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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #450 on: March 08, 2024, 12:00:03 am »
I'm pretty certain that it's not the cost of the LCD panel, which dictates the choice of screen resolution. One should consider what higher resolution means: more memory, especially for the "heat map" required for intensity grading, correspondingly more data transfer bandwidth, more processing power...

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Even Rigol have a fixed resolution for the traces, independent of the screen resolution. Yes, their rendering is nicer. Siglent rather focused on DSO functionality instead  >:D

The buffer used for intensity grading is almost certainly realized as block RAM inside the FPGA. Increasing the resolution either means reducing the number of levels or using a larger (more expensive) FPGA with more block RAM. You can do some tricks, like drawing single shot traces/slow timebases using the CPU. But beyond that you mostly just get what you pay for.

Rigol uses a different architecture with a dedicated application processor including a proper GPU. They get high resolution video with nice scaling (and HDMI output) basically for free. It's a different story with the Zynq 7000/Zynq US+ CG SoCs. Those do not come with any hard IP for video, anything you need you have to spend logic resources on. For what it's worth, I doubt this was a major design consideration in either case. It's just the way that things worked out.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #451 on: March 08, 2024, 11:58:45 pm »
I know they have a web server on the scope for remote control, but the web server control is just so slow and unresponsive compared to the knobs or just using a mouse directly with the scope. And the web interface doesn't scale / adjust well with different browser window sizes.

That's a weird take. I've found the web interface to be nearly real time, with no real perceptible lag. I've never had any issues with it. I think if you're experiencing lag issues, it's a network problem, not a scope problem. And I only have an SDS2504XP, which I assume is slower than the newer / higher level HD models.
I think you are aware that this is a thread about 3000X-HD and 1000X-HD. Maybe yor scope is capable of "nearly realtime" but I can assure you that on SDS1000X-HD at least, there is a clear difference between scope screen and what is displayed on the web interface. And no, is not about the network speed.




Well than be correct and specific.
Their what parameter of 10" screen is lagging behind?

Anti glare coating?
Resolution?
Brightens?
View angle?
Color reproduction?
Dynamic response?
Readability of numeric data ?
...


You forgot the contrast rate. This is the only thing I had seen as lower on the SDS1000X-HD. Otherwise is very good.
If you work only with it you will see no issue, but if you compare with DHO1K for ex. you will remark the difference.


About the resolution on 10" I think that is more than enough. I can barely see the pixels.
The proof is that the math traces looks very nice so the display is capable.
I think the discussions about why should be marginal. The scope is very capable through the software applications.
But peoples should see and decide for themself.
They are aware of what is important on a scope are measurement and analisys capabilities.
One should not telling them: "This is only you need to know. The rest is not important for you." 
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #452 on: March 09, 2024, 12:51:11 am »
I know they have a web server on the scope for remote control, but the web server control is just so slow and unresponsive compared to the knobs or just using a mouse directly with the scope. And the web interface doesn't scale / adjust well with different browser window sizes.

That's a weird take. I've found the web interface to be nearly real time, with no real perceptible lag. I've never had any issues with it. I think if you're experiencing lag issues, it's a network problem, not a scope problem. And I only have an SDS2504XP, which I assume is slower than the newer / higher level HD models.
I think you are aware that this is a thread about 3000X-HD and 1000X-HD. Maybe yor scope is capable of "nearly realtime" but I can assure you that on SDS1000X-HD at least, there is a clear difference between scope screen and what is displayed on the web interface. And no, is not about the network speed.
Not seen this.
As an early adopter you may be seeing something that will not be there when western firmware updates get released.
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #453 on: March 09, 2024, 02:20:06 am »
I know they have a web server on the scope for remote control, but the web server control is just so slow and unresponsive compared to the knobs or just using a mouse directly with the scope. And the web interface doesn't scale / adjust well with different browser window sizes.

That's a weird take. I've found the web interface to be nearly real time, with no real perceptible lag. I've never had any issues with it. I think if you're experiencing lag issues, it's a network problem, not a scope problem. And I only have an SDS2504XP, which I assume is slower than the newer / higher level HD models.
I think you are aware that this is a thread about 3000X-HD and 1000X-HD. Maybe your scope is capable of "nearly realtime" but I can assure you that on SDS1000X-HD at least, there is a clear difference between scope screen and what is displayed on the web interface. And no, is not about the network speed.

