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Products => Test Equipment => Topic started by: SharpEars on December 09, 2014, 04:28:35 am
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There are many pictures of the outside of this beast, but I just got one of these and had to take a peek inside with all of the shielding removed. Let me share the view (pre-cleaning):
(http://i.imgur.com/U8fVm0G.png)
A bit dusty in here, but man no less than four transformers (maybe a fifth one stashed under the board at the bottom left) and holy cow if that's not the biggest heat sink I've ever seen in a PS (running horizontally along the center of the image). Quite a bit of empty space in the top right corner around the transformers, which was somewhat unexpected. Btw, what's going on at the top left with those funky coils? That's a wacky arrangement, I have to say.
This thing is a beast weighing in at 62 lbs (28.2 kg) and took quite a bit of strength to get into the basement.
Tell me what you think...
12/15/14 - Update: Added pics of the unit in operation in the following msg: Unit in operation (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hpagilent-6675a-the-120-v-18-a-2000w-monster-power-supply/msg569237/#msg569237)
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Wow.
Does it work?
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Wow.
Does it work?
Heh, don't know I'm waiting for a 3000 Watt 110V to 220V converter to come in the mail, before I can even test it with US line voltage. These supplies (and larger ones) are built to be 200-240V input only, there is no 110/120 volt option.
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Heh, don't know I'm waiting for a 3000 Watt 110V to 220V converter to come in the mail, before I can even test it with US line voltage. These supplies (and larger ones) are built to be 200-240V input only, there is no 110/120 volt option.
That's a strange and expensive option. Are you not aware that nearly all US homes are supplied with 240 V?
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you can't wire in a 240v outlet?
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I'm guessing a dim bulb tester is out of the question here. Good luck on first power up!
Heh, don't know I'm waiting for a 3000 Watt 110V to 220V converter to come in the mail, before I can even test it with US line voltage. These supplies (and larger ones) are built to be 200-240V input only, there is no 110/120 volt option.
That's a strange and expensive option. Are you not aware that nearly all US homes are supplied with 240 V?
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Thanks for the peek inside! Looks really nice!
Compared to the 6010A I looked inside some time ago ( http://www.daqq.eu/?p=838 (http://www.daqq.eu/?p=838) ) it seems to use newer stuff, but there are similarities...
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Heh, don't know I'm waiting for a 3000 Watt 110V to 220V converter to come in the mail, before I can even test it with US line voltage. These supplies (and larger ones) are built to be 200-240V input only, there is no 110/120 volt option.
That's a strange and expensive option. Are you not aware that nearly all US homes are supplied with 240 V?
I am aware of this fact, but the question isn't one of being wired, but one of being wired in a conveniently usable location. I am sure I have 240 V going to some appliance somewhere in the house, but am not willing to move said major appliance out of the way to use the outlet. I need 220/240 V to be available in the basement by my work table, without running conduit with with 240 V from the mains, a major undertaking.
On the expensive option side of the equation, it's nothing compared to the 6675A itself...
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Heh, don't know I'm waiting for a 3000 Watt 110V to 220V converter to come in the mail, before I can even test it with US line voltage. These supplies (and larger ones) are built to be 200-240V input only, there is no 110/120 volt option.
That's a strange and expensive option. Are you not aware that nearly all US homes are supplied with 240 V?
I am aware of this fact, but the question isn't one of being wired, but one of being wired in a conveniently usable location. I am sure I have 240 V going to some appliance somewhere in the house, but am not willing to move said major appliance out of the way to use the outlet. I need 220/240 V to be available in the basement by my work table, without running conduit with with 240 V from the mains, a major undertaking.
On the expensive option side of the equation, it's nothing compared to the 6675A itself...
Do you already have a 25 A or 30 A 120V circuit in that location?
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Do you already have a 25 A or 30 A 120V circuit in that location?
Nope, stuck with a common NEMA 5-20R at the moment, so that's my limit for now. On the other hand, at 20 A, that's still a good 2400 Watts which is close to the limit of its max input (assuming 100% efficiency in the 120 -> 240 V conversion, which is of course is unrealistic - 85% is what I am hoping for).
