Is Rigol DS1054Z still a good option in 2019?

[Fungus]

If it was 50 bucks more, I would agree.

On Tequipment.net it is less than 50 bucks more compared to the DS1054Z. IOW: you have to shop around a bit to get a good price.

Yep. The price of the Instek is very variable for some reason. If you can get one at a good price, go for it. If not, get one of the others.

[Fungus]

Then please read a review before making wrong assumption.

It should be enough to trust on the specs they disclaim,

Not the Instek. 

Insteks use a software plugin system so things like serial decoders aren't officially available on the base model but they can be hacked using the serial decoder modules from higher models (they're all compatible).

[Martin72]

Oh...thank god, no gateway error 502 at last ( for nearly 12 hours here).

I don´t like price comparisions when model xyz would be hacked.
You pay for example 400 bucks, what do you get for ("raw").
Despite from this, 1MP FFT is an advantage against the 1000Z what the GW Instek concerns.
If 10Mpts memory is really valid for each channel independent, it would be an advantage too(I don´t think so, it would be).
Display size and resolution are the same, don´t know about the intensity grade capabilities of the instek.
Fact is, you can get the "old" rigol with nearly all options (official) for under 400 bucks, starting at 50 Mhz bandwith.
The title of this thread was " is the rigol ds1054z still a good option in 2019" .
I would say yes.
Maybe for some reasons what so ever no, but in genereal yes, of course.

[memed]

The whole idea of "bang for the buck" is what is best i can get for the money I have in my hand..

For the Rigol DS1054Z kind of money, Rigol DS1054Z is still best bang for the buck.
For the Siglent SDS1104X-E kind of money,SDS1104X is BBFTB .
For Rigol MSO5000 kind of money MSOX5000 is BBFTB .
For Siglent SDS5000X kind of money SDS5000X seems to be BBFTB.

Is the Rigol DS1054Z still good option for this money in 2024? (4CH 50MHz £352 )
Siglent SDS1202X-E 2CH 200MHz £336

Should I consider Rigol or keep looking for something else?

[Fungus]

Is the Rigol DS1054Z still good option for this money in 2024? (4CH 50MHz £352 )

NO!

Get a Rigol DHO804, it's two orders of magnitude better for approximately the same money.

[themadhippy]

it's two orders of magnitude better for approximately the same money.

the 804's 20% more than the 1054 here in the uk

or keep looking for something else?

If your in no rush it  might be worth while waiting to see what price the new siglent comes in at,it may even force further price drops on older models

[Fungus]

it's two orders of magnitude better for approximately the same money.

the 804's 20% more than the 1054 here in the uk

Brexit...? 

It's really not a good idea to buy a DS1054Z just to save a few quid though. THE DHO804 can easily be hacked to 200MHz and the DS1054Z is an antique by comparison.

I notice a two channel Siglent was mentioned as well, even though this is a Rigol thread. There's a cheaper, 2-channel Rigol DHO802 if 2 channels is enough (ie. simple, analog-only work)

nb. I wouldn't buy that Siglent either, and for the same reasons. Siglent's response to the Rigol DHO800 is supposed to appear soon but AFAIK there's no launch date or definitive pricing yet.

[themadhippy]

Brexit...?

Always been that way,sod the exchange rate just swap the $ for £ no one will notice.

[tautech]

Siglent's response to the Rigol DHO800 is supposed to appear soon but AFAIK there's no launch date or definitive pricing yet.

Officially or to share. 

[memed]

Yes Rigol DHO800 series shows nice specs but just noticed it doesn't decode CAN  :'(
I would like to have CAN to possibly learn something new in free time...
Is the DHO800 much better than Siglent SDS1104X-E ??
Both can be hacked to bring up performance
DS1054Z have some kind good well thought UI
Just watched review about DHO800 and looks a bit more complicated for newbie than DS1054Z 

If your in no rush it  might be worth while waiting to see what price the new siglent comes in at

I can wait a wee while, does a Siglent says something about new coming model?

[tautech]

If your in no rush it  might be worth while waiting to see what price the new siglent comes in at

I can wait a wee while, does a Siglent says something about new coming model?

Release is now just a few weeks away.
Relevant threads:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds800x-hd-12-bit-dsos-coming/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1000x-hd-coming/

[Martin72]

Is the DHO800 much better than Siglent SDS1104X-E ??

Much better...Not.
It is definitely "better" in terms of display, UI and resolution.
On the other hand, there are features that the Rigol does not have.
I still wouldn't want to go back to the SDS1000X-E, because its successor is in the starting blocks.