Maybe record a small side-by-side video-segment with the traces in roll mode on your SDS1000X-HD, alongside your web-screen on this browser-based interface.
Would give an idea of both the update rate & the lag you're experiencing, so things ain't relative, as individual perception can vary a lot from one to the next - would also give other users/owners of various Siglent models (with web-control ability) the chance to relate, and if your scenario also matches their experience or if it's down to fx a given firmware on your early-day's-import unit or third-party network issues.

// An old example https://i.imgur.com/L2IxS2b.mp4 (*APK/IPA/EXE)
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #454 on: March 09, 2024, 07:08:34 am »
Any idea if/when the new releases will have promotions? The SDS2000X HD analysis deal is valid until 6/30 so I doubt it'd be getting any.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #455 on: March 09, 2024, 10:16:56 am »
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Not seen this.
As an early adopter you may be seeing something that will not be there when western firmware updates get released.

Isn't SDS1000X-HD already available on the western market? I am already running 1.1.3.1 Fw. version, that fixed two bugs described earlier.



Maybe record a small side-by-side video-segment with the traces in roll mode on your SDS1000X-HD, alongside your web-screen on this browser-based interface.
Would give an idea of both the update rate & the lag you're experiencing, so things ain't relative, as individual perception can vary a lot from one to the next - would also give other users/owners of various Siglent models (with web-control ability) the chance to relate, and if your scenario also matches their experience or if it's down to fx a given firmware on your early-day's-import unit or third-party network issues.

// An old example https://i.imgur.com/9K0mJxu.mp4 (*APK/IPA/EXE)

yeah clasic ...show us a movie, but whatever you show your scope is broken, or you may have network problems ... Then what for ... ?
The ideea was that one canot reply to a comment that a scope is slow witht he argument that his scope is fast while this is different(SDS2504XP). Maybe his scope is really a Nascar scope :), look at the 2000X-HD which has 4 FPGA's while the 1000X-HD do everything with a sinlge one.

P.S. The scenario with roll mode suggested by you is quite hard.(video replaced with a more focused one) - https://youtube.com/shorts/92lAS9aj12c
A more  normal approach is here in free running. - https://youtu.be/OCh8_iVbInU
And you can exclude the network. I'm good at networks ...
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #456 on: March 09, 2024, 11:54:07 am »
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Isn't SDS1000X-HD already available on the western market?

I haven't seen any in stock at any dealer yet.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #457 on: March 09, 2024, 01:32:43 pm »


Maybe record a small side-by-side video-segment with the traces in roll mode on your SDS1000X-HD, alongside your web-screen on this browser-based interface.
Would give an idea of both the update rate & the lag you're experiencing, so things ain't relative, as individual perception can vary a lot from one to the next - would also give other users/owners of various Siglent models (with web-control ability) the chance to relate, and if your scenario also matches their experience or if it's down to fx a given firmware on your early-day's-import unit or third-party network issues.

// An old example https://i.imgur.com/9K0mJxu.mp4 (*APK/IPA/EXE)

yeah clasic ...show us a movie, but whatever you show your scope is broken, or you may have network problems ... Then what for ... ?
The ideea was that one canot reply to a comment that a scope is slow witht he argument that his scope is fast while this is different(SDS2504XP). Maybe his scope is really a Nascar scope :), look at the 2000X-HD which has 4 FPGA's while the 1000X-HD do everything with a sinlge one.

P.S. The scenario with roll mode suggested by you is quite hard.(video replaced with a more focused one) - https://youtube.com/shorts/92lAS9aj12c
A more  normal approach is here in free running. - https://youtu.be/OCh8_iVbInU
And you can exclude the network. I'm good at networks ...

Calm down, and quit the hysteric tone, Im trying to help you to get your point across,
Nobody is saying you're bad at networking, are you level..
You made a video, hurra, that will give other users an idea on what your experiencing and people with the same web interface can relate to the issues your whining about.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #458 on: March 09, 2024, 01:45:05 pm »

Calm down, and quit the hysteric tone, Im trying to help you to get your point across,
Nobody is saying you're bad at networking, are you level..
You made a video, hurra, that will give other users an idea on what your experiencing and people with the same web interface can relate to the issues your whining about.

