Hacking the SDS2000X HD

[Martin72]

Hi,

Thread for the siglent sds 2000X hd, how to hack as the known phyton script no longer works for models with "Lic V2.0".

Will be continued when I´m convinced about the full functionality of my new scope.
Otherwise, carry on....

[sly2538]

has anyone managed to hack this oscilloscope (SDS2000X-HD) ? if yes, how do we proceed or can we find a link for this information? thank you all for your work!!

[Martin72]

You have a HD ?
Show it...

[sly2538]

No unfortunately I don't have it yet I'm saving to buy one !!! I'm dying of impatience to be able to touch it with my finger ... I dream of it but before being able to order it I wanted to know more about the method for unlocking the classic options and especially the bandwidth. Thanks for your help

[Martin72]

Hi,
A few users here have unlocked versions, so it works, but there will probably be no "public" instructions for it, which is why this thread is so orphaned....
If you have the scope, it's best to report back here(or the other HD thread).
It's something like the "X" on Fox Mulder's  window....

[OwnMyEquipment]

Hey Martin,

Just sent you a similar PM. Any chance you could share what you (and maybe others) have learned about rooting and/or fully licensing this device? I recently bought one.

I've already tried SHELLCMD, but it seems that's been nerfed with Siglent's new product line. Any guidance would be appreciated.

[Martin72]

Hi,

There are certain reasons why this thread has remained so "empty".
I myself can not fill it with life, I had only started it.

[maxspb69]

I would really like to change my SDS2504+ to HD version, but I’m not ready to do this without the ability to install all options. This is stopping me from purchasing SDS2000X HD.
If I had the information that such an opportunity existed, I would have been more decisive in my choice.

[Orange]

I would really like to change my SDS2504+ to HD version, but I’m not ready to do this without the ability to install all options. This is stopping me from purchasing SDS2000X HD.
If I had the information that such an opportunity existed, I would have been more decisive in my choice.

It's a pity that this information is available, but people don't want to share it. That is not in the spirit of this forum. I don't like that attitude.

If I where you, I would wait a bit longer and go for the SDS1000X HD, it's almost released has also a 2GHz s/s, 50Ohms input capability. Apparently this one can be hacked to 200MHz with old keygen, and will be cheaper as well.

[axantas]

I would really like to change my SDS2504+ to HD version, but I’m not ready to do this without the ability to install all options. This is stopping me from purchasing SDS2000X HD.
If I had the information that such an opportunity existed, I would have been more decisive in my choice.

It's a pity that this information is available, but people don't want to share it. That is not in the spirit of this forum. I don't like that attitude.

If I where you, I would wait a bit longer and go for the SDS1000X HD, it's almost released has also a 2GHz s/s, 50Ohms input capability. Apparently this one can be hacked to 200MHz with old keygen, and will be cheaper as well.

Sorry to say that, but you sound quite demanding, which is in itself not in the spirit of the forum. There is a reason, why the hack is not publcly available. We are all free to find the hack together. Look at what is going on with the RIGOL DHO800/900 Hack. THAT is the spirit of this forum.

Regarding the 2000X HD's official opportunities: There is a very affordable offer running for most of the options - no PA, but you get everything else, including the SPL2016.

[kripton2035]

the hack is not public because if it were, I suppose siglent could make it impossible .
the owner of the hack wants to keep his hack secret, it's his right to do so.

[mawyatt]

One might be better served with making significant contributions to this forum first, rather than initially demanding from such!!

The folks that have made these contributions are then viewed more favorably by most, and likley to benefit from those contributions

Best,

[tv84]

It's a pity that this information is available, but people don't want to share it. That is not in the spirit of this forum. I don't like that attitude.

I would say the main reason why that happens is precisely because of that kind of reasoning. In this forum, nobody owes you or me anything.

[maxspb69]

I completely agree that no one owes anyone anything.
However, I would like to ask: if anyone can help  me with “improving the capabilities” of the SDS2000X HD, write to me  PM.

[nimish]

I would really like to change my SDS2504+ to HD version, but I’m not ready to do this without the ability to install all options. This is stopping me from purchasing SDS2000X HD.
If I had the information that such an opportunity existed, I would have been more decisive in my choice.

