13:40 pm
an xp embedded is what i could call a "slimmed down to the max" of a normal windows xp,  install a normal windows xp instead, the hardware should support it anyway

Use an XP Sp3  installation 

When windows boot  even with some missing equipment drivers, you'll have the base  to work with, the worst would be the screen configs ...

With the given images  try to recover the missing drivers and complete your windows installation

When you should normally succeed,  you remove all the xp unneeded crap

Done it a few times, it's time consuming but as a last resort .... when you don't get  what you need  ...  for some screen configs i forcibly added a 640x480 16 color screen config in windows

good luck
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 24, 2022, 01:16:47 pm
This is the now the unit's power on information, this was a few weeks ago. I have copied the original Flash card, with R & S files etc.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 24, 2022, 01:19:36 pm
you miss some  essential components to make windows boot further

 as i wrote before,  use an normal windows xp setup  ....


or use this  link  to get an embedded sp2 iso,  its an 3 part   
https://archive.org/details/XPESP2
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: DavidAlfa on November 24, 2022, 01:33:48 pm
Just plug the drive in any computer.
Or use any Windows CD, you only need the recovery console, not restoring Windows files .

Error 7B means it can't access the storage controller (missing driver, probably).
If that thing has BIOS, check if it has ahci/ide mode switching, just revert it when booting the original drive.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 24, 2022, 01:54:29 pm
Hi I do have that file (https://archive.org/details/XPESP2) and see it has an A, B, C, can you advice how a build this correctly.  Is it just one of the ISO's in the folder I need/
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 24, 2022, 03:21:13 pm
If i recall   you need to make 3 cd roms

the A is the installer  and the other 2  are options and or packages   i think
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 24, 2022, 04:13:42 pm
Built the 3 disks but A won't boot.  Tried the other two but they won't boot.  I have a windows XP build disk which I am sure will boot, but how it will affect the FSP40?
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 24, 2022, 04:34:06 pm
argh    there was some  cd's  with no boot sectors

You had to boot with floppies instead,    with UltraIso, you can extract the boot sector and integrate it to another iso disc, to make it bootable

I did it for oldies like win95 win98   etc ... to get rid of the darn floppies  loll


thats why i told you about a normal Xp installation,   when its possible   you   extract  the equipment backup / clone  image(s)  windows / system  folder location and put it into an usb key, and most of the time when windows need the drivers  you make it search the usb key for the drivers

Drivers come with inf,  cat,  dll's,  and other files,  backing up  "system" folder can help recover an unit  before it crash  ...
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 25, 2022, 08:51:26 am
Hi Ok, I now will go for the windows XP build, I have copied the micro Flash card and have the drivers etc.  But for some reason with my USB DVD rom drive I don't seem to be abable to start the CDROM.  Get the " Boot from CD :

I am sure previously I was able to boot using a XP build disc.

See screenshot

I am one who doesn't want to give up and put the FSP40 in the skip.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 25, 2022, 05:58:47 pm
normally at this message you have to push a keyboard   "enter"    to start installation,   i never found a way to get over this ??  but never done  a good search for this problem

Some talk here about this :
https://superuser.com/questions/490532/can-i-boot-format-and-install-windows-xp-without-a-keyboard

You can add an powered usb hub,  with your external cd-rom and a keyboard, and a mouse, some of them will work at boot ....   some mouse too

Microsoft keyboards and mouse usually work the best   .... at bios level   BUT    be sure you have keyboard enabled in the bios  ....

Not sure if this machine has  ps2 keyboard and or mouse plug(s)

Do not desperate, it can take time ....    to get it right


Check if your bios  has the option to boot from cd-rom,   but it seems to work already   from you photo

Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 02:11:44 pm
Hi coromonadalix

I have good news, my FSP40, has windows XP on a SATA drive I installed.  The Flash card installed was only 32MB and I thought as I had a spare SATA I would install that.