Realistically, I'm not going to need max load (120 V/18 Amps) capability every day either, though, but it's good to know that it has the capacity, when presented with a proper high amp circuit. I have multiple other high power supplies at the location (e.g., two 60V/9A 6654A and a 35V/15A 6653A, among other lower end HP supplies) and I can't run them full load all at once in any case, nor do I need to.
I will always have the option to wire 240 V to the location if I see a big need, but for now assuming the PS works well, I will be quite happy with what it offers given the circuit and voltage capabilities I presently have.
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That is an interesting power supply. I just can't understand why they used modular jacks as board-to-board connectors :palm: Sooner or later these will cause problems.
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That is an interesting power supply. I just can't understand why they used modular jacks as board-to-board connectors :palm: Sooner or later these will cause problems.
Well one can theorize all one wants, but HP power supplies with their multiple modular jacks have withstood the test of time and been very reliable, some going for over 20 years of daily use and RJ-12 tipped cables were/are relatively cheap, so...
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I just wired a temporary 240 V circuit by using two 180 degree out of phase hot connectors and a ground, because I couldn't wait any longer for the step up transformer to arrive. Talk about creating a temporary fire hazard >:D and breaking multiple codes and ordinances, but hey when there's a need to test, there's a need to test...
The power supply is working perfectly :-+ ! It just needed a slight voltage calibration, which took me all of two minutes to perform using a calibrated HP 6 1/2 digit voltmeter.
Now all I have to do is clean out the dust, close it back up, wire in a proper power connector worthy of its power rating and then I'll post some pics of it in operation...
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Those cores on the top left look like they might be hall effect current transformers?
Tim
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These older HP Power Supplies are just amazing.
I just bought an older analog version, the HP6266B in a broken state and all it needed was a new "Crowbar" resistor.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/hp-6266b-%2840v5a%29-crowbar-repair-and-tear-down-pictures/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/hp-6266b-%2840v5a%29-crowbar-repair-and-tear-down-pictures/)
They take a lot of space away in the lab and they are heavy, but they last almost forever
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These older HP Power Supplies are just amazing.
I just bought an older analog version, the HP6266B in a broken state and all it needed was a new "Crowbar" resistor.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/hp-6266b-%2840v5a%29-crowbar-repair-and-tear-down-pictures/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/hp-6266b-%2840v5a%29-crowbar-repair-and-tear-down-pictures/)
They take a lot of space away in the lab and they are heavy, but they last almost forever
That is exactly why I love these HP/Agilent/Keysight power supplies, 10-15 years old and it's working like new and will easily last another 10-15 or more years. About the only maintenance item is to vacuum dust out of it every fifteen years of heavy usage and even that is optional.
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mmmmm.....that thing is pure pornography.....I would hate to have to pay the power bill on running that thing all day, and then the cost of sucking the heat out of the room....still want it :-+
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mmmmm.....that thing is pure pornography.....I would hate to have to pay the power bill on running that thing all day, and then the cost of sucking the heat out of the room....still want it :-+
When you've running a power supply that consumes in excess of 2,000 watts, you don't need a room heater for that room. In the summer time especially when it gets really hot, I prefer to build/test lower power circuits :-/O .
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If I'm not mistaken, these monster HP supplies have a pre regulator that is an scr chopped supply that feeds the linear portion.
The chopper is pretty efficient as it is on or off, no linear operation and very low heat generated, and course-regulates the raw DC to the linear regulator.
The chopped supply tracks the desired output so the linear section has very low power dissipation and heat as the input/output delta to the linear section is small.
This is also why you don't see a HUGE transformer... keeps the weight down too YEAH, RIGHT! :-DD :-DD :-DD
I am basing this on the HP 6428b that I used at Hughes back in the 80's though.... that was 20v@45amps.
You have a GREAT power supply!
Let's see some front panel pictures too!
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If I'm not mistaken, these monster HP supplies have a pre regulator that is an scr chopped supply that feeds the linear portion.
The chopper is pretty efficient as it is on or off, no linear operation and very low heat generated, and course-regulates the raw DC to the linear regulator.
that explains the 3800VA input requirement as well.
