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Offline Electro FanTopic starter

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Spectrum Analyzer Noise Floor Rise at 2.9GHz - Is it Normal?
« on: December 15, 2015, 05:13:58 am »
Just checking to see if it is normal for an HP8561E (9kHz - 6.5GHz) to have a noise floor rise at about 2.9GHz?  If so, how much?  3dB?  Less?  If it's normal (or not), is there a way to minimize the step up?
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer Noise Floor Rise at 2.9GHz - Is it Normal?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2015, 05:18:59 am »
Yes, it's switching bands internally.  The IF gain has to come up a bit to compensate for the extra front end loss of the preselector.
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer Noise Floor Rise at 2.9GHz - Is it Normal?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2015, 05:39:00 am »
3dB is ok?
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer Noise Floor Rise at 2.9GHz - Is it Normal?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2015, 05:42:33 am »
That looks normal to me.

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer Noise Floor Rise at 2.9GHz - Is it Normal?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2015, 05:45:31 am »
Harmonic mixer in action. I'm not exactly sure why that happens, but I think it's because the higher harmonics have less power than fundamental, so less mixer driving signal => more noise. The 1th mixer sees fundamental and all harmonics at once, since the frequency selection only happens in the front end (YIG tuned filter).

Anyway it's usually a sign that the SA works as it should. See 8566 as example, it uses baseband, 2th, 3th and 4th harmonic, thereby 4 steps in 2-22GHz sweep:
http://www.sglabs.it/public/SgLabs_HP_8566B_1.JPG
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer Noise Floor Rise at 2.9GHz - Is it Normal?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2015, 06:16:51 am »
Looks pretty normal, here is a full sweep with an 8563E:
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer Noise Floor Rise at 2.9GHz - Is it Normal?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2015, 06:29:31 am »
Harmonic mixer in action. I'm not exactly sure why that happens, but I think it's because the higher harmonics have less power than fundamental, so less mixer driving signal => more noise. The 1th mixer sees fundamental and all harmonics at once, since the frequency selection only happens in the front end (YIG tuned filter).

Anyway it's usually a sign that the SA works as it should. See 8566 as example, it uses baseband, 2th, 3th and 4th harmonic, thereby 4 steps in 2-22GHz sweep:
http://www.sglabs.it/public/SgLabs_HP_8566B_1.JPG

Yes, I noticed it is fairly pronounced in various photos of the 8566 - that made me feel better since I think that is like the Daddy or Grand-Daddy of the 856XE series :)
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