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| Fungus:
If the choice is between "Rigol+logic probes" or "Siglent without" then you're on your own. Nobody else knows how likely you are to need the logic stuff. If you choose the new Rigol HDO1000 it should be for the hi-def screen and awesome user interface. Again, it depends on how much you value that sort of thing. Bottom line: Don't obsess over the bullet-points and technicalities, it will get you nowhere. None are perfect, all are good value for money, all will be amazing compared to what you had before. --- Quote from: smallfreak on April 07, 2023, 01:37:18 pm ---Ever had the problem to spend other peoples money for a "maximum solution" you don't even know? |O Splitting the budget into a cheaper scope plus a fancy new SMD soldering station is not part of the insurance contract... --- End quote --- Simple answer: Spend as much as possible! Seems to me like the choices are: * Logic probes/not * Next-gen UI/not * Siglent Pick your priority. |
| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: Fungus on April 07, 2023, 02:38:53 pm ---If the choice is between "Rigol+logic probes" or "Siglent without" then you're on your own. Nobody else knows how likely you are to need the logic stuff. If you choose the new Rigol HDO1000 it should be for the hi-def screen and awesome user interface. Again, it depends on how much you value that sort of thing. Bottom line: Don't obsess over the bullet-points and technicalities, it will get you nowhere. None are perfect, all are good value for money, all will be amazing compared to what you had before. --- Quote from: smallfreak on April 07, 2023, 01:37:18 pm ---Ever had the problem to spend other peoples money for a "maximum solution" you don't even know? |O Splitting the budget into a cheaper scope plus a fancy new SMD soldering station is not part of the insurance contract... --- End quote --- Simple answer: Spend as much as possible! Seems to me like the choices are: * Logic probes/not * Next-gen UI/not * Siglent Pick your priority. --- End quote --- Siglent is next gen GUI with touch screen too. Just different graphic representation. Mac vs Windows type of thing, not Mac vs DOS... New Rigol GUI is more "graphic-y" and that might have appeal to some. Matter of taste. It looks nice, agree.. New HDO1000 is still very new.. Some stuff is not there yet. It will take time before is mature.. Decent hardware, but still work in progress, more like advanced beta stage...Not a problem long term I presume, but if you need something right now maybe not best solution.. At this point SDS2000X+ is "just works" and "bang for the buck" in it's price range. MSO5000 is a bit cheaper, worse in some regards but good in some other.. HDO1000/4000 is very new and I would wait at least 6 more months to give Rigol time to do it right... |
| tautech:
smallfreak, an interesting dilemma. :) A # of points to add from general knowledge gained here are a little from my crystal ball. ;) There is a DIY thread here for LA/MSO probes for the Siglent SDS2kX Plus. It's straightforward to make. If considering LA/MSO, Rigol HDO1000 does not provide it but after reading again it seems you know that. From the crystal ball, SDS1000X HD is only a few weeks away if you can wait for it and it will support LA/MSO albeit with a external active module where at this time no DIY is possible. Recent thread on this series is easy to find and has some more info. Sorry we can't indicate cost yet. :( |
| Martin72:
--- Quote from: smallfreak on April 07, 2023, 01:37:18 pm ---That brings me in the lucky situation to shop for a scope in the 1k to 1.5k price range --- End quote --- As mentioned before, there are only a few in that range. The "old" good known ones, rigol MSO5000 and siglent SDS2000X+ and then the new ones, Rigol DHO1000 and the (currently not avaible) SDS1000X HD. In my opnion, the two last mentioned got only one (in case of the rigol DHO vs rigol MSO two*) advantage and that´s the 12bit resolution. Otherwise, you have to keep in mind that the two are slimmed-down versions of their bigger brothers(2000X HD and DHO4000). So the first decision would be 12 or 8bit... ;) If the last "wins", there are two models waiting for you(in the pricerange). Rigol MSO5000 and Siglent SDS2000X+. I had both... ;) Personally I would prefer the SDS2000X+ for several reasons I can tell when it´s interesting. Otherwise a short list of pro/cons based on "hard facts". Rigol MSO 5000: + Max. 8GSa/s + 2-Ch AWG + HDMI output + 4 mathchannels + Math: digital filters - 9" display, slightly dim - No clear structutured UI - No 50Ohm inputs - Noisy frontend - Still are little bit buggy (but not a kind of showstopping) - Released 2018, EOL unknown - Hackable, but after every new firmware update it needs to behacked again - 350Mhz bandwith max (official) Siglent SDS2000X+: + 10" display, bright and clear + Well structured UI + 50 Ohms inputs + Matured software in general + Low noise frontend + Hackable and hacks persisting after firmware update + Max bandwith up to 500Mhz - 1-ch AWG with rudimentary functions (but with 50Mhz instead 25Mhz the rigol have) - 2 Mathchannels - No video output - No digital filters in math - 2GSa/s max *) The new rigol DHO got a way, way more better UI than the MSO5000 have. |
| smallfreak:
Thank you all for your help. I tried to read all the necessary folowups about the "SDS1000X HD" that might come "soon". Comparing the chinese prices with the European listed prices makes me think that they are at the same level. A simple currency conversion do show a difference of a few bucks only. So I would expect a target price around 900€. Logic and AWG uses the same external components as the SDS2000X-E series. Doing a rough calculation on that, a "full hardware, no license" pack might settle at 1500€, almost identical with the "SDS2104X Plus" in the same "full hardware no license" configuration. They would differ in SDS2104X PlusSDS1074X HDBW10070BW max500200Bit812Samples2G1GAWG50MHz25MHz Whereas I'm not sure why anyone would like to buy the external AWG-Option-kit for 234€ when the SDG1032X is just 50 bucks more with WAY better specs. The MSO5074 is at the same price level, excelling only in the proposed 8G sampling that might have a marginal advantage at the max 350MHz on a single channel. So far the upcoming SDS1000 HD paired with an SDG1032X instead of the "standard" SAG1021I option seems to be a great package for everything up to 200MHz, if the hidden features can get unlocked cheaply. ::) |
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