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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #175 on: April 23, 2016, 12:17:25 am »
Anyhow, to make things easy for you, I hereby provide you a photo of the new XDS series and a link :)

Professional design look of new XDS series from OWON



That not just looks like a toy, indeed, but looks even unusable. Look at that big channel knobs with hardly any depth being too near to each other. That knobs would be always in the way to my fingers when setting another one.
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #176 on: April 23, 2016, 12:25:56 am »
With all respect, but I believe that the distance in between the channel knobs on the OWON,
is the same as on the GW Instek. Maybe slightly smaller, but it's almost the same.

Another solution is to work less hard, to keep "white collar" fingers, instead of "blue collar" fingers :)

That traditional Philips PM scope looked pretty professional actually.

Note that there is a difference between looking beautiful and looking professional.
Of course both can be united, with the right design style.

But to put it in perspective: the traditional Philips PM scope was not beautiful, but at least it
did not look like a toy. The overall look&feel was very professional.

The GW Instek looks ugly and does not look professional whatsoever.

Looking at all the combinations, we can come up with the following table:

1) Beautiful and professional look: Keysight, Tektronix, Also Rigol, Siglent and New Owon XDS series
2) Ugly but professional look: Older Philips PM scopes
3) Beautiful toy: Older Owon scopes
4) Ugly toy: GW Instek

In fact the older GW Instek scopes looked much nicer! They were a 3 or some maybe a 1.
What happened with their old designer? At least it would be interesting to find out :)

That's similar like what happened with Renault.
The old Renault cars like Renault Saffrane were looking very nice.
Until they got this new designer in house. Now all Renault cars are extremely ugly.
Rounds everywhere.... who says round designs are better than sharp designs.
Of course some rounds are okey.. but please don't go too far.

In fact, Dacia, Eastern European, but owned by Renault, looks much nicer than Renault itself!
Yes you read this correct, for all you French Renault afficionados! :)
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #177 on: April 23, 2016, 01:21:37 am »

Sorry I couldn't resist. :-DD
Now I really have to go and sleep.
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #178 on: April 23, 2016, 03:08:08 am »
Have you seen the video from Dave Jones about the GW Instek GDS-1000B oscilloscope?
Then you will know what I mean about fabricated prototyping boards that were put together in a hurry,
almost like they had to be ready in time to show off their product on a tradeshow :)
They are not prototyping boards, I say it again  :palm:. GDS-1000B is a very cheap scope with a very beefy hardware. So they must cut the corners to sell it at this price. That CPU/FPGA board must be at least 8 layers, I guess. On the other hand, the front end + ADC is doable on 4 layer board, which it likely is.
EDIT: BTW, likely they didn't pay any premium for that display adapter board. It seems to be from the same panel as the front end board (taken from that cutout on the corner). The reason why they need it? Well, display has a built in flex cable which is too short to connect it directly.
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #179 on: April 23, 2016, 05:42:24 am »
1) Beautiful and professional look: Keysight, Tektronix, Also Rigol, Siglent and New Owon XDS series
2) Ugly but professional look: Older Philips PM scopes
3) Beautiful toy: Older Owon scopes
4) Ugly toy: GW Instek

These would be called personal preferences. To me the Rigols look like a toy, especially the DS1000Zs, but also the DS2000A (I own a DS2072A). For me, the Owon XDS are very ugly and toylike. I do like the look of the Siglents  and the Agilents. And the GW Instek looks fine, don't love it or hate it. Of course none of that really matters, as long as the scope is functional.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #180 on: April 23, 2016, 06:03:59 am »
In fact the older GW Instek scopes looked much nicer! They were a 3 or some maybe a 1.
What happened with their old designer? At least it would be interesting to find out :)
Except the black display bezel, front panel design is basically the same as 10+ years ago.


 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #181 on: April 23, 2016, 06:14:03 am »
I am just watching again Dave's video, and here is my personal opinion:

Dave has not reviewed the GDS-2000E series.
The issues he found do not exist in my GDS-2072E.
Concerning this discussion of looks, I think it is completely subjective and leads to nowhere. Its empty.

Concerning Owon, nobody mentioned what Dave said in his review (a piece of...)
By the way, somebody is got to play with the new Owon. Sorry, but really looks toyish. Responsiveness? (See 5:40) And I really doubt it has any visual persistence. So what would be Daves conclusion about it? Lets wait.
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #182 on: April 23, 2016, 06:48:21 am »

Concerning this discussion of looks, I think it is completely subjective and leads to nowhere. Its empty.