It's a pity that this information is available, but people don't want to share it. That is not in the spirit of this forum. I don't like that attitude.

If I where you, I would wait a bit longer and go for the SDS1000X HD, it's almost released has also a 2GHz s/s, 50Ohms input capability. Apparently this one can be hacked to 200MHz with old keygen, and will be cheaper as well.

Sorry to say that, but you sound quite demanding, which is in itself not in the spirit of the forum. There is a reason, why the hack is not publcly available. We are all free to find the hack together. Look at what is going on with the RIGOL DHO800/900 Hack. THAT is the spirit of this forum.

Regarding the 2000X HD's official opportunities: There is a very affordable offer running for most of the options - no PA, but you get everything else, including the SPL2016.

Oh nice, most of the useful options + probe for the price of the LA probe, essentially. Worth it even if you do manage to hack IMO.

[Vladamir]

I just got my SDS2104X HD! As a student, I hope I can get some assistance on the proper operation of this beast of a scope from the many amazing people on this forum  . I can post some pics, if people on this thread want to see what it looks like on my mini table.

[tautech]

I just got my SDS2104X HD! As a student, I hope I can get some assistance on the proper operation of this beast of a scope from the many amazing people on this forum  . I can post some pics, if people on this thread want to see what it looks like on my mini table.

Nice scope and it will be a good while before you exhaust its capabilities.
I have a few tricks/settings we change from factory before we ship these units out, but.....

Best you take general discussion to the SDS2000X HD thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/

[Vladamir]

I would be grateful if you could teach me the tricks/settings that you change from factory! Anything to increase its capabilities like adding PA and other useful options would be greatly appreciated!

[Martin72]

Anything to increase its capabilities like adding PA and other useful options would be greatly appreciated!

The option-bundle Siglent SDS2XHD-BND is still avaible for incredible 235€ (without tax) and includes:
Siglent SDS2000HD-FG
Siglent SDS2000HD-16LA
Siglent SPL2016 Logic Probes
Siglent SDS-2000HD-CANFD
Siglent SDS-2000HD-FlexRay
Siglent SDS-2000HD-IIS
Siglent SDS-2000HD-1553B
Siglent SDS-2000HD-SENT
Siglent SDS-2000HD-Manch
If you have just bought your scope, ask your dealer if you can buy the package later, you can say you forgot.

Those who "upgraded" their scope back then wouldn't have done it if there had already been an offer like the current bundle.
Because if you can put down quite a lot of money to buy the scope, then you can also put down a tiny amount in comparison to legally upgrade everything (except for bandwidth).
You won't get instructions on how to hack the scope here, I can tell you that right now.
Actually, this thread can also be closed ( @Moderation ), as it will never fulfill its actual purpose due to this fact.

[zrq]

Well, sometimes knowing a hack is possible is already very encouraging. This means there is no hardware limit or problematic lock down. For a user motivated enough to study the embedded system and reverse engineering tools like jadx and GHIDRA, he will be able to find a way to do the same hack. If you can't, then you are not motivated (or smart) enough.

[Vladamir]

@Martin72 and @Zrq thank you both! @Martin72 That is a very reasonable price considering it includes the logic probes! Im going to buy that upgrade and I will also still try to figure out a way to jerry-rig the bandwidth; since that is very important to me as well.

@Zrq You are right, anything is possible with the right resources both human and otherwise! I will do my best to research the possibilities that exist with those two tools; especially considering one of them was developed by the brilliant minds at the NSA and then apparently used by some equivalently brilliant minds here who then applied that program to unlock the full potential of this scope. That is assuming those two are sufficient for accomplishing that task. I am very motivated to discover what is truly possible since unlocking all features of this scope is my goal, even though my background or lack thereof may be the limiting factor.

[tautech]

@Martin72 thank you! That is a very reasonable price considering it includes the logic probes!

Yeah it's a steal at that price.
https://siglentna.com/news-article/permanent-analysis-bundle-on-your-new-oscilloscope/

[egonotto]

Yeah it's a steal at that price.

Hello,

oh dear, I would have thought that would be legal.

