Hack of Sigllent spectrum analyzer ssa3021X?

[tv84]

Given the problems faced by some users when applying the .ADS, is it possible to alternatively upgrade/convert the SSAX+

The problems surrouding the NAND dump script for SSAX has nothing to do with SSAX+ crossflashing! Please don't mix  these matters.

[olc]

Given the problems faced by some users when applying the .ADS, is it possible to alternatively upgrade/convert the SSAX+

The problems surrouding the NAND dump script for SSAX has nothing to do with SSAX+ crossflashing! Please don't mix  these matters.

Ooops! Thanks for clarification, @tv84: my mind were confused as to what version it applied. Sorry for that!

[mrprecision]

Can the Siglent SSA3021X be hacked to SSA3021X with the actual firmware?

[mawyatt]

Yes it can be "upgraded" to a SSA3032X Plus and then "upgraded" to a SVA1032X.

I was able to do this with the helpful folks on here.


Best,

[Bicurico]

Yes it can be "upgraded" to a SSA3032X Plus and then "upgraded" to a SVA1032X.

I was able to do this with the helpful folks on here.


Best,

That is not true!

The question was: "Can the Siglent SSA3021X be hacked to SSA3021X with the actual firmware?"

There are two different modelos:
SSA3021X
SSA3021X Plus

The SSA3021X can be hacked to a SSA3032X with full options, but it cannot be hacked into a PLUS/SVA model, since the hardware is different.

Regards,
Vitor

[mawyatt]

Yes it can be "upgraded" to a SSA3032X Plus and then "upgraded" to a SVA1032X.

I was able to do this with the helpful folks on here.


Best,

That is not true!

The question was: "Can the Siglent SSA3021X be hacked to SSA3021X with the actual firmware?"

There are two different modelos:
SSA3021X
SSA3021X Plus

The SSA3021X can be hacked to a SSA3032X with full options, but it cannot be hacked into a PLUS/SVA model, since the hardware is different.

Regards,
Vitor

Correction the SSA3021X Plus can be upgraded to a SSA3032X Plus which can be expanded to a SVA1032X.

Best,

[uski]

Hi !

I have just carefully read the 36 pages of this thread. I am looking to buy a SSA3021X Plus (which will likely have the latest firmware from factory), to convert it to a SVA1032X. However I could not find the procedure, just someone saying they have done it.

Can someone help me ?

Thanks

[EDIT] Of course after hours of searching, I post the question, and then seconds after posting the question, I finally find the answer here : https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ssa3000x-spectrum-analyzers/msg3180754/#msg3180754
Hope this helps someone else

[Kibabalu]

I successfully converted my SSA3021x FW V3.2.2.3.2 Plus to a SVA1032X FW V2.2.1.2.8 with all options.

So far so good and many thanks to all of the guys making this possible. I'm really impressed by the knowledge of some people here. Respect!

At the moment there is just one Question left: What's about going to the SVA FW V3.2.2.3.2? Have somebody done it?

[rf-loop]

Pease... order!
Why this total mess between models.
Please keep SSA3000X Plus (with and SVA1000X) and then whole older SSA3000X models in different threads. This thread is about SSA3000X.  Is it difficult?  Or is it that fingers are more fast than brains.
They are different instruments!

[Kibabalu]

Reading thru the thread makes the limitation to non-plus models not very obvious. There's also another thread about both models where the hacking topic have been swapped out to here.

So, limitation to non-plus models seems to be nothing more that your wish. Sorry!

[tv84]

So, limitation to non-plus models seems to be nothing more that your wish. Sorry!

Have you simply read the thread title? If so, where does it contain the word "Plus"?

The fact that in the last 10 posts or so there were some OT  regarding the Plus version, which BTW only confuses SSAX newbies, doesn't transform the thread in a Plus version.

Also, your question NOW seem to be of a SVA nature, as such, technically it would be OT in either a SSAX or a SSAX+ thread. "Sorry!"

[Kibabalu]

I just gave an answer to the question in #881, wether it is possible to do the hack with the newest possible Firmware or not, because I did it (mainly based on your work, thanks a lot for it).

Sorry!

[rf-loop]

So, limitation to non-plus models seems to be nothing more that your wish. Sorry!

