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Are you interested in seeing more handheld meters tested?

This testing is pointless! Please STOP damaging these meters!
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 Yes, I would like to more meters tested.
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Offline joeqsmith

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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2675 on: August 16, 2018, 06:34:52 am »
Yea, that vintage 87V will be a thorn in the test data forever.  Crazy meter.  I think the outcry was because I was killing a Fluke brand meter and not just any Fluke brand meter, but what is touted as the "golden standard"   :-DD.   Where I actually use that old Fluke 189s, that new 87V just sits in its box with its chattering switch.     

There is no way to run a new 189.  $60, it would be fun to play with.   I've sent more costly meters to their graves.   It may also be fun to cycle the switch on such an old meter.   

Still, this one looks in better mechanical condition than the one my friend had given me.   One of you Fluke 189 fanboys needs to step up and save this meter.   :-DD
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2676 on: August 16, 2018, 06:42:12 am »
You know you increased the perceived value of this meter, right?  :-DD
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2677 on: August 16, 2018, 07:25:24 am »
You know you increased the perceived value of this meter, right?  :-DD
:-DD  I swear it's not my auction and I have no idea who is selling it.   :-DD    If it had a buy it now option for $50, I would take it and do what I plan to with it.   Then sign it with a grim reaper 14 KV or Bust logo and relist it as genuine Joe Smith artwork for $1 (parts only).   :-DD    Maybe I could break even.  :-DD
 
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2678 on: August 16, 2018, 12:25:49 pm »
Re 189 auction, I checked the seller's history and saw this.  A buyer bought the 189 previously and wrote

"Not as described; meter clearly tampered with after photos in auction. Disputed."

Not sure what it means, but buyer beware.  Especially when previous buyer bought it for $118.15 USD.
 

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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2679 on: August 16, 2018, 12:29:22 pm »
4 years ago, I could probably guess each bidder despite the *** obscurity.
 

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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2680 on: August 16, 2018, 02:08:34 pm »
That 189 sounds familiar. Yes, this was the original listing (beware, eBay is likely to auto-redirect you to a different listing):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/253732641476

It didn't function at all (despite the original description saying that it was working intermittently), was missing an additional screw (unlike the listing photo), had no fuses, and no batteries. Interestingly, the current listing has fuses and batteries in it.

Anyway, I didn't buy it, but I know the person who did and he returned it because it clearly was not as described. The seller was pretty defiant about giving a refund, too.
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2681 on: August 16, 2018, 04:47:10 pm »
I see the history but the link does take me to the recent listing.  Personally, I could care less about the batteries, blown or missing fuses, missing screws, cracks in the lens and corroded battery pins.  The goal is not to restore it.  As long as no unskilled wannabe's have attempted  "repairs", it would be worth $60.  If it's been touched with an iron, price drops to $10.  That's my disposal fee!   :-DD   

I closed my eBay account about the time they bought Paypal and looks like I can't do anything without making a new one.  I would like to see the condition of the board.  Still virgin, I may take a crack at it.   

Bitseeker, if you don't mind, please ask the person who bought it and returned it if they took and pictures of the internals that you could post. 
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2682 on: August 16, 2018, 04:56:52 pm »
I gotcha. Unfortunately, he didn't open it in order to minimize arguments about who did what to it and when. So, the state of the PCB is unknown.
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2683 on: August 16, 2018, 05:19:14 pm »
Ok,  thanks anyway.   Looks like I can't contact the seller without an account to see if they would remove the back cover.  Even just pop the accessory holder off and see if the calibration tamper proof seal is still intact.  Not a great indicator but may be safer than having someone try and open with no ESD protection in a dirty warehouse with a leaking roof with dirty hands and a jackknife for a screwdriver.    :-DD
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2684 on: August 16, 2018, 05:34:12 pm »
The asking prices are a bit high IMO.  I would rather have a new Brymen BM869s.  Some of the ads a funny.  $200 for the meter, $50 for shipping.   :-DD   This one looks decent.  They offer a 30 day return.   Doubt a butcher has been into it.  May  make for a more valid test than having to repair one.     

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluke-189-True-RMS-Digital-Handheld-Multimeter/132719306368?hash=item1ee6afe680:g:wDcAAOSw0BdbWhpV
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2685 on: August 16, 2018, 05:44:01 pm »
scratch that. not the pictures of what you will receive.   :-DD :--  at least when you buy a pos, you know its a pos going into it. 
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2686 on: August 16, 2018, 07:04:18 pm »
I am not going to buy it! There are mossing items! "Power cord not included" :P

IME a Fluke tends to attract buyers and the 187/189 are considered excellent meters. Over the years I sell a meter here and there on the local classified ads (Craigslist) and the only one that garnered a wide number of interested people was the 179. The distant second was a U1233 from Keysight.
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2687 on: August 17, 2018, 04:59:56 am »
Missing power cords a deal breaker for sure.   

Looks like someone put a bid in on the $50 one.  Hopefully it finds a good home vs me sending it to the recycle bins.
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2688 on: August 17, 2018, 06:01:42 am »
why not blow one to hell, then re-list it on EvilBay?  >:D
 

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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2689 on: August 17, 2018, 06:20:18 am »
why not blow one to hell, then re-list it on EvilBay?  >:D

Will it increase the value?   :-DD 
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2690 on: August 17, 2018, 07:12:50 am »
why not blow one to hell, then re-list it on EvilBay?  >:D

Will it increase the value?   :-DD
If it has the grim reaper drawn in joeqsmith style...
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2692 on: August 17, 2018, 08:41:00 am »
Price is a bit high for what I plan to do with it, but then again.   

When my friend gave me the 189, I thought about doing some sort of review and went looking to see what was out there.  Came across this video.  Just watched it again and it's still just as funny.   He starts talking about EEVBLOG and watching Dave stress an old Fluke and how upset he was about it.   Good stuff.  He's not going to like me putting 14KV across one!   :-DD

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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2693 on: August 17, 2018, 09:15:10 am »
20Kv on this meter directly yeah... forget about CAT levels and HV probes.... Maybe another unit will be more pleasant but the effect will be almost the same for the owners of the Fluke 189. CATIII 1000V ???
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2694 on: August 17, 2018, 09:54:45 am »
I'm not thinking Fluke was going to cover that one with their life time warranty.  I wonder what they actually connected it to.  I'll ask.   Guessing a bit more than a grill starter.   :-DD
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2696 on: August 17, 2018, 11:17:29 am »
Just... Throw it in the trashcan... Please...
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2697 on: August 17, 2018, 11:40:13 am »
If I ran it, you know some Fluke fan would be upset.   I can hear it all now,  "You idiot, you destroyed a perfectly good meter!!"  Then Fungus would want me to drop test it and I'm thinking that a roll of electrical tape to hold it together may be cheating.   :-DD   
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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2698 on: August 17, 2018, 01:17:12 pm »
The people who get so upset about destroying a DMM, do they realize what happens to new cars? ;D

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Re: Handheld meter electrical robustness testing.
« Reply #2699 on: August 17, 2018, 01:29:24 pm »
To be honest, I don't believe so.  I see a lot of car analogies posted that go something like: 

"Wait, you just put 2000 volts across a meter that is clearly marked 600volts.  That would be like driving your car into a brick wall at 100 MPH and expecting it to be fine.  Your stupid."   :-DD  :-DD   
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