You can change it.

Just make some tiny tests and show real data. Las time I have asked data, this thread is full filled with some kind of childish beauty contest.

Some points where can start.

- segmented memory acquistion speeds. (minimum continuous trig interval (it can see using segments time stamps)
- wfm/s  speed using various settings.  (it can measure using simple pulse generator when no trig out)
- pass/fail mask test speed in case where all wfm's pass and in case all wfm's fails in test. (this can do using pass/fail counter and example stopwatch or better if signal generator using some signal, example 1MHz sinewave 1s long period, normal trigger (not auto) and after then read pass fail counter, there can see how many test it have run on ione second. (adjusted so that signal pass all and then again so that signal fails all in test (sidenote: last time I tested Rigol1kZ in this case speed is more like 1test/s than 10000/s and I believe (but this is not religion exept without real data. Data can not change with opinions) that GWI  2kE is much faster.)
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #183 on: April 23, 2016, 07:38:21 am »
Responsiveness? (See 5:40) And I really doubt it has any visual persistence.


Responsiveness. There user push + and -. How you make adjustment if it change settings more fast. If it is bit more fast you adjust always over, then back and agen over and then agen...  speed need be adjusted so that average user can do adjustment without many times iteration. I have used it, quite lot.  This video guy clearly have never used it before he turn video camera on with nearly total lack of experience and knowledge what he is doing. Sad.

There is persistence display mode if it is turned on. (it do its work but it is very conventional, 1 to some second and infinite what do not give very "beautiful" visual effect but with it can work. Also in some cases I hope they change white-yellow contrast better when use persistence)
(persistence is used and visible in my some test images)
But real fast intensity gradation there is not in XDS3k - nothing like Siglent what have exellent intensity gradient display in this class.
 
Also I have not seen at all well working intensity gradient display in GDS2kE.

But, I hope I get some day data for some things what I have asked or I need buy one for show these.
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #184 on: April 23, 2016, 08:01:37 am »
You're kiddin', right? I mean, pretty much everything OWON made looks like a damn toy. Not saying it's not good gear (I don't know, I have no experience with OWON) but the looks of OWON gear is cheap and toy-ish, much more than anything else I've seen.

I know very well, that OWON scopes in the past used to look like toys.

But I explicitly referred to the XDS series from OWON, which you have either overlooked,
or you did not bother to take the time and google on it.

I have seen the XDS....

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Anyhow, to make things easy for you, I hereby provide you a photo of the new XDS series and a link :)

Professional design look of new XDS series from OWON



... and as much as I like that they came out with a very cheap 12bit scope it still looks, very much, like a cheap toy.  :--

The left half with the screen is actually OK but I really dislike the knobs/button area, which pretty much looks like the spread a lot tiny buttons on overly wide spaced segments. The knobs look really cheap, too, a bit like the knobs on older Siglent scopes (i.s. SDS1000CML). It looks a bit like OWON tried to copy the Tektronix MDO5k look and gave up half-way in the process. Which is a shame, really, as it seems to be an interesting scope.

But there's nothing "professional" in these looks. It pretty much looks like what it is - a cheap Chinese B-brand scope.

The other thing is that OWON doesn't only look like a toy, it also feels like one (t least ones I had occasion to touch did, they must have used the cheapest plastics they could find). I really hope the actual build quality of this scope is better than the (admittedly older) OWONs I have seen.

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Have you seen the video from Dave Jones about the GW Instek GDS-1000B oscilloscope?

Yes, I have. And as with others of his videos, I'm not sure I would share all of Dave's criticism in this one, too.

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Then you will know what I mean about fabricated prototyping boards that were put together in a hurry,
almost like they had to be ready in time to show off their product on a tradeshow :)

Maybe. But that doesn't matter. By now people have told you probably a hundred times that the GDS-2000E uses a single board.

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I have to admit that this was on their entry model, the GDS-1000B series, but it could very well be,
that they use the same design practise on the GDS-2000E series, as both scopes were released in the same delivery time window (a few months ago), and both scopes are cosmetically the same from the outside.