So it boots into windows I have a couple of hardware errors mainly connected with the motherboard inside.  I have a copy of the orginal flashcard with a C and a D drive.  But I am not sure how I install the R & S user interface for the SA.  Any advice on this part.

See attached photos.

Regards


Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 02:12:23 pm
Hardware profile of FSP40
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: DavidAlfa on November 26, 2022, 02:48:58 pm
So instead of trying the easy, simple way, copying the SYSTEM file from the restore point folder to system32, you reinstalled the whole thing  :-//
Did you made backup or not?

Luckly most people don't scrap the car for a flat tire.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 26, 2022, 04:17:08 pm
@DavidAlfa    Dont too critical,  the OP may or may not have experiece,  but he's getting somewhere now


@g7kbr67   if you have the system folder backup  and or the iso file of your equipment and extracted the same folder

With windows devices manager on each error  you can do an automatic or manual search for the drivers, DO A MANUAL search and point  where you have stored the repertory / files

It should be able to see and install the needed files   BUT sometimes     you need all the files and subdirectories of the system folder to be at the same place / in the same folder  for all the *.cat, *.dll's, *.inf, *.sys files  etc ...

Xp can do a search for drivers   but can be stupid at times ....

In the system properties   wich version of XP do you have, is it SP1 SP2 ???    you have a package update of XP SP3  available  to download
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/microsoft_windows_xp_service_pack_3.html (https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/microsoft_windows_xp_service_pack_3.html)

Install it  and reboot before going further,  it resolve a few things and upgrade some component BUT an XP SP2 windows is usually fine with equipment  IF  you do not let it go on the internet, if it has an network port on it

Since XP  is outdated and not secure in anyways for web stuff   but useful in a closed  network
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 04:37:11 pm
Hi

I have the following on the flash drive, I have not cleared that down.  All I have done is install a SATA drive and build windows xp and that all.  I have the following on the flash drive see from screenshot.

I can copy the flash card both C and D onto a DVD for safe keeping.

Regards

Paul

Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 04:38:03 pm
Hi

Can you confirm the location of the restore folder?

Regards


Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 04:43:03 pm
Hi coromonadalix

I have installed on the SATA drive windows pro and the SP2.

In the hardware profile, the only issues I can see are the motherboard drivers for interfaces, but will this cause issues with the FSP40.

The other thing I notice people are advising is to recover the restore point system to the system 32 folder, not sure the location of the retore point.

Regards

Paul

Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 04:56:58 pm
Hi

Is this the process to see the backup/retore point for windows xp?

Launch
Windows Explorer and go to Tools | Folder Options and click the View tab.
Select
the Show Hidden Files And Folders option button,
clear the Hide Protected Operating System Files check box, and click the Yes
button in the Warning dialog box. (If the system is in a workgroup, you’ll
need to clear the Use Simple File Sharing check box as well.) Click OK to
close the Folder Options dialog box.
Access
the root directory of the hard disk, right click on the System Volume
Information folder, select Properties and access the Security tab.
Click
the Add button, enter your user account name in the Select Users,
Computers, or Groups dialog box and click OK twice.
Now you can now access the System Volume Information folder
and view the files.

In order to ensure the security of the Restore Point files, you
should remove your user account from the System Volume Information folder once
you’ve finished your investigation.

Note: These steps
only apply to Windows XP Professional using NTFS.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 05:40:52 pm
Hi DavidAlfa

I now have visible the system volume information folder, but via my windows 10 machine I can access the folder.  See screenshot attached.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 26, 2022, 07:44:00 pm
well i think you're not understanding a few things  ... you're going too far for nothing

Do you have the instrument original files, a hard drive backup of your instrument before a complete installation  or iso  and or  backup files of your instrument, not from your personal computer


EDIT    im downloading your file from ko4bb.com   ill check  a few things
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 07:52:28 pm
Hi

Ok well , so I have a XP built on a SATA drive on the FSP40.  All I have is the original flash drive which was inside the unit.  This holds the following files: it (screenshot attached) has two drive letters.

