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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2000 on: July 08, 2021, 09:12:59 am »
Soooooo, I have to ask some seriously dumb question. Rigol did it again, just selling the EXACT same hardware as 6 different devices? Just by disabling some features in the firmware. I was reading a lot of post, is it correct that there is only one ADC in the device therefore the Samplebandwith gets split up within the active probe channels? ---> channel 3/4 are working flawless even with a bought MSO5072?

MSO5072    70 MHz (aufrüstbar)    2    < 5 ns          Option    Option
MSO5074    70 MHz (aufrüstbar)    4    < 5 ns          Option    Option
MSO5102    100 MHz (aufrüstbar)    2    < 3.5 ns           Option    Option
MSO5104    100 MHz (aufrüstbar)    4    < 3.5 ns           Option    Option
MSO5204    200 MHz (aufrüstbar)    4    < 1.75 ns    Option    Option
MSO5354    350 MHz                    4    < 1.75 ns    Option    Option

So I'm really upvoting this to be my Rigol 1052E successor (and I'm not going to buy the 1054Z)......

 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2001 on: July 08, 2021, 09:16:04 am »
Rigol did it again, just selling the EXACT same hardware as 6 different devices? Just by disabling some features in the firmware.
Yes!
 
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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2002 on: July 08, 2021, 09:16:33 am »
Soooooo, I have to ask some seriously dumb question. Rigol did it again, just selling the EXACT same hardware as 6 different devices? Just by disabling some features in the firmware. ......
No different to several other brands.....you should do some more research.
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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2003 on: July 08, 2021, 09:35:24 am »
Welcome to the reality of mass production, sales and margins  :) A great many manufacturers will  be using this modular approach to for the HW & SW, its not just the test & Measurment industry that uses these models.

How on do you think a Rigol or any other brand at these price points makes money on a £400 scope?  it's shipped, import charges and any vat is added you need to a lot of the low end models to start making any kind of profit. So by spreading the load across numerous models they can recoup the R&D costs.

Do you think Tek, R&S and Keysight are not the same with the lower and mid priced scopes?. The only reason the more high end scopes are not 'unlocked' to such a degree is purely cost and physically getting your grubby mits on an actual unit!

You do have the added issue of if you drop a boo boo and its totally bricks up  :-BROKE your £50K+ test gear, somehow the manufacturer *may* not cover this under warranty  :-//

If you wish to purchase quite complex and reasonably accuracte bench test equipment for what 'back in the day lad' would have cost the equivlient of close to 10 years salarly in the mid 80's to under £500 then you have to understand the laws of what we affectionately 'banging 'em cheap'

So nothing new here at all.
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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2004 on: July 08, 2021, 01:24:07 pm »
So nothing new here at all.

Back in the 1970s the difference between two models of Burroughs B1700 mainframe computers was the presence of a single link that signalled to the microcode which model it was. The price difference between the two models at the time would have bought several suburban houses.

Indeed, there's "nothing new under the sun".
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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2005 on: July 09, 2021, 05:33:21 am »
Has nobody else moved the little resistors on the chip of a graphics chip around to unlock extra features?  8)

 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2006 on: July 26, 2021, 07:03:15 pm »
Hi to all,
Today I have received my scope.

Firmware: 0A.01.03.00.01
Boot:        2018.06.27
Build: 2021-05-04

Tell me please - will be work the "Liberator" with this FW ?

 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2007 on: July 27, 2021, 09:04:06 am »
Firmware: 0A.01.03.00.01

That is a Beta package. Let's hope it doesn't change only the version number...  ::)

The patching method (and others) should work but you need to get your hands on the app file and adapt the diffs.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2008 on: July 27, 2021, 09:48:12 am »
The patching method (and others) should work but you need to get your hands on the app file and adapt the diffs.

Thank you tv84!!!
If really - I not understood what I need to change and where....
Also I do not understand - do I need to backup calibrate file or not?
Sorry for stupid questions.
 
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2009 on: July 27, 2021, 10:40:30 am »
Also I do not understand - do I need to backup calibrate file or not?

You can do a backup of your files. I think there are scripts in the forum for such.

From an "upgrade" PoV, you'll have to have until the new software gets released and someone patches the app. Or you can extract the app and pass it to some of the guys that find the new patch addresses, if they are willing to do it.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2010 on: July 27, 2021, 04:15:50 pm »
Or you can extract the app and pass it to some of the guys that find the new patch addresses, if they are willing to do it.