Maybe, maybe not, but how about you stop speculating wildly and listen to the people here that actually have the scope instead?  :palm:

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Non-mainstream design look of GDS-1000B series from GW Instek



Non-mainstream design look of GDS-2000E series from GW Instek




As others have already said, GW Instek uses pretty much the same design since forever. I guess they're overly conservative, but then I'd say as long as it's just boring and bland (and it is) but isn't counter-productive then that's fine. Could they do more to make it less bland? Certainly. Is it a bad scope just because of the boring design? Absolutely not.

And while the GW Instek looks bland, they are not the only one. This is the scope I pretty much work with every day:





That's a Keysight DSO90kA, and while it's a great and very powerful high bandwidth scope the front doesn't look like a lot, does it? Considering that this once was Keysight's highest bandwidth real-time scope, the front doesn't really look like much. But then, does it matter? Especially when there isn't much wrong with the controls layout, or the (physical) user interface in general (the touchscreen UI is a different story, though).
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #185 on: April 23, 2016, 09:39:03 am »
I fixed the whining noise problem! I have put two ordinary 4700uf / 10V capacitors across the - what I think are- 5V and 3.3V outputs and the noise is gone. I also checked the PSU switching frequency using the FFT function and the harmonics around 5kHz are gone. The fix is easy to implement as well (see the pictures):

At that point I started to like this scope, I've found this. omg. But respect for investigate and fixing the problem!
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #186 on: April 23, 2016, 10:32:17 am »
Looking at all the combinations, we can come up with the following table:

1) Beautiful and professional look: Keysight, Tektronix, Also Rigol, Siglent and New Owon XDS series
2) Ugly but professional look: Older Philips PM scopes
3) Beautiful toy: Older Owon scopes
4) Ugly toy: GW Instek

In fact the older GW Instek scopes looked much nicer! They were a 3 or some maybe a 1.
What happened with their old designer? At least it would be interesting to find out :)

That's simply your personal preference which isn't necessarily related with reality.

I already said that I think the OWON XDS looks like an ugly toy, and in fact is even worse than the GW Instek which just looks bland.

Siglent looks OK, some of their knobs are a bit cheap and with the SDS2000 the rotary knobs for multi-function and trigger were positioned too closely (fixed with the DSD2000X), but overall the layout is fine.

Rigol's smaller scopes (DS1000z, DS2000, DS4000) have some style that is reminiscent of some '80s sci-fi theme but overall it's OK. Again some knobs are a bit cheap but that's it.

None of these scopes looks particular premium level, but for me the OWON is the worst of the bunch, because it doesn't just look bland like the GW Instek, it looks really cheap. Even when compared with other B-brands.

In terms of design, I actually find dark colors more attractive, even more so when it's combined with some nice usability features like a pivotable display:




But at the end of the day, looks are down to personal taste. Which to discuss is pointless, really.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #187 on: April 23, 2016, 11:05:43 am »
Yupp, scopes coming from different manufacturers are not - as we without doubt can see in all photos - lookalikes. We have to, in one way or another, try to reconcile with the fact. All have their favorite looking things and that being the same as when we choose our beloved life partner. The outside may or may not look as we wish, but the inside and theirs function (don't think dirty because it is some kind of parallel to scopes) are well within your demands. Having said that, doesn't it apply to scopes as well?  ::)
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #188 on: April 23, 2016, 11:57:41 am »
 For my eyes the black bezel it is very beautiful, entire scope it is the most beautiful from the chinese scopes but when you use it, when I push the buttons on the bezel, I feel very confusing. I can't did the difference very fast between the bezel and the display. I must to stop for a second to see and to understand which is bezel which is display. For operate the scope, the bezel it is better to be white colour.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #189 on: April 23, 2016, 12:52:41 pm »
Yes, I know there is not trigger out but it can test also with different methods. Also segmented acquistion maximum trigger/acquistion speed is extremely easy to check. Just calculate from segment time stamps over example 1000 or 10000 segments.
That method doesn't work because you'll get the average time for triggering/re-arming and don't know whether you missed a pulse or not. The only way which works is to send a burst with 100, 1000 pulses (or even more) and adjust the time between each pulse so that the segmented recording captures each pulse (you end up with a number of segments equal to the number of pulses send). That way you know the worst case trigger/re-arm time.
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #190 on: April 24, 2016, 08:28:44 am »
Yes, I know there is not trigger out but it can test also with different methods. Also segmented acquistion maximum trigger/acquistion speed is extremely easy to check. Just calculate from segment time stamps over example 1000 or 10000 segments.
That method doesn't work because you'll get the average time for triggering/re-arming and don't know whether you missed a pulse or not. The only way which works is to send a burst with 100, 1000 pulses (or even more) and adjust the time between each pulse so that the segmented recording captures each pulse (you end up with a number of segments equal to the number of pulses send). That way you know the worst case trigger/re-arm time.