You are hysteric one here ...  I am just amused.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #459 on: March 09, 2024, 02:23:48 pm »

Calm down, and quit the hysteric tone, Im trying to help you to get your point across,
Nobody is saying you're bad at networking, are you level..
You made a video, hurra, that will give other users an idea on what your experiencing and people with the same web interface can relate to the issues your whining about.

You are hysteric one here ...  I am just amused.

I doubt it, with that approach. more like a handful as you're concluding things that nobody is saying.
Where does anybody indicate that you're bad at networking.?

What exactly are trying to show with these monotone/consistent waveforms?  https://youtube.com/shorts/92lAS9aj12c - https://youtu.be/OCh8_iVbInU 
Wasn't it the LAG you were whining about,? hence the scenario' that what you saw on your screen, wasn't the same on the web interface and it was very far from an aspect of "real-time".
Usually down to lag, and there is a delay - and both of your videos, mostly give an idea of the update rate... hmm whatever.. lag away..I don't have either of these scopes.. but as mentioned above you can hope for an firmware update, its a very new model.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #460 on: March 09, 2024, 05:01:45 pm »

I doubt it, with that approach. more like a handful as you're concluding things that nobody is saying.
Where does anybody indicate that you're bad at networking.?

What exactly are trying to show with these monotone/consistent waveforms?  https://youtube.com/shorts/92lAS9aj12c - https://youtu.be/OCh8_iVbInU 
Wasn't it the LAG you were whining about,? hence the scenario' that what you saw on your screen, wasn't the same on the web interface and it was very far from an aspect of "real-time".
Usually down to lag, and there is a delay - and both of your videos, mostly give an idea of the update rate... hmm whatever.. lag away..I don't have either of these scopes.. but as mentioned above you can hope for an firmware update, its a very new model.

Your posts are very aggresive. I am not "whining" ...
I have done those videos at your request, even I didn't have the intention before. You intervened in the discussion and ask me. The discussion was about the lag from what you see on the scope screen and what you see on the web browser.
I've should ignore you.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #461 on: March 10, 2024, 04:35:26 pm »
Nobody is aggressive Skander36, but it's an offended way to reply when people trying to help you on ways to get your issue across, - then to second guess one's motives, - as the aspect of what is "realtime" in a given webOS can vary a lot from one to the next - when it's down to something as relative as an individual perception of real-time - and what each of us finds acceptable.

yeah clasic ...show us a movie, but whatever you show your scope is broken, or you may have network problems ... Then what for ... ?
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I'm good at networks ...

I get that your first reply to me, #455, - its likely not directed at me in full, but still its a precarious offended attitude to meet other people who are trying to help you, and then second guess my motive.

It's like you feel I'm attacking you and you need to excuse yourself upfront for whatever your mind can summon of possible attacks, but there is nothing in my first posts #453 that do anything other than try to help you, visualize the issues you're experiencing, that you claim are far from what other users are indicating.
I get' that your offended attitude could be down to other clashes you have had previously, with other users, but maybe not the right approach when users are trying to help you.

As I explained in my first pots, #453 there is both lag (ms delay) and there is the update rate..
It's not the same, and both factors can be a problem when not having a "real-time" experience.
* Lag, as in the timely ms-delay from when things unfold on the screen to it is shown on your WebOS.
* Update rate, the frequency that the WebOS updates your screen content, as it can be close to useless in practise, if it is only a few times per second as we saw in the past on some models..

And you keep referring to "lag", and it ain't real-time, the data that takes place on your scope to when it enters your WebOS, but both your two videos, are with consistent waveforms, that makes it somewhat difficult to tell, what lag you're having, as there could be seconds of lag, or it could be close to instant but with no reference point it's difficult to tell, - its mostly the update rate, your video gives an idea off - but its still better then nothing and other users can relate and inform you if it matches what they are encountering.