Think like you said going down the route of an install on XP.

I need to know what I have on the old flash drive, can I install the R&S SA user interface.

I don't know what needs to be installed on the fresh XP drive?

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 26, 2022, 08:05:25 pm
im still downloading

see this :
https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/how-to-manually-install-a-driver-in-windows-xp/ (https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/how-to-manually-install-a-driver-in-windows-xp/)


do a search on your  old sd card ....  it may take a while,  it should normally find them,  and you do this for each  unknown device error you have

well the K4obb  website 1.2 gig iso  is a hell to navigate  it was not properly done / created multi parts  ..... 

and the RS webiste files are a pain, they still assume you work with floppies ??


download from this link  :   https://www.sendspace.com/file/a1mbnu (https://www.sendspace.com/file/a1mbnu)

Extract it,  in the  "FSP_450_SP5_GlorisZip"   folder you will see  "Disk 1"  folder, i have merged in it all the other cab files,  put this on an usb key  and start the setup.exe   it should go fine

for the "Extensions" folder,  "k40"  folder i did the same  as an example ....
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 09:00:01 pm
This is on my fresh install of windows xp? FSP_450_SP5_GlorisZip - 1.zip
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 09:10:47 pm
Ok, it is installing onto the FSP40 now, FSP_450_SP5_GlorisZip - 1.zip
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 26, 2022, 09:13:38 pm
Do I need to run the "Extensions" folder, or not.  I wasn't sure from your post.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: JeremyC on November 27, 2022, 02:24:34 am
Hi All

My last Plea for help, I have posted a couple of emails about the issue.  The Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt \WINNT\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\SYSTEM.   I took the top off and I have a Compact Flash drive with the following information on it. Part No. 1303.0417.07, Flash Disk for R&S FSP with Windows XP.

I don't have a Windows build embedded XP disk, or the analyzers build software and R&S have told me they can't help.  If only I had a friend who works in their repair\service department.

Could I just install a standard Windows XP build and install the firmware which I believe is still on the R&S website?  https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/firmware/fsp40/ (https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/firmware/fsp40/)

I would need to know on the old drive as I can still read the drive if I put it in a caddy, where the calibration data is for it.

Otherwise, the unit is a dustbin job.

Any help would be much apricated.

Regards


Paul P

Paul, you should try to use "Virtualbox" VM (it's free). Install Windows XP in new VM, link one of your USB ports with the VM and you're set. You may create snapshots of the VM before beginning and if something would go wrong you can always roll back to the before iteration in ~1 minute.
Link to Virtualbox:  https://www.virtualbox.org/ (https://www.virtualbox.org/)
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 27, 2022, 02:46:29 am
this is my last help, i think there is some misunderstanding, language barriers  or novice level in theses kind of problems

https://www.sendspace.com/file/m51gtx (https://www.sendspace.com/file/m51gtx)

This is the system32 files of the 1.2 gig iso link of ealier threads, extract them on a usb key and make windows search manually for them

There was an "firmware" folder too included ???  maybe they are the missing drivers  ???

and one New folder with  3x installable  *.msi files,  i dont know what they are ....

good luck
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 27, 2022, 05:57:27 am
Hi coromonadalix

Ok I really thank you for your help, but with please talk me through what I do with the three files, firmware, new folder and system 32.  Are these files for me to try and repair the old flash drive or for the new windows xp build?

I just need to understand what I need to do for the rebuild and I am sure I can sort this, i hope.

Thanks for your understanding.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 27, 2022, 06:25:29 am
Hi JeremyC

Thanks for the information.

Just need some guidance what I need to do to install the spectrum analyser back on the fresh install that is windows xp.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: alm on November 27, 2022, 10:43:34 am
I just need to understand what I need to do for the rebuild and I am sure I can sort this, i hope.

