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Offline k.valentino

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Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« on: September 11, 2018, 08:06:34 am »
Hi  :) :) :),
Please recommend me some handheld oscilloscope! My budget is max 1000€!
I look at the following models:

HandshiHantek DSO1152S (isolated)
Micsig TO1102 or Micsig TO1104
Siglent SHS810


P.S. I'm sure that the old Tektronics THS7xx models are very good but I don’t want to buy 20 year used device from eBay without any warranty of proper operation
 

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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 10:27:01 am »
I use the TO1072 for automotive jobs, good battery life and the touchscreen is easy to use, I had a few little problems with the charge socket but nothing that would make me go back to my old fluke unit, the display is bright and easy to read in the workshop and outdoors. You will probably want to invest in some more robust probes though (I use the ones from my Fluke 99).
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 12:28:22 pm »
Which features do you require?  How many channels?  Bandwidth? 

I've got the Siglent SHS806 (Hacked up to an SHS815), and it's OK, but it's UI is old and it doesn't have near the capabilities of the TO1104.         
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2018, 10:59:41 pm »
Which features do you require?  How many channels?  Bandwidth? 

I've got the Siglent SHS806 (Hacked up to an SHS815), and it's OK, but it's UI is old and it doesn't have near the capabilities of the TO1104.         

minimum 2 chanels and 100MHz

Please send me the hack manual for Siglent SHS806, I'm interested in this model.
 

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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2018, 11:02:55 pm »
Which features do you require?  How many channels?  Bandwidth? 

I've got the Siglent SHS806 (Hacked up to an SHS815), and it's OK, but it's UI is old and it doesn't have near the capabilities of the TO1104.         

minimum 2 chanels and 100MHz

Please send me the hack manual for Siglent SHS806, I'm interested in this model.
Outlined here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdg5000-shs800-upgrade-search/
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2018, 03:04:36 pm »
From what I've seen from handheld scopes the MicSig TO1104 is probably the best suitable for general testing. It has all the features you find on a bench scope. Typically hand held scopes don't have many features because for their target audience they have to be simple to operate.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2018, 09:51:03 pm »
From what I've seen from handheld scopes the MicSig TO1104 is probably the best suitable for general testing. It has all the features you find on a bench scope. Typically hand held scopes don't have many features because for their target audience they have to be simple to operate.

Yes, I think to buy MicSig TO1102 or TO1104, but I don't see to sell only batteries for them (after years of use it will need a new battery  :-// ). Or how to hack this battery  :-\ (it seems that it has protection and integrated charger).

By the way, exist hack update from MicSig TO1072 to TO1104?
« Last Edit: September 20, 2018, 03:49:05 pm by k.valentino »
 

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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2018, 10:29:39 pm »

Yes, I think to buy MicSig TO1102 or TO1104, but I don't see to sell only batteries for them (after years of use it will need a new battery  :-// ). Or how to hack this battery  :-\ (it seems that it has protection and integrated charger).

By the way, exist hack update from MicSig TO1072 to TO1104?

No one knows anything about that?
 

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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2018, 10:36:47 pm »
Better ask MicSig about service and spare parts.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2018, 10:49:12 pm »
 While working for BMW I mostly used a fluke 2 channel handheld. Today I'd probably still choose a fluke. Despite the micsig probably being better, I recall it having capacitive touch. That reason alone I'd go with the siglent or hantek. With siglent you're likely to get better support so I would have to go with that.

Actually 1 caveat... If it isn't primarily for automotive work get the micsig.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2018, 10:52:33 pm by maginnovision »
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2018, 11:22:22 pm »
With siglent you're likely to get better support so I would have to go with that.
Siglent and support? AFAIK the Siglent handheld scopes aren't exactly high on Siglent's bug fix TODO list. The MicSig TO1000 series OTOH works so where would you need support for? Besides that a forum member had a faulty battery in his/her MicSig scope and that got fixed for free as far as I can tell.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2018, 12:38:03 am »
With siglent you're likely to get better support so I would have to go with that.
Siglent and support? AFAIK the Siglent handheld scopes aren't exactly high on Siglent's bug fix TODO list. The MicSig TO1000 series OTOH works so where would you need support for? Besides that a forum member had a faulty battery in his/her MicSig scope and that got fixed for free as far as I can tell.

Between Hantek and Siglent, I choose Siglent for support. I doubt either manufacturer will do much for you for bugs, warranty issues though are support you might need. The MicSig I would not want as my primary scope for working in a real automotive environment just because of the interface. My dad has one and it's a great scope but screens aren't the interface of choice in that world. When you do find touch screen stuff it's typically resistive for a reason.
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2018, 08:39:36 am »
Better ask MicSig about service and spare parts.

I already asked MicSig, but they did not answer me!
Batronix replied: "Unfortunately we do not offer the battery seperat. Only already buildt in."
 

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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2018, 09:07:52 am »
Better ask MicSig about service and spare parts.

I already asked MicSig, but they did not answer me!
Batronix replied: "Unfortunately we do not offer the battery seperat. Only already buildt in."
Did you ask Batronix for a battery or did you ask them 'what happens if the battery goes bad'? These are very different questions.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2018, 09:56:33 am »
Better ask MicSig about service and spare parts.

I already asked MicSig, but they did not answer me!
Batronix replied: "Unfortunately we do not offer the battery seperat. Only already buildt in."
Yeah that's the problem with some gear so you'd better be sure you choose the right one.