Best regards
egonotto

[gburdzin]

I just received my SDS2104X HD (with the LA bundle) yesterday evening.  I also hope to one day be able to unlock the full bandwidth potential of the scope, so any advice on how to do so would be greatly appreciated (even if it needs to stay private or sent by PM only).

[Electro Fan]

I just received my SDS2104X HD (with the LA bundle) yesterday evening.  I also hope to one day be able to unlock the full bandwidth potential of the scope, so any advice on how to do so would be greatly appreciated (even if it needs to stay private or sent by PM only).

Congrats!  Please give us your impressions as you get it going.  Thx

[seajayshore]

Hello everyone (my first post!)

I have an SDS2104X HD for several months now - purchased with the aforementioned SDS2XHD-BND bundle (great pricing) but before the base price was dropped when the SDS1000X HD released (less great pricing... nevermind )

I love the scope, best I've ever owned, but I feel a bit miffed at how expensive the (legal) bandwidth upgrades are... ~£2,000 before tax in the UK for the 100MHz to 350MHz upgrade... The base SDS3000X HD at 350MHz is ~£3,000 for comparison...

Yes I know that's not a fair comparison as the 2000X HD benefits from the bundle mentioned above while there 3000X HD doesn't... (yet...) But besides the logic analyser kit the bundle isn't that useful to me so in retrospect I may have traded for higher bandwidth at my original purchase price...

I have a question - not just moaning - does anyone know (maybe from past experience) if these licenses also drop price in time? Or is acquiring a bandwidth hack the only hope us penny-pinchers have for BW upgrades?

[axantas]

I was observing exactly that development at different brands for scopes of different age. You sometimes get bundled licenses for various options, sometimes bandwith upgrades, but I never have seen any significant drop in prices for single licenses. PA is always very expensive and high bandwith upgrades are - better not talk about it. 

[ebastler]

I have a question - not just moaning - does anyone know (maybe from past experience) if these licenses also drop price in time? Or is acquiring a bandwidth hack the only hope us penny-pinchers have for BW upgrades?

In general, manufacturers don't drop the prices for aftermarket upgrades over time. After all, these are being sold to customers you have already reeled in...   Price reductions and bundle deals tend to focus on new instrument sales, unfortunately, because they want to entice potential new customers.

But maybe the bandwidth upgrades for the SDS2000X HD will turn out to be an exception to that rule, because the price of the scope has been reduced so much and the option prices are now disproportionately high?

[seajayshore]

Thanks for the comments - that's about what I concluded also. Fingers crossed for price drops on the BW upgrades one day...

A slightly different comparison from the UK supplier I use makes me sad...

• ~£2,000 before tax for 100MHz to 350MHz upgrade for my existing SDS2104X HD...
• ~£2,500 before tax for a new 350MHz SDS2354X HD...

So if I could resell my SDS2104X HD for >£500 (highly likely I assume) then it's better to just buy another unit instead of the license... :-/

More annoying is at the time of purchase (before recent price drops) I checked the difference in price to buy a higher BW model to begin with vs. buying the 100MHz and BW upgrades later and all the pricing was perfectly in-line - no advantage either way - so I went with 100MHz presuming to change later if required.

Anyway - moan over - thanks again for comments here. 

[KungFuJosh]

So if I could resell my SDS2104X HD for >£500 (highly likely I assume) then it's better to just buy another unit instead of the license... :-/

Sold! 😉

[Performa01]

Prices for the SDS2000X HD bandwidth upgrades have been lowered indeed. Distributors just need to update their websites...

[seajayshore]

So if I could resell my SDS2104X HD for >£500 (highly likely I assume) then it's better to just buy another unit instead of the license... :-/

Sold! 😉

    

Prices for the SDS2000X HD bandwidth upgrades have been lowered indeed. Distributors just need to update their websites...

Thanks for updating!

I also confirm that I emailed the UK supplier (Telonic) and the person there agreed pricing was a bit off and would ask Siglent.
Now I check today and the same SDS2000HD-BW1T3 (100MHz -> 350MHz) upgrade is £1,391 (before tax) instead of £2,000.

Still a big chunk, but more "in-line" now :-)