This is the system32 files of the 1.2 gig iso link of ealier threads, extract them on a usb key and make windows search manually for them
To rephrase coromonadalix's advice: Extract the system32 folder from that archive (ignore the other folders for now), and for each of the unknown devices in Device Manager, select search for driver, select manually search and select the system32 folder as the folder to search. If you need even more detailed step-by-step instructions, maybe it would help to have someone more experienced in setting up Windows XP to help? This has very little to do with the spectrum analyzer and is just setting up Windows XP with obscure drivers.

It should at least install drivers for some of the unknown devices, if not all of them.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 27, 2022, 11:39:11 am
Hi ALM

The Windows XP is at SP3 and the only hardware driver issues are shown in attached photo.

Thernet Controller
PCI Device
PCI Simple communication
Video controller
Video controller (VGA Compatible)

If I do a manual hardware drivers search and select the system32 folder, I don't get any updated drivers for these individual items.

I take it these are all relating to the motherboard inside the FSP40.

I am still not 100% sure where I get the actual software for the FSP40 spectrum analyser?  I know I can get firmware from the R & S website but is that only firmware.

Regards



Paul

Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: nctnico on November 27, 2022, 12:07:36 pm
I just need to understand what I need to do for the rebuild and I am sure I can sort this, i hope.

This is the system32 files of the 1.2 gig iso link of ealier threads, extract them on a usb key and make windows search manually for them
To rephrase coromonadalix's advice: Extract the system32 folder from that archive (ignore the other folders for now), and for each of the unknown devices in Device Manager, select search for driver, select manually search and select the system32 folder as the folder to search. If you need even more detailed step-by-step instructions, maybe it would help to have someone more experienced in setting up Windows XP to help? This has very little to do with the spectrum analyzer and is just setting up Windows XP with obscure drivers.

It should at least install drivers for some of the unknown devices, if not all of them.
There still is a possibility that the drivers are in a different directory. I'd take the entire image and search for all *.inf files in it. Maybe there is something that stands out like file in a Rohde & Schwarz or FSPxyz (xyz is whatever text) directory. And it is not uncommon for test equipment firmware to also include Windows drivers so the drivers may be installed in a directory when the application software is installed.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 27, 2022, 12:20:37 pm
Hi NCTNICO

Did do a search for the INF files and tried installing from the system32 folder.  But these are the motherboard drivers not the the actual R & S hardware modules.

It's so annoying I can't repair this 40GHz unit, knowing that all the mdules inside are ok, it's the corrupt operating system on the original flash card .

Flash card has
part no of 1303.0417.08 Labelled: Flash Disk for R & S FSP with windows XP.

Regards

Paul P
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: alm on November 27, 2022, 12:48:40 pm
Thernet Controller
PCI Device
PCI Simple communication
Video controller
Video controller (VGA Compatible)
My guess is that the unknown PCI device and PCI simple communication controller might be the devices that communicate with the RF hardware. Do the PCI device IDs resolve to anything common or to an unknown device with vendor R&S? There are PCI ID databases available online.

I am still not 100% sure where I get the actual software for the FSP40 spectrum analyser?  I know I can get firmware from the R & S website but is that only firmware.
If R&S doesn't make it available, then either from the downloads you already found or from the original drive. That's why I listed the availability of the custom drivers at the very beginning as a pre-requisite to make a Windows XP install do anything useful. Otherwise you just have a very big outdated desktop PC. After the drivers, the next challenge will be the the software.