Where I can read how to extract the new FW ?
I will put it here.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2011 on: July 27, 2021, 05:29:10 pm »
Where I can read how to extract the new FW ?
I will put it here.

Backup scripts for Rigol MSO5000 and MSO/DS7000
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2012 on: July 27, 2021, 08:00:31 pm »
Backup scripts for Rigol MSO5000 and MSO/DS7000

Many thanks tv84!!!
Here is a link to arhive.
From my scope with Firmware: 0A.01.03.00.01
                              Boot:        2018.06.27
                              Build:        2021-05-04
It was made with NAND_backup_script and I hope that all was done correctly.
https://mega.nz/file/fNUgFDYJ#YHPpsyy9kMLVtM5DjM-Qz6hXufBU4I4EMdIXFdIc7lA

Just not found how to backup the calibrating value....

Forgot to add - USB stick - 4Gb FAT32 4Kb
Total time about 8 minutes. Plus minus 30 second.

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2013 on: July 29, 2021, 12:58:01 pm »
What will happen if I will try to apply the old patch for 00.01.03.00.01 on to 0A.01.03.00.01 version?
Can the scope fully die?
Is there possibility to reanimate?
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2014 on: July 29, 2021, 01:09:47 pm »
What will happen if I will try to apply the old patch for 00.01.03.00.01 on to 0A.01.03.00.01 version?
Can the scope fully die?
Is there possibility to reanimate?

1. It won't work because of the apply validation.
2. no
3. yes
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2015 on: July 29, 2021, 01:50:37 pm »
Thank you!
Other way - downgrade the verison from 0A.01.03.00.01 to 00.01.03.00.01 with FW update from oficial store? Yesterday I dowloaded this version - v00.01.03.00.01 2020/04/13.
 
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2016 on: July 29, 2021, 02:15:03 pm »
Thank you!
Other way - downgrade the verison from 0A.01.03.00.01 to 00.01.03.00.01 with FW update from oficial store? Yesterday I dowloaded this version - v00.01.03.00.01 2020/04/13.

Yes and then wait for the next official release (whenever that comes...).
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2017 on: July 29, 2021, 05:30:45 pm »
Hi all,
Today received my scope MSO5072

Firmware: 0A.01.03.00.01
Boot:        2018.06.27
Build: 2021-05-04

1. Downgrade to official version from Rigol site v00.01.03.00.01 2020/04/13
2. Used recipe from post #1811   https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/msg3105598/#msg3105598

Everything works fine
Thanks to the community!
 
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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2018 on: July 29, 2021, 05:35:24 pm »
Thanks to all the people who made this opportunity available!
Thank you tv84 - for giving me confidence!!!

All options are works!!!!
I am happy.
This is a nice gift for me in day of 32 years of my life with my loved woman!
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2019 on: July 31, 2021, 06:10:19 pm »
I just wonder what is the future of this oscilloscope, is now out for 2 years and most of the bugs are not fixed yet.

Could be as well that the protection system change and that the patches are not working anymore.

It is sad because the harware looks promising but the firmware/software not really.  :horse:

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2020 on: August 02, 2021, 06:55:31 am »
Hello,

is it possible to revert a hacked MSO5072 to original ? do I need to save somthing before the hack?
Thanks!
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2021 on: August 02, 2021, 08:29:05 am »
Hello,

is it possible to revert a hacked MSO5072 to original ? do I need to save somthing before the hack?
Thanks!

Yes, you can reinstall the factory firmware if needed and the scope goes back to normal, just like you took it out of the box.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/msg3105996/#msg3105996
« Last Edit: August 03, 2021, 05:44:18 am by ToThePub »
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2022 on: August 03, 2021, 05:41:07 am »
Hello,

is it possible to revert a hacked MSO5072 to original ? do I need to save somthing before the hack?
Thanks!

Yes, you can reinstall the factory firmware if needed and the scope goes back to normal, just like you look it out of the box.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/msg3105996/#msg3105996

Well done, that's the POST of the YEAR. Congrats :clap:
 
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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2023 on: August 04, 2021, 01:28:45 pm »
Received my 5072 today, patch worked fine :) thanks for all the contributers. :) :) :)
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #2024 on: August 08, 2021, 06:26:15 am »
Please tell me I rolled back from 01.03.00.01 Build date May 18, 2020 to 01.03.00.01 date March 30, 2020 . Where to download the original GEL on May 18, 2020
 


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