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Offline angelo

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1050 on: May 06, 2019, 08:41:33 pm »
These are the stated unlockable features. I'm curious about the u published features unlocked from other models.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1051 on: May 06, 2019, 08:44:25 pm »
If it's not in the (your country here) user manual but it is on the scope, it's an unpublished hacked feature.
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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1052 on: May 06, 2019, 08:48:41 pm »
Reasonable, anyone care to investigate if TIE in jitter menu is non-functional as well?
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1053 on: May 06, 2019, 09:01:38 pm »
Isn't Jitter measurement part of the power analysis feature, opened by the hack? 
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1054 on: May 06, 2019, 09:11:49 pm »
Isn't Jitter measurement part of the power analysis feature, opened by the hack?

Best to ask somebody who has purchased the power analysis feature, not hacked to enable all options.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1055 on: May 06, 2019, 09:48:40 pm »
Isn't Jitter measurement part of the power analysis feature, opened by the hack?

Not according to Rigol, I thought the same though. Seems like it's a holdover from the code locked out on lower model numbers but available on the 7000.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1056 on: May 06, 2019, 09:54:19 pm »
This is how it looks like over here:


I don't have this jitter analysis.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1057 on: May 07, 2019, 04:24:27 pm »
Hello,

I think as for the DS7000 series], jitter measurement is done with histogram analysis (that you show on right side menu).


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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1058 on: May 07, 2019, 07:47:14 pm »
This is how histogram looks like:


There are two modes in Power-analysis: Ripple and Power-Quality.


I don't have the necessary current probe, hence the results are bogus:


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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1059 on: May 07, 2019, 08:19:25 pm »
Why would jitter measurements be in power analysis?
Jitter measurements are clock/ timing related, for digital clocks and serial communications and such.
Not much to do with power measurements.
It makes sense to be connected with histograms though.

 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1060 on: May 07, 2019, 09:03:58 pm »
Why would jitter measurements be in power analysis?
Jitter measurements are clock/ timing related, for digital clocks and serial communications and such.
Not much to do with power measurements.
It makes sense to be connected with histograms though.
Maybe to analyze switching power supplies?
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1061 on: May 07, 2019, 09:18:15 pm »
In power applications you analyse PWM modulation and call it modulation analysis.
You can do it with built in measurements + stats.

Jitter analysis implies measurement of clock/edge stability of something that has to be very stable. It is basically noise analysis in time domain..
Both are timing analysis, but using different methods and for different purpose.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1062 on: May 08, 2019, 11:29:16 am »
If I go to measurement, analysis, and jitter analysis. In PLL mode with a 1MHz FM modulated 10MHz carrier my scope freezes.

I emailed rigol support and they said this feature is not available to North America. I don't understand why this would be the case.

Can anyone else replicate, confirm, or offer advice?

Hi Angelo

Mine to, however I am located in the UK, also purchased  power analysis option with the scope.

The hack worked fine thank you chaps  8)

Every time I use the jitter feature (tie mode) and switch in jitter spectrum it freezes, also when using the jitter trend mode it runs for around a couple of minutes then locks up

The scope locks up in normal and high res modes as well

All other features are fine more than likely a firmware issue that has missed the beta testers at Rigol?

« Last Edit: May 08, 2019, 11:35:47 am by Sighound36 »
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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1063 on: May 08, 2019, 11:55:37 am »
If I go to measurement, analysis, and jitter analysis. In PLL mode with a 1MHz FM modulated 10MHz carrier my scope freezes.

I emailed rigol support and they said this feature is not available to North America. I don't understand why this would be the case.

Can anyone else replicate, confirm, or offer advice?

Hi Angelo

Mine to, however I am located in the UK, also purchased  power analysis option with the scope.

The hack worked fine thank you chaps  8)

Every time I use the jitter feature (tie mode) and switch in jitter spectrum it freezes, also when using the jitter trend mode it runs for around a couple of minutes then locks up

The scope locks up in normal and high res modes as well

All other features are fine more than likely a firmware issue that has missed the beta testers at Rigol?

Thanks for the confirmation Sig.