Did do a search for the INF files and tried installing from the system32 folder.  But these are the motherboard drivers not the the actual R & S hardware modules.
Did you also search the original drive for .inf files? The installed drivers will likely be part of a file like OEM9.inf. which contains many other drivers. Let the driver installer worry about finding the driver within the .inf files.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: Qw3rtzuiop on November 27, 2022, 01:17:45 pm
Did you try that xp image yet?
http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=download&file=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP/A_complete_image_of_the_instruments_hard_drive.iso.zip (http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=download&file=Rohde_Schwarz/Rohde_Schwarz_FSP/A_complete_image_of_the_instruments_hard_drive.iso.zip)
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 27, 2022, 01:49:53 pm
Hi no, I haven't as yet, I don't have enough details of what FSP it is from it says NT4,  the FSP40 had XPE

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 27, 2022, 02:18:35 pm
What's the best way to install this iso onto a blank disk drive on the FSP40?

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: Qw3rtzuiop on November 27, 2022, 02:20:22 pm
There is an NT image and this .iso with xp. You could use HDDrawcopy
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 27, 2022, 03:29:08 pm
Not to be rude

I think you have to stop ...  and try to find someone beter experienced than you  for windows iso files and recovery procedures

Your equipment may be very good,   but you lack knowledge and experience,  and restarting a new setup installation can happen

For the errors you have,  you must learn  how to search  the hardwares id's  like  the VID and PID of the errors you have in the properties panel of each error

You have reading to do,  to help you understand what you are doing okay and are doing wrong


You could still use an older windows NT (Windows 2000) iso file to rebuild  and restart you equipment,  if it works okay, it will still be good

Between windows 2000  and windows XP  on some equipment, you wont gain very much, not speed, not efficiency, But it will work.


Try the KO4BB  iso file, restart a fresh setup and see  if it work  ...


I have seen your other answer on a other thread ..... 
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/rohdeschwarz-fsp-hdd-defect/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/rohdeschwarz-fsp-hdd-defect/)


You have to be patient,  it can take  time to solve your problem,  and you dont need to dump your equipment

I had problems like this in the past, it took me 2 weeks of search for some drivers,  to restart an equipment

I had to mix drivers from many equipments to make it work ......
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 27, 2022, 05:03:20 pm
Hi coromonadalix

Your not rude at all, unfortunately there isn't a document, which takes you through the process and what image works with which FSP40.

VID and PID, I have not delt with before, so yes, a learning curve.

I only put a question out in this feed, https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/rohdeschwarz-fsp-hdd-defect/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/rohdeschwarz-fsp-hdd-defect/) this was to Jorg.

You are lucky you had many pieces of equipment to get the drivers from.  I don't unfortunately.

I tried the XP image and put this on a spare drive, but after selecting the analyser from the list, not the backup on the startup screen, i get the blue scrreen.

I could try the NT version, but I can't open TIB files, some sort of backup.


Regards

Paul


Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: JeremyC on November 27, 2022, 08:15:06 pm
Hi coromonadalix

Your not rude at all, unfortunately there isn't a document, which takes you through the process and what image works with which FSP40.

VID and PID, I have not delt with before, so yes, a learning curve.

I only put a question out in this feed, https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/rohdeschwarz-fsp-hdd-defect/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/rohdeschwarz-fsp-hdd-defect/) this was to Jorg.

You are lucky you had many pieces of equipment to get the drivers from.  I don't unfortunately.

I tried the XP image and put this on a spare drive, but after selecting the analyser from the list, not the backup on the startup screen, i get the blue scrreen.

I could try the NT version, but I can't open TIB files, some sort of backup.


Regards

Paul

Paul, I checked the XP image and it’s image of Fujitsu MHT2030AT IDE hard drive. To my knowledge Windows XP didn’t have out of box SATA driver and it maybe the cause of BOD.
Suggestion:
- Connect the drive to you main computer using SATA-USB converter.
- Create virtual machine with this drive and make sure the VM uses IDE controller.
- Boot the virtual machine and install SATA driver for Windows XP, or apply Windows XP SP3.
- Shutdown the VM, move this hard drive back to your FSP and see if it works.

Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 28, 2022, 05:19:10 am
This XP version has slipstreamed SATA drivers  it seems

https://archive.org/details/windows-xp-professional-sp-3-nov-2013-inc-sata-drivers (https://archive.org/details/windows-xp-professional-sp-3-nov-2013-inc-sata-drivers)

32 and 64 bits ??  but not so sure for the 64 bit .... wich is not  needed in this case


Slipstream:  is a way to add into an cd installation more drivers than the original microsoft version(s), a time consuming process ...  i did a few times   


@JeremyC    i'm not sure the OP  even understand  what it means to play with VM disks or machine .... that's why i never talked about this possibility

@g7kbr67    try to show us   each error you have  AND  the hardware ID  like VID and PID,  you responses are there YOU need  to show us ...     Tell us the motherboard type if you can,  the motherboard chipset

You have free utilities like  CPU-Z,  you run it  and take some pictures  of the information it give on the panels it has  ... it could help you and us 

The:

Ethernet Controller
PCI Device
PCI Simple communication
Video controller
Video controller (VGA Compatible)

Could be all motherboard related,  PCI Device / Pci Simple Communication and or Video Controller could be sometimes the interface between the "Pc side" and the "Instrument side"

You need to dig out theses informations

check at 1:00  minutes and up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8t0eYpn_OA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8t0eYpn_OA)
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 28, 2022, 11:44:07 am
Hi coromonadalix

Thanks for the constructed message.

I will now, re-install a fresh version of windows XP, one question I have XP Home and XP Pro, is there a preference? I have SP2 and SP3, so I take it SP3 is the best option.

Using https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8t0eYpn_OA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8t0eYpn_OA) I will search for the hardware ID's I don't have drivers for.  Once all hardware has its correct drivers, I will let you know that as far as I can see no issues with the operating system on the SA.

Then I will need to know what I load on next, regarding the R and S software GUI.  I take it this will be in one of the 3 folders you posted over the weekend.  In doing this step by step, I wil document the process.

Best Regards


Paul



 
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 28, 2022, 12:01:10 pm
Install pro  when available, it has more options

I extracted the K4OBB A_complete_image_of_the_instruments_hard_drive.iso.zip iso file  with 3x .*ntfs  files in it,  it was made by 7-zip, and the bootable option is broken ???

But i  think you should not reinstall  it,   your windows is working  but need a few things

This  is the INF folder of the installed windows  iso file archive,   make your  widows device manager  search in this folder once extracted

https://www.sendspace.com/file/n90y6a (https://www.sendspace.com/file/n90y6a)

Windows may need more files,  just   tell us  their name
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 29, 2022, 08:10:20 pm
Hi coromonadalix

OK, did as you said and managed to install a few hardware devices, in device manager.

I can only add one photo at a time on the forum, so see the following three posts.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 29, 2022, 08:11:23 pm
Hi coromonadalix

Post two

OK, did as you said and managed to install a few hardware devices, in device manager.

I can only add one photo at a time on the forum, so see the following three posts.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 29, 2022, 08:12:04 pm
Hi coromonadalix

Post Three

OK, did as you said and managed to install a few hardware devices, in device manager.

I can only add one photo at a time on the forum, so see the following three posts.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 29, 2022, 10:06:52 pm
try theses  too,  we are getting somewhere

WDM folder

https://www.sendspace.com/file/1vnxcl (https://www.sendspace.com/file/1vnxcl)

make device manager search in this too

For the REG "registry files"  you click escape on them and then  add them / install them in the registry  ... it will add a few things / settings

Same thing for the INF files, you click escape on them and install .....