Both can be hacked to bring up performance

Well...You can see it this way, I wouldn´t.
With the Rigol it is the (unofficial) bandwidth and memory depth, with the Siglent it is the (official) bandwidth and WiFi (afaik).
But that's about it.

DS1054Z have some kind good well thought UI

That might be your personal opinion.

Just watched review about DHO800 and looks a bit more complicated for newbie than DS1054Z

Phew...
The DHO currently has one of the best UIs on the affordable market, if you compare it directly with the DS1054Z (but also with the SDS1000X-E), there's a world of difference.
I wouldn't want to buy a DS1054Z or an SDS1000X-E today, given the successors of rigol and soon also siglent.

[Fungus]

Yes Rigol DHO800 series shows nice specs but just noticed it doesn't decode CAN  :'(
I would like to have CAN to possibly learn something new in free time...

You can easily enable CAN.

Just change one file on the internal disk and a DHO800 will believe it's a DHO900.

[memed]

You can easily enable CAN.

Just change one file on the internal disk and a DHO800 will believe it's a DHO900.

Anybody tried that and decode worked?
It would be good news to me

[Fungus]

Anybody tried that and decode worked?
It would be good news to me

I haven't tried using it but it's definitely listed as a decoder on mine.

Martin72 has tested it with his Batronix test board, I'm sure he'd have said something if CAN bus decoding didn't work. Right, Martin...?

[Martin72]

Hi,
CAN I didn't test because I never hacked to 900.
But I've tested all other decoders and they worked fine to me.
No reason to think that CAN wouldn't function.

[memed]

I would believe CAN to work in that case.
In new Rigol models there is less 2 horizontal divisions
Is it not best to have more divisions on the screen?
Even handheld Owon HDS models have more divisions on such a small screen 3.5". Why not new Rigol
I can afford DHO804 model (£406) but found on sale DHO1072 only 2CH for £480
Is it worth to consider better model but only 2CH?
I want to learn as much as possible with scope and not sure yet what for would need 4CH?

[Martin72]

In new Rigol models there is less 2 horizontal divisions

Hm ?

I want to learn as much as possible with scope and not sure yet what for would need 4CH?

Nobody can answer that, because we don't know what you want to do with a scope in the future.
I only know one thing, if the day comes when you have to measure more than two channels at the same time and you only have 2 channels, then you're screwed...

[Fungus]

I would believe CAN to work in that case.1

There's a guy here doing CAN decoding:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-dho800900-scope/msg5289073/#msg5289073

In new Rigol models there is less 2 horizontal divisions
Is it not best to have more divisions on the screen?

What do you mean?

[memed]

In new Rigol models there is less 2 horizontal divisions
Is it not best to have more divisions on the screen?
Even handheld Owon HDS models have more divisions on such a small screen 3.5". Why not new Rigol

I mean display division horizontal x vertical grid
SDS1204x have 14x8
DS1054Z have 12x8
and DHO804 have only 10x8
Is it not too few?

[Fungus]

Is it not too few?

No.

You'll completely stop thinking about that after a day of using one. It makes NO difference in practice.

[xrunner]

I want to learn as much as possible with scope and not sure yet what for would need 4CH?

You need a four channel scope if you want to look at more than the two signals that a two channel scope can give you.

I know it sounds simple but it's pretty obvious really. I have only used a four channel scope (DS1054Z) to record four  waveforms at once from some old Tektronix plug-ins in some of my repair threads, so people can see what the different parts of the circuit show when operating properly, so they can repair the same plug-ins.

I upgraded to a Siglent SDS2202X-E last year from the four channel Rigol DS1054Z because I wanted more bandwidth and didn't really need four channels most of the time now. But the Rigol is still here on the shelf if needed. 

[memed]

True, 4CH would be better for sure

No.
You'll completely stop thinking about that after a day of using one. It makes NO difference in practice.

I believe you because of your experience but just trying to figure out why shorter signal on the screen doesn't make difference in practice.
No point to wait for new model from rigol because will be same I guess but maybe siglent will show up soon to answer to DHO800/900 

[Fungus]

I believe you because of your experience but just trying to figure out why shorter signal on the screen doesn't make difference in practice.

What does it prevent me from achieving?

I could still read a book if the pages weren't as tall.

(...or even if they were longer, who decided the standard shape of a book anyway?)

[Martin72]

..maybe siglent will show up soon to answer to DHO800/900

Which then also has 10 horizontal divisions.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-sds800x-hd-first-bactch-unboxing-and-noise-compare-with-dho800/msg5238453/#msg5238453