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Let's see some front panel pictures too!
I will definitely post more large operation pics, including the front panel, once I get the power cord and more permanent 240V supply voltage sorted out...
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If I'm not mistaken, these monster HP supplies have a pre regulator that is an scr chopped supply that feeds the linear portion.
The chopper is pretty efficient as it is on or off, no linear operation and very low heat generated, and course-regulates the raw DC to the linear regulator.
The chopped supply tracks the desired output so the linear section has very low power dissipation and heat as the input/output delta to the linear section is small.
This is also why you don't see a HUGE transformer... keeps the weight down too YEAH, RIGHT! :-DD :-DD :-DD
This does not make sense to me:
Why does a scr bases preregulator reduce the transfomer size?
The transformers in these preregulator based power supplies are huge compared to normal ones that use multiple taps at the secondary winding (the preregulator scr is on the red heatsink):
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/hp-6266b-%2840v5a%29-crowbar-repair-and-tear-down-pictures/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/hp-6266b-%2840v5a%29-crowbar-repair-and-tear-down-pictures/)
This monster power supply seems to be a SMPS.
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SCR pre-regulator also requires a massive iron cored choke.
Tim
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I finally finished assembling and installing the 12/3 power cable terminated with a NEMA 6-15P plug (250 V / 15 A) and got the voltage converter (120 V -> 240 V / 3,000 W) working.
So, here's the full frontal pornography as promised. In case it isn't blatantly obvious, the power supply is at the bottom with two 6 1/2 digit voltmeters on top of it. The HP in the middle is the more accurate of the two and well within calibration. Those are hand made 8 AWG copper leads you see coming out of it. The Fluke on top needs a little fine tuning :-/O in the calibration department, but it's not too far off (Elenco leads coming out of that one).
Sadly, there's a narrow scratch on the protective plastic panel which is over the display. It is visible in some of the pics, but is purely cosmetic and doesn't affect operation in any way. It is far more prominent in pics at certain angles than during actual usage, but if anybody knows where I can get a replacement piece of clear plastic, I would be very appreciative.
Sorry, but all pics for now are at no load. It is amazing how accurate the voltages are compared to the typed in settings.
Small note for any photography snobs: All pics were taken at ISO 10,000 hand held on a Canon 6d with basement lighting, so no complaints about ISO noise in the pics, please. Also, I had issues with postimg and switched to imgur through my phone, so the quality has been made much worse. I will fix this when I get home...
You can click on any image to make it larger and click again to reduce it back to "postcard" size:
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Please keep in mind that the unit has 35 mV programming resolution, so it rounds the entered voltages to the nearest discrete step. Treat the HP in the middle's reading as gospel:
120 volt test (no load):
(http://i.imgur.com/oFhgXYn.jpg)
5 volt test (no load):
(http://i.imgur.com/w29EhFf.jpg)
Now you probably would not use a supply like this for a 1.2 volt DUT, would you? That's more of a job for a 6632A, as long as your needs stay under 5 amps. If you do wind up putting this supply to the task though, rest assured that it does a dandy job within its 35 mV programming resolution restrictions, of course:
(http://i.imgur.com/salW3QP.jpg)
The beautiful rear ends, pun intended :) , showing old-school programming interfaces galore:
(http://i.imgur.com/a86RTrx.jpg)
Some load tests coming in the near future (no sexual puns necessary for that statement). But don't expect to see 120 V at 18 Amps, unless I choose to burn my house down :palm: .
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The pictures aren't showing :( .
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The pictures aren't showing :( .
NSFW filter much be rejecting your pornography >:D
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The pictures aren't showing :( .
Some employers (including mine) block postimg.org, that's probably why you are not seeing the images, since I just double checked from another browser and they do work. Usually, you can see if you are being blocked by just trying to go to that site directly: postimg.org (http://postimg.org) . If you are in fact blocked, you can always view this thread at home without any such (communist) restrictions...
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The pictures aren't showing :( .