Not sure of the executables in this folder,  you can try to run them ...

the MSI files too are installables, they must or will or should add the 488 interface ...
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 29, 2022, 10:14:33 pm
you have this web page to search    devices

https://devicehunt.com/ (https://devicehunt.com/)

VEN_1093        refers to National Instruments   

https://devicehunt.com/view/type/pci/vendor/1093 (https://devicehunt.com/view/type/pci/vendor/1093)

But DEV_C850  seems a mystery,  and no its not an toshiba c850    loll


you have the :   RsTnt488.inf  in the WDM folder i've sent you,  the file contains the right DEV and PID      install this INF file

EDIT 1:  seems to redirect

;%DevDesc2%=PCI_GPIB_TNT,PCI\VEN_1093&DEV_C850 ( not more used for R&S devices! Please use rsgpib.inf )

i'll try to find this one


EDIT 2  loll  man   you make me search ...

https://www.sendspace.com/file/96gdi0 (https://www.sendspace.com/file/96gdi0)

FR7  folder

Same here  install all    INF, EXE'S,  MSI  files ....
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 29, 2022, 10:17:24 pm
DEV_8086&DEV_3582

this one is  the internal video chipset 

82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device

http://deviceinbox.com/id/ven-8086-dev-3582.html (http://deviceinbox.com/id/ven-8086-dev-3582.html)

small question to answer to download the drivers
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 29, 2022, 10:51:08 pm
With all of this  you should have answered all the XP  device manager errors ....     now the tricky part is the get the R&S  software   running
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 30, 2022, 08:26:27 am
Hi coromonadalix

"With all of this  you should have answered all the XP  device manager errors ....     now the tricky part is the get the R&S  software   running"

I though the install of R & S would be easier, you will need to remind me the steps for installing this software, is it a setup.exe file and then we are up and running?

I will try these drives later tonight and hopefully by the end of the night all hardware will be happy with its associated, sys/inf file etc.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on November 30, 2022, 11:10:21 am
For now   

We answer the Computer side of the istrument,  to make Windows happy  and functional

For the Rhode & Shwartz  Software   It is a second step
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on November 30, 2022, 09:40:07 pm
Hi coromonadalix

The Graphics drivers are now installed, the only device which isn't happy is the R & S device.

I tried:

you have the :   RsTnt488.inf  in the WDM folder i've sent you,  the file contains the right DEV and PID      install this INF file

EDIT 1:  seems to redirect
;%DevDesc2%=PCI_GPIB_TNT,PCI\VEN_1093&DEV_C850 ( not more used for R&S devices! Please use rsgpib.inf )
i'll try to find this one


EDIT 2  loll  man   you make me search ...
https://www.sendspace.com/file/96gdi0 (https://www.sendspace.com/file/96gdi0)
FR7  folder

I will take some screenshots of the messages shown when, I tried the above and feed back to you.

The photo showing the R & S hardware is the last one to fix.

regards


Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on December 01, 2022, 01:30:16 am
this photo  does not help   we need the VID and PID  to identify the problem
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: nctnico on December 01, 2022, 09:12:02 pm
You can attache multiple files. Just click '(more attachements)' under the button that open the file selection.
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on December 01, 2022, 09:18:00 pm
Hi coromonadalix

I tried your two solutions for the drivers for the last device manager issue, but still has a problem.  See screenshots attached.

I have attached three screenshots.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: gslick on December 01, 2022, 09:30:05 pm
Hi coromonadalix

I tried your two solutions for the drivers for the last device manager issue, but still has a problem.  See screenshots attached.

I have attached three screenshots.

Regards

Paul

Just a tip, you can use ALT-PrintScreen to capture the contents of a window and paste that into mspaint, and then save it as a PNG file, and get a perfectly readable image capture, which is also probably smaller in file size than taking a blurry photo of a screen...
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on December 01, 2022, 09:40:47 pm
These are higher RES, see attachments
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on December 01, 2022, 09:47:29 pm
The FR7 folder starts installing and then stop and gives the error on picture 2 in this attachment.  I have also included a couple of other screenshots.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on December 02, 2022, 01:01:37 am
try this one (attached)
use device manual installation to search in this folder

The inf file :