Unlike for the Siglent SHS models:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/accessory/shs-bat/
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2018, 10:37:35 am »
Better ask MicSig about service and spare parts.

I already asked MicSig, but they did not answer me!
Batronix replied: "Unfortunately we do not offer the battery seperat. Only already buildt in."
Some Googling revealed you can buy the batteries seperately:
http://www.nkcelectronics.com/Micsig-tBook-mini-Oscilloscope-replacement-Battery_p_636.html

But like with car parts you have to realise that a part which is hard to get usually isn't very likely to fail. It doesn't make sense to keep it in stock because nobody buys it.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2018, 11:29:09 am by nctnico »
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2018, 08:39:45 pm »
Better ask MicSig about service and spare parts.

I already asked MicSig, but they did not answer me!
Batronix replied: "Unfortunately we do not offer the battery seperat. Only already buildt in."
Did you ask Batronix for a battery or did you ask them 'what happens if the battery goes bad'? These are very different questions.
I asked them if they sell batteries and their price.
 

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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2018, 01:05:57 am »
Better ask MicSig about service and spare parts.

I already asked MicSig, but they did not answer me!
Batronix replied: "Unfortunately we do not offer the battery seperat. Only already buildt in."

can you email to sales@micsig.com or tell me your email. we have some distributors who sell battery in Europe, they can buy it from them.
JL
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2018, 01:07:06 am »
Hi  :) :) :),
Please recommend me some handheld oscilloscope! My budget is max 1000€!
I look at the following models:

HandshiHantek DSO1152S (isolated)
Micsig TO1102 or Micsig TO1104
Siglent SHS810


P.S. I'm sure that the old Tektronics THS7xx models are very good but I don’t want to buy 20 year used device from eBay without any warranty of proper operation


Tell you a good news that, micsig will have a new model for automotive diagnostic function in tablet oscilloscope,pls email sales@micsig.com to get it.
JL
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2018, 06:44:28 am »
Hi  :) :) :),
Please recommend me some handheld oscilloscope! My budget is max 1000€!
I look at the following models:

HandshiHantek DSO1152S (isolated)
Micsig TO1102 or Micsig TO1104
Siglent SHS810


P.S. I'm sure that the old Tektronics THS7xx models are very good but I don’t want to buy 20 year used device from eBay without any warranty of proper operation


Tell you a good news that, micsig will have a new model for automotive diagnostic function in tablet oscilloscope,pls email sales@micsig.com to get it.

New model or a new function? I tried to get the beta functions for my dads since I occasionally help him with diag when I see him but never did.
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2018, 09:05:32 am »
Also take a look at the older Tektronix THS720P and similar.
You can get them used for a great price and they work very well as an automotive scope.
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2018, 08:50:53 am »
Hi  :) :) :),
Please recommend me some handheld oscilloscope! My budget is max 1000€!
I look at the following models:
 :clap:
HandshiHantek DSO1152S (isolated)
Micsig TO1102 or Micsig TO1104
Siglent SHS810


P.S. I'm sure that the old Tektronics THS7xx models are very good but I don’t want to buy 20 year used device from eBay without any warranty of proper operation


Tell you a good news that, micsig will have a new model for automotive diagnostic function in tablet oscilloscope,pls email sales@micsig.com to get it.

New model or a new function? I tried to get the beta functions for my dads since I occasionally help him with diag when I see him but never did.


new model. but for old customers, in the beginning, we can send them free. You know, Micsig like to send free functions in the beginning, like TO1104 bus decoding.  ;D
JL
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2018, 06:00:56 pm »
What are the automotive specific modes that your new scope has?   Is there a manual available on-line for it?
How electrically robust is your meter?? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsK99WXk9VhcghnAauTBsbg
 
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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2018, 09:31:28 pm »
Better ask MicSig about service and spare parts.
I already asked MicSig, but they did not answer me!
Batronix replied: "Unfortunately we do not offer the battery seperat. Only already buildt in."
can you email to sales@micsig.com or tell me your email. we have some distributors who sell battery in Europe, they can buy it from them.

Hi Micsig_support, I already asked MicSig (with email to sales@micsig.com of date 21/09/2018), but they did not answer me!
I send you my email address by PM!
Please tell me about the Micsig distributors who sell oscilloscopes and battery in Europe!

Hi  :) :) :),
Please recommend me some handheld oscilloscope! My budget is max 1000€!
I look at the following models:
HandshiHantek DSO1152S (isolated)
Micsig TO1102 or Micsig TO1104
Siglent SHS810

P.S. I'm sure that the old Tektronics THS7xx models are very good but I don’t want to buy 20 year used device from eBay without any warranty of proper operation
Tell you a good news that, micsig will have a new model for automotive diagnostic function in tablet oscilloscope, pls email sales@micsig.com to get it.

Tell me more about this new model!
 

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Re: Handheld oscilloscope for automotive and general testing
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2018, 10:11:07 pm »
We are proud to be Micsig Distributors.

We are located in the UK.      Below is a link to our website. We only have the Micsig TO1104 listed on the website at the moment but we carry the whole range.

Sincerely,

Joy Torres
Instruments 4 Engineers Ltd
Tel +44 (0) 161 871 7450
sales@instruments4engineers.com
www.instruments4engineers.com
http://www.instruments4engineers.com/micsig-to1104-100mhz-tablet-oscilloscope-micsig-distributor
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