Some employers (including mine) block postimg.org, that's probably why you are not seeing the images, since I just double checked from another browser and they do work. Usually, you can see if you are being blocked by just trying to go to that site directly: postimg.org (http://postimg.org) . If you are in fact blocked, you can always view this thread at home without any such (communist) restrictions...
postimg.org is not blocked for me, but can't see the images in the post.
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The pictures aren't showing :( .
Some employers (including mine) block postimg.org, that's probably why you are not seeing the images, since I just double checked from another browser and they do work. Usually, you can see if you are being blocked by just trying to go to that site directly: postimg.org (http://postimg.org) . If you are in fact blocked, you can always view this thread at home without any such (communist) restrictions...
postimg.org is not blocked for me, but can't see the images in the post.
OK, just tried on my iPhone as a third point of reference and they download fine. I think this must be a regional thing where they are blocked outside of the US by postimg for whatever reason. I am going to re-upload them to a better image hosting site and update this post when I get home (give me about 9-10 hours and try again).
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The pictures aren't showing :( .
Some employers (including mine) block postimg.org, that's probably why you are not seeing the images, since I just double checked from another browser and they do work. Usually, you can see if you are being blocked by just trying to go to that site directly: postimg.org (http://postimg.org) . If you are in fact blocked, you can always view this thread at home without any such (communist) restrictions...
postimg.org is not blocked for me, but can't see the images in the post.
me neither
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OK folks, I switched from postimg to imgur and hopefully everyone around the world can view the pics now at the following link to the message on the previous page: unit in operation (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hpagilent-6675a-the-120-v-18-a-2000w-monster-power-supply/msg569237/#msg569237)
If you still have issues viewing the pics, it's got to be your employer blocking your access (I hope...).
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Great pics! Also, imgur, imgur, imgur - I can't see any reason to use another image host whatsoever unless you want to include spam with your pics.
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Or attach them on the forum, so they're accessible as long as the forum is.
Tim
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Great pics! Also, imgur, imgur, imgur - I can't see any reason to use another image host whatsoever unless you want to include spam with your pics.
I am definitely sold! The only thing I don't like so far is that imgur converted my PNG files to JPG - not something I wanted.
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Or attach them on the forum, so they're accessible as long as the forum is.
Tim
Yes but there are size limits and bandwidth costs on attachments that end up costing Dave money hosting them ;D
Imgur is so simple, anonymous, and free to use and has more bandwidth than any other hosting provider out there. It also automatically strips out meta data, like GPS co-ordinates of the photographer and stuff like that. It spits out ready made links for all the major forum software and media sites like reddit too. There are no shitty adverts or malware or other crap involved to just simply view an image. It's great.
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I believe Dave stated before that forum attachments are preferred. I've heard no complaints over bandwidth; this is a fairly busy forum, so he's not going to be paying for a bargain basement server regardless!
There might be legitimate reasons to avoid both attachments and free image hosts. Copyright retention is one. Many hosting sites claim ownership of material posted to them; every single status and photograph on Facebook, for example.
I believe this forum makes no special claims to submitted material, so that's not a big deal, but if you want to minimize file duplication, or retain the ability to modify at will, you might choose to host files yourself.
Personally, I almost always host images myself, but that's because I have it set up for basically one-click uploads. :P
Tim
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I believe Dave stated before that forum attachments are preferred. I've heard no complaints over bandwidth; this is a fairly busy forum, so he's not going to be paying for a bargain basement server regardless!
There might be legitimate reasons to avoid both attachments and free image hosts. Copyright retention is one. Many hosting sites claim ownership of material posted to them; every single status and photograph on Facebook, for example.
I believe this forum makes no special claims to submitted material, so that's not a big deal, but if you want to minimize file duplication, or retain the ability to modify at will, you might choose to host files yourself.
Personally, I almost always host images myself, but that's because I have it set up for basically one-click uploads. :P
Tim
This has gotten somewhat off topic (not to mention off forum), but I like the idea of an image hosting site like imgur specifically because I can use links to those images on other forums as well. If Dave hosts the image here, I will need to re-upload to use the image somewhere else. So, basically with imgur it's a win/win situation (Dave doesn't have to pay hosting fees and I get to reuse the image links in other forums).