Of course, who have told anything else.  It give only information what kind of speed range we are. But this test even first time novice can do without aany experience, without any knowledge, with very simple equipments. Of course if people know and can do more perfect test it is better. More perfect more better.
But still it looks that no one who have hands on GDS2kE do not want do even simpliest tests for even some data. Of course if test method is explained reader can then think how to read these results.
So, why this silence about real data.

(Sidenote: It looks like "beauty contest" is more interesting. What this tell?  Perhaps many peoples use oscilloscopes and other tools only for decorate they hobby corner. This is good wink also for manufacturers. They may start producing hobby corner decorating "looks like professional" boxes. Something like "credibility on the street" in camera world. 
This business idea is free for all. Let's make "professional" "High-End" looks like cheap boxes for decorating hobby labs. (this same was times ago in audio world when some Japanese companies start making "professional" looks like total junk for peoles who want feel they are "audio enthusiasts".  I remember well this trend in 80-90 era.)


Of course if triggering/re-arming works exactly without any variations it give quite accurate result. In this case if input frequency is enough high we do not care dropped but we have pushed it to capturing segments as fast as it can. Oh, if nitpick then not exatly. In worst case if trigger event happend just before it is ready (name it time A)  for next capture we need wait next trigger event in our input signal. If it is 100MHz we need wait 10ns - how much before A  previous edge was. In worst case we need wait 10ns - very short time. So, in this case if scope can do exactly 1us period trig/capture we get this sad period 1010ns.

Situations change lot if oscilloscope  triggering/re-arming have lot of variations. More variations and more wrong this method result is if we are looking speed what do not miss any pulse even in lot of segments. This is true.
But method is still so easy that even novice can do it without any good tools but some kind of signal generator what give enough high frequency.
But, if there is lot of variations in triggering/re-arming result is average and if variation is high lowest bulletproof segments/s speed may be lot of below average when we do not accept any pulse lost.

It is really really sad if segmented acquisition have widely random triggering/re-arming time. But all kind of shit can still name "segmented memory acquisition" in sellers advertisemenents. Good example is in Rigol where is just some kind of slow "frame recorder" together with very badly implemented mask test. Then we wander why lot of users underestimate these tools power in use. Of course they underestimate these tools because they do not have these tools or tools they have are just crap toys. After then we hear opinions that these tools are nearly for nothing. Yes, if they are shit they are just names in sellers advertisemenst features list. Of course they still may have some useful use.

Siglent SDS2000 is faster than SDS1000X. Processing power is faster and acquisition / digital side triggering engine is faster.

So, I take this slower SDS1000X and test it.
In new FW P06 they have touched to Sequence acquisition (I do not explain this change here)
There is big improvement in this function useability value but also perhaps some small disadvantages. (there is not free lounges)

Test: (test repeated also so many times that I can be enough  sure (for me)  and result is not just random lottery win)
This scope reach maximum segment/s speed with 50ns/div where segment lenght is 700 points and one channel in use.
With this setting maximum amount of segments is 45526.
I have previously measured max ~500k segments/s speed. Still now if use low amount of segments say example 100 it can "randomly" capture all without lost if burst 100.

Bit more hard test.
45526 segment.
50ns/div
CH1 OR CH2 in use.
Here do not matter anything if sinc on or off and if dots or lines etc. (of course, this is segmented memory acq.)
Signal 100ns pulse.
Burst lenght 45526 pulse.
Pulse frequency 486 kHz.

I run this 20 times sequentially and every time it capture every pulse. Exactly.
No any single misssed pulse. It can say that speed maximum is least 486ksegment/s

All other settings same but now signal 80MHz sinewave. (with this freq it do not reach maximum average, but near. Because cycle period is 12.5ns. Best case trig happend just when system is ready and worst case 12.5ns later if nitpick)
Read time stamps difference over 45525 intervals and result is average speed 497.25 ksegment/s

SDS2000 is bit faster than this SDS1000X




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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #191 on: April 24, 2016, 10:13:22 am »
I agree that Rigol and Owon look like toys, the Instek looks like a tool, if a bit uninspired. Would love a teardown of this, will need a second scope soon and this one caught my eye.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #192 on: April 24, 2016, 11:12:26 am »
Can not resist, looks like bit more professional (are there any other things in oscilloscope?)