To those above, the option is not under histogram but has a separate option in the analyze window after those in the unhacked option. I don't have access to the scope at the moment to screenshot.

I'd be interested to hear if anyone does get this feature operational, or can confirm that it is bugged, or that it is non functional but option is just enabled in the 5000 hack.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1064 on: May 08, 2019, 12:11:13 pm »
I'd be interested to hear if anyone does get this feature operational, or can confirm that it is bugged, or that it is non functional but option is just enabled in the 5000 hack.
You can just remove the hack and verify it yourself
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1065 on: May 08, 2019, 12:30:23 pm »
I'd be interested to hear if anyone does get this feature operational, or can confirm that it is bugged, or that it is non functional but option is just enabled in the 5000 hack.
You can just remove the hack and verify it yourself

I'm sure that it will go away if disable the hack.

What I meant was, perhaps my settings/test is bugged and the feature works. Or, perhaps it just shows up but will never work.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1066 on: May 08, 2019, 12:56:56 pm »
I'd be interested to hear if anyone does get this feature operational, or can confirm that it is bugged, or that it is non functional but option is just enabled in the 5000 hack.
You can just remove the hack and verify it yourself

I'm sure that it will go away if disable the hack.

What I meant was, perhaps my settings/test is bugged and the feature works. Or, perhaps it just shows up but will never work.
You are correct.  I misunderstood your question.
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1067 on: May 08, 2019, 02:47:29 pm »
Hi Angelo

I also have a 'feature disabled' notice when I press the histogram function in the jitter measure menu which maybe a clue that TK was eluding to possibly?

A couple of images below of the 'new features'




« Last Edit: May 08, 2019, 03:12:29 pm by Sighound36 »
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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1068 on: May 12, 2019, 03:15:45 pm »
Hi. Got my Rigol MSO5074 may, 8th and by May 12th it is "upgraded" with all options. Thank you very much to everyone made this possible...... Smiling big!
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1069 on: May 13, 2019, 02:45:07 am »
Loving your work everyine.
On a quest to find increasingly complicated ways to blink things
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1070 on: May 16, 2019, 05:58:51 am »
Good Morning everyone,

I got mine yesterday - MSO5354.
FW is 00.01.01.04.04.

Where I can find the file to get all the possible options?
And what are the right steps? only Upgrade the FW with the file from here?

Best regards


 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1071 on: May 16, 2019, 07:20:04 am »
Hi,

Yesterday my MSO5074 has arrived. Factory installed firmware 00.01.01.04.04.  Hardware 01.00.000.

I've read the instructions and now is full option  :box:
It took about 5 minutes, I appreciate your work here  :clap:

Indeed, it's the best option to buy, and not only for a hobby work.

I was very close to order a Siglent because of somehow better included features (bode plot was one of them) and a better analog input stage for low signal but I really don't need 1mV/div, a true 4mV/div is fine.
I hope that bode plot will be included in the end, the sooner the better  :)

8GSamples, 200M deep memory, 9 inch display, included dual channel signal generator, etc. No competition for the price, of course with 'patch' applied.
Also, the mechanical power switch is way better than the "soft" one. Not only for environment friendly, but also for a long term power supply reliability.

The airflow noise it's there but it's not a big problem. The noise from the sleeve or ball bearing is more important.
Fan noise is like an old style PC power supply. For the moment is ok. In the future I will see if it worth to replace it.

Best regards !
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 08:51:17 am by core »
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1072 on: May 16, 2019, 07:59:45 am »
@ swansonbroth

You can find all the informations here :

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/msg2251401/#msg2251401

It seems that you have the latest firmware (00.01.01.04.04), so just apply the backup and the 'update patch'

Succes !
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 08:49:05 am by core »
 

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1073 on: May 16, 2019, 06:24:01 pm »
I got mine yesterday - MSO5354.

Why, when you already got the DS7014 ?

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Re: Hacking the Rigol MSO5000 series oscilloscopes
« Reply #1074 on: May 16, 2019, 08:38:23 pm »
Why, when you already got the DS7014 ?

Hack benchmarking...
 


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