%GPIBDRV.DRVDESC%=GPIBDRV_Inst, PCI\VEN_1093&DEV_C801
%GPIBDRV.DRVDESC%=GPIBDRV_Inst, PCI\VEN_1093&DEV_C811
%GPIBDRV.DRVDESC%=GPIBDRV_Inst, PCI\VEN_1093&DEV_C850
%GPIBDRV.DRVDESC%=GPIBDRV_Inst, PCI\VEN_1093&DEV_7259
%GPIBDRV.DRVDESC%=GPIBDRV_Inst, PCI\VEN_1093&DEV_71AD
%GPIBDRV.DRVDESC%=GPIBDRV_Inst, PCI\VEN_1093&DEV_70CF

refers to :

WDF PCI Driver Service for NI TNT4882/TNT5004 GPIB Controller

and report back
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on December 02, 2022, 04:19:59 am

Hi Coromonadalix

That last device driver worked and, I now have no more hardware issues in device manager.  Which is good news.

Now for the installation of the software for the analyser.

What would be my first steps for this, I know you have probably sent me the links for the files already.

Regards

Paul 
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on December 02, 2022, 11:07:23 am
Be sure to keep all the softwares i have sent you in the links from send space,  they will dissapear in a few days

The last driver took me many many hours of search to find them,   and they come from an old HP System ??



Have you tried all the software from R & S ??   The "firmwares files"

https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/firmware/fsp40/ (https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/firmware/fsp40/)

And the last one " the service pack 1.20"

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Explications

With a special software i extracted the  hard drive image " FUJITSU_MHT2030AT_Media "   registry,  Windows 11  would not let me load the Hive ..

And i see  what the old windows does start

REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\TempKeyRR0\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]
"StartupScreen"="C:\\winnt\\system32\\StartupScreen.exe"
"ShutdownTool"="shutdown.exe"
"DowngradeAgent"="C:\\Program Files\\Rohde&Schwarz\\DowngradeAgent\\DowngradeAgent.exe"

In the old windows\system32\
there is 5 startup files

StartupScreen.exe
StartupScreen_ESCI.exe
StartupScreen_ESPI.exe
StartupScreen_FSP.exe
StartupScreen_FSQ.exe
StartupScreen_FSU.exe

A shutdown Tool
In the old windows\system32\

shutdown.exe

-----------------

And finally i think all the R&S  software(s)  installation

"DowngradeAgent"="C:\\Program Files\\Rohde&Schwarz\\DowngradeAgent\\DowngradeAgent.exe"


Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on December 02, 2022, 11:29:24 am
Hi Coromonadalix

As yet I haven't moved forward on the R & S firmware files.  I will try this over the weekend, hopefully I will be popping the Champaign on Sat.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: coromonadalix on December 02, 2022, 11:34:28 am
If this new installation is on a SD-Card,    in a last resort  if the R&S softwares doesn't work

You may need to revert back to an old windows 2000 iso image  to get something working ???

I helped you resolve every aspect of the Computer side of the Instrument 

But the R&S  Software(s) is another thing ....   

And this time i may not be able to help
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on December 02, 2022, 11:46:31 am
Hi coromonadalix

I am curious to know, has as far as you know any members on the group rebuilt the drive and got the R & S software working.

It would be good to know.

What equipment have you got running after a rebuild, what's your test equipment setup?

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: shashitej on July 03, 2023, 09:53:38 am
Hi,

Iam facing the same problem, windows working fine, but R&S drivers when copied and loaded ,a blackscreen is displayed instead of R&S FSP window for a couple of seconds and then reverts back to winxp

Any help with this issue will be highly appreciated
regards
SHASHI
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on July 23, 2024, 10:38:56 am
Hi there

Did you ever fix your spectrum analyser FSP30/40.

Regards
Title: Re: FSP30/40 embedded windows xp for spectrum analyzer.
Post by: g7kbr67 on August 03, 2024, 07:03:19 pm
Hi

Did you ever fix your FSP30/40.  I am still looking for an image of a good hard drive.  The image I downloaded worked but only as a FSP7.

Regards


Paul