Why I showed the old example in #453 as you can sense how far the lagging on the tablet is behind the actual scope, alongside the update rate.
In plan ms-values, its a tad under 1/3 of a sec... web-stopwatch with granular ms-details  https://tinyurl.com/4vymssfp  I get that approach ain't relevant on your scope, and why I showed the rolling/tail as a crude example for that timespan of lag delay  https://i.imgur.com/L2IxS2b.mp4

Anyway, let's move forward, I don't have any horses in this race, don't have this scope you imported from China, but you can put up a small campfire for the future, as there is a big chance that it will be optimized five ways to Sunday, and many of these aspects that you find far from ideal, will only get better.. its very early days for SDS1000X HD.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #462 on: March 10, 2024, 05:52:18 pm »
Man ... free your mind ... too many unreal scenarios about me ... :)
My post was to another post where I said that some scopes can be more powerfull than others so they can have differents response time.So it's beter to compare the same scopes.(For ex. Tautech answer me that it has not seeing lag on 1000X-HD_1 which is ok).
I don't need to hope for an improvement on this issue with web interface (btw. WebOs is on operating system on LG TV's), it is my least problem. I'm glad that they have fixed other things. 

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #463 on: March 10, 2024, 06:22:41 pm »
WebOs is on operating system on LG TV's), it is my least problem
P.S. "I'm good at networks" means "Trust me".
You're one very heavy dude..that's for sure.

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #464 on: March 12, 2024, 06:54:19 pm »
Hello,

I hope that the SDS3000X HD will arrive before Easter 2024.

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #465 on: March 12, 2024, 07:30:34 pm »
Batronix told me around March 29th - But that's already a holiday, so I think more after Easter.
But I wouldn't be sad if they were wrong. ;)
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #466 on: March 12, 2024, 08:12:38 pm »
Hello,

I hope that the SDS3000X HD will arrive before Easter 2024.

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I'm waiting for the little brother still, too. It's been a bit of a strange "release".
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #467 on: March 12, 2024, 09:12:08 pm »
I'm waiting for the little brother still, too. It's been a bit of a strange "release".

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #468 on: March 12, 2024, 09:48:16 pm »
I'm waiting for the little brother still, too. It's been a bit of a strange "release".

Not being able to meet delivery deadlines is something I know enough about, and it's no different for us (at work).
Everyone knows the bottlenecks with electronic components, so you would think that our customers would understand if the deadline is postponed.
But they don't. ;)
That's why I have a certain understanding for the current situation and am making do with the SDS804X HD for the time being. 8)

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #469 on: March 12, 2024, 09:55:57 pm »
I understand that too, life happens. We often don't get to have more time at work, as we deal mostly with legal deadlines, but then, the job depends mostly on our own work.
It just looks to me like there should have been an SDS800 release date, and a different one for the higher-end models. A minimum of a month delay for stock (if not three, as there are quotes for may), just means the scopes are not released.

EDIT: also, there are forum members with an SDS3000X-HD already, am I wrong? Why don't we have any kind of demo if the scopes are already out?
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #470 on: March 12, 2024, 10:02:09 pm »
I knew very early on which models would be coming onto the market and when.
And some of the warehouses were supposed to be full by the deadline, so something unexpected must have happened that prevented this from happening.
The 804 probably still "got through", but not in such quantities that even a distributor like Batronix didn't get any of the cake (Welectron and Batterfly did).


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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #471 on: March 12, 2024, 10:07:12 pm »
Didn't have that data, thanks. I'm just impatient, but complaining is useless I suppose. I'll keep making do with the AD2 then :)
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #472 on: March 13, 2024, 02:28:26 am »
I knew very early on which models would be coming onto the market and when.
And some of the warehouses were supposed to be full by the deadline, so something unexpected must have happened that prevented this from happening.
The 804 probably still "got through", but not in such quantities that even a distributor like Batronix didn't get any of the cake (Welectron and Batterfly did).
Ours are still weeks away having just got off the production line.  :(
US and EU Siglent branches nabbed all the first production runs.....
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #473 on: Today at 12:32:37 am »
Hello,

Batronix has reduced the waiting time for the SDS3000X HD and the SDS1000X HD from 11-21 days to 5-10 days.

So maybe it could come before Easter.

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