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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #193 on: April 24, 2016, 11:13:59 am »
@RF-loop: did the stupid test: 123000 segments/s (length= 1000 points and 1Gs/s)
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #194 on: April 24, 2016, 11:27:54 am »
@RF-loop: did the stupid test: 123000 segments/s (length= 1000 points and 1Gs/s)

Number without any explanation about test condition?
But this is, how I say - typical. Lot of nitpick if someone say something and test something (nearly all is junk in your opinion) but then your own tests and  data is like this. But more than nothing. Is this also how they define 120kwfm/s update rate (like LeCroy)

Some definition for stupid test?



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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #195 on: April 24, 2016, 11:38:06 am »
As you wrote: take 1000 segments with a high frequency input signal (several MHz) and divide the total time by the number of segments.
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #196 on: April 24, 2016, 01:03:57 pm »
This is for rf-loop

Have used Mark Madel's method to measure the waveform update rate on my toy ( :-DD) GDS-2000E oscilloscope. Used a 10Hz square wave, triggered on both edges and sampling set to normal.

At 200ns I could not find the dead time so I gave up after 10 minutes as it was Saturday and I needed a beer. So at 500ns we have 122K updates/s, near enough for me.

This was only on channel 1 so I intend to repeat this test with more channels.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #197 on: April 25, 2016, 10:58:52 am »
This is for rf-loop

Have used Mark Madel's method to measure the waveform update rate on my toy ( :-DD) GDS-2000E oscilloscope. Used a 10Hz square wave, triggered on both edges and sampling set to normal.

At 200ns I could not find the dead time so I gave up after 10 minutes as it was Saturday and I needed a beer. So at 500ns we have 122K updates/s, near enough for me.

This was only on channel 1 so I intend to repeat this test with more channels.

Interesting result. But also strange if you do not find 200ns/div dead time..

With this method Siglent SDS1000X.
Normally, measured from Trig out using second oscilloscope what also show acquisitions burst time and scope processing busy time when processing data and updating image.
This method I trust without doupt and it give continuous wfm/s and other data how acquisition cycle go.
With this method SDS1000X give its maximum 60kwfm/s (just bit over) what is also specified max speed.
Inside ine display refresh cycle there is burst speed around 70kwfm/s.

But, then this method without trigger out.
50ns/div,   combined these two pulses method 181kwfm/s  (pulses delayed so that later pulse can also trig. Pulses, 50ns and 100ns are combined both to one input. Pulses rising edges distance 5.3ns start give frequent trig. Reliable continuous trig to both edge 5.5us. (checked also from acquisition history so that both exists exactly alternately in history memory)

single pulse 10Hz freq,  rising/falling trigger give 181kwfm/s  (continuous not blinking rising falling trig figure with pulse lenght 5.5us )

SDS1000X
So, Trigger output counting (not missed pulses with poor counters) 61kwfm
Other two method without scope trigger output  181kwfm/s.
And more fun, now dots/lines etc do not change anything in this speed.


This do not mean that these other methods always give wrong result.
In Siglent case they give around 3 times too fast result with some settings. (other settings may give less or even more difference to avarage max).

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1000x-series-oscilloscopes/msg926963/#msg926963


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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #198 on: May 17, 2016, 08:20:41 pm »
Hello all,

Wanted to share a video I just uploaded (sorry for some lack of sharpness, my first video), showing the FFT resolution capability of my GDS-2072E scope. It is awesome! For low frequency analysis, like audio applications (which I am mostly involved with) the capabilities of this scope are amazing. No chance to get that on Rigol DS1000Z or even 2000 series scopes.

https://youtu.be/ciTf-T-q2i0
 
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-2000E oscilloscope released
« Reply #199 on: May 17, 2016, 09:48:01 pm »
Cool! I didn't know it could do that. Time for some playing...  It can show up 10 highest peaks in an event table and/or use a horizontal bar to find peaks even if they are off screen and also use the event table to jump to a peak (centre it on screen).
I did have a problem though: my GDS2204E locked up after the self test. Probably the power-on defaults got screwed up. I solved this by pressing the default button just as it finished it's self test. Worked first time so  :phew:
« Last Edit: May 17, 2016, 09:51:33 pm by nctnico »
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