...  regarding the Plus version, which BTW only confuses SSAX newbies,

Just and only this what you said - due to reasons.
In worst case some peoples may bric they new instrument due to mess.
I did not mean this just to @Kibabalu but he was just now randomly in front.  Overall I wish we try make this bit less messy. 2016, 2017 it was simple due to fact there was only SSA3021X and 3032X.
Now we have SSA3021X and 3032X  and then we have different new hardware machines SSA3015XPlus, 3021XPlus, 3032XPlus, 3075XPlus. Then we have VNA's  SVA1015X, SVA1032X and SVA1075X and after then real time spectrum analyzers SSA3032X-R 3050X-R and 3075X-R. And perhaps more is coming.  Some of these product lines need handle separately for avoid total mess. And more is coming so my opinion is that least around this time now we need organize and arrange these so that they all are not just big messy mix. Later it is more difficult, even now it is difficult.
 Specially if we talk about experimental HW/FW changes where always is easy road to make mistake what leads to failures.  And much more easy when some newbie is totally messed when all information is here and there and everywhere in nice messy mix with sugar and pepper. Of course we who have been here before beginning can quite easy follow what is what but my concern is newbies or other peoples who do not have so much experience.
I hope no one goes to troubles and permanently or less permanently find themselves with bricked SA.

[lamb]

Has anyone successfully upgraded SSA3021X version  1.3.9.5 ?   Some of the posts in this thread warn about bricking the unit during the first step of enabling the telnet daemon. I just bought the unit so Id hate to brick it so early in its life. I assume there is no need to perform the upgrade while the unit is new.  FWIW a nmap on the device returns:
Starting Nmap 7.60 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2020-10-08 14:25 PDT
Nmap scan report for 10.X.X.220
Host is up (0.90s latency).
Not shown: 998 closed ports
PORT    STATE SERVICE
111/tcp open  rpcbind
898/tcp open  sun-manageconsole

Thank you.  Quite an interesting thread. 

[tv84]

The recent unexplained bricking incidents involved a NAND dump script, not the telnet daemon script. The dump script has been removed and advised against.

I don't remember bricking incidents with telnet daemon but I could be wrong since this SSAX has a mind of its own...

As always, it's your responsibility.

EDIT Nov 5th: It's a fact that the telnet script for SSAX also was bricking the analyzer, in recent FW versions. I removed the file. The situation is recoverable.

[Dennis H]

I just bought one. 
Are they still hackable?
I am unclear if I need the option to do "return loss" or can I do it without the option?

[SHF]

New Firmware V1.3.9.6
https://int.siglent.com/download/firmwares/?ProId=29

[tautech]

New Firmware V1.3.9.6
https://int.siglent.com/download/firmwares/?ProId=29

Please note this firmware is for the older SSA3000X models only !
7.4 MB
Release notes
This firmware must be upgraded from V1.2.8.1 or later. If your SSA3000X has an earlier version, please update to V1.2.8.1 first and then proceed to update to the latest version.
Fixed the problem unit in TG and the UNCAL condition
Fixed the AVG detector in frequency LOG scale
Fixed the display error with long file name
Fixed some SCPI commands
Fixed the beeper switch
Fixed the .cor file error when recalling it
Add Limit mask offset in frequency and amplitude

[Bicurico]

This firmware deactivated my telnet access.
Not that it makes a big difference, but I did like being able to log into my SSA3021X.

@tv84: will your fake FW update that turns telnet on work on devices with this FW or is it necessary to increase the version number? How could I turn telnet back on again?

Regards,
Vitor

[tautech]

This firmware deactivated my telnet access.
Not that it makes a big difference, but I did like being able to log into my SSA3021X.

Will port 5024 not work ?

From the programming manual:
Standard mode. Available on port 5025. Use this port for programming.
Telnet mode. The telnet SCPI service is available on port 5024.

[Bicurico]

I am referring to the telnet port 23.

SCPI continues to work of course.

[Orange]

The telnet upgrade script from here https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1870091/#msg1870091
will brick your SSA to the state that even the recovery package will not work any longer. It wipes out the MLO loader and also the u-boot loader completely.
Port 10101 is also not functioning, in fact the whole SSA is dead after running the script. And yes I did NOT boot the SSA with the USB drive in the SSA.

This is experienced with the latest SSA firmware 1.3.9.6

The symptoms are, no beep, no fan , only the TG light during power up.
I think Siglent does some nasty stuff with these 'update' scripts.

[TurboTom]

That's evil! Did you check the output of the internal UART port?

[Orange]

That's evil! Did you check the output of the internal UART port?

Yes, it outputs CCCCCCC at a slow rate.

[tv84]

The telnet upgrade script from here https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1870091/#msg1870091
will brick your SSA to the state that even the recovery package will not work any longer. It wipes out the MLO loader and also the u-boot loader completely.
Port 10101 is also not functioning, in fact the whole SSA is dead after running the script. And yes I did NOT boot the SSA with the USB drive in the SSA.

This is experienced with the latest SSA firmware 1.3.9.6

The symptoms are, no beep, no fan , only the TG light during power up.
I think Siglent does some nasty stuff with these 'update' scripts.

Script removed from that msg.

BUT, it's NOT true that it can't be recovered. Member bicurico has just recovered his SSAX after using the bad script.