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| Fungus:
--- Quote from: tautech on August 04, 2019, 12:17:29 am --- --- Quote from: Mr. Scram on August 04, 2019, 12:11:37 am ---Correct. If you want the relevant bits of those you'd opt for a Keysight oscilloscope instead of a Rigol. That's why Siglent made sure it was "inspired" by Keysight equipment. It facilitates that comfortable transition when people are done with amateur kit. --- End quote --- :-DD And at what price point ? --- End quote --- The step from a Siglent to a Keysight is about the same as the step from a Rigol DS1054Z to a Siglent. You'd think a Siglent dealer would know that. :-// With the Keysight you actually will get a "snappy" user interface and some decent processing power, too. Note that it's two analog channels and one digital channel ("2+1") so you can decode SPI, no problem. PS: You can also get the "edu" version for less than $500 and mod it to a full Keysight DSOX1102X. It's not a mod for the faint-hearted though. |
| tv84:
--- Quote from: Vaiti on August 04, 2019, 07:56:17 am ---And don't try to argue price, price apparently doesn't matter, that is the entire "squabble" here isn't it? --- End quote --- No! Price is precisely the point! You can look at the hundreds of threads like this, in this forum, and you'll see that, in the end, all scopes that have been discussed do the job that the OPs require. So, if you can do the job with less buy the cheaper that does the job. If you want one that may someday be used in a unicorn situation, and are willing to spend that money, then go that way. This is all about bang for the bucks, and all these scopes have aprox. the same bang for the bucks ratio!! If you want more bang, then add more bucks. If the bang is enough, stop there! In case of doubts, go for the KS UXR and it should get you covered. PS: Definitely, this should be a sticky! |
| Fungus:
--- Quote from: Vaiti on August 04, 2019, 07:56:17 am ---I mean since Rigol scopes belong in a dumpster, even tho they more than do the job but aren't as nice as Siglent's. Doesn't Siglent belong in a dumpster next to these brands? So why would I bother with a middle ground? If I'm going all in, I might as well go ALL IN. And don't try to argue price, price apparently doesn't matter, that is the entire "squabble" here isn't it? --- End quote --- Yep. Any argument that "spending a bit more is always worth it in the long run" should lead you to buying a $670 Keysight, not a $500 Siglent. If you can afford the Siglent there's no reason why you can't afford the Keysight and the Keysight makes the Siglent look like a toy (plus it has way better support, etc). |
| Fungus:
--- Quote from: tv84 on August 04, 2019, 09:01:36 am ---In case of doubts, go for the KS UXR and it should get you covered. PS: Definitely, this should be a sticky! --- End quote --- Yep. You want to see four wiggly lines and do some basic decoding? Get a Rigol. You want to go further and do some real signal analysis or extended decoding then the Keysight is the way to go. It's ASIC based and has the processing power to do it properly. As far as number of channels goes? I think I could probably live with the Keysight 2+1 system (two analog, one digital). |
| BillB:
--- Quote from: Vaiti on August 04, 2019, 11:30:29 am --- --- Quote from: tv84 on August 04, 2019, 09:01:36 am ---No! Price is precisely the point! --- End quote --- I agree entirely. Bang for buck. It's the fud and hyperbole that people in this thread are throwing around about Rigol belonging in a dumpster that I take issue with. The OP wants to know if the Rigol DS1054Z is still a good option in 2019. And the answer is just yes. It is. For it's price right now, in 2019, it is still an amazing bang for buck. If you have a little extra get the Siglent SDS1104X-E. But the rhetoric here that Rigol shouldn't even be considered and that Siglent is the entry level I just find off putting. Esspecially since it simply isn't true. ...I will spend weeks researching and looking up information about test equipment I am interesting in having at home. Price does matter. I'm annoyed because it's this sort of squabbling that has wasted hours of my time when trying to sort out what to get. --- Quote from: tautech on August 03, 2019, 09:30:09 pm ---that adds up to a significant saving in personal hobbyist time, something we are always short of to pursue our interests. --- End quote --- :-DD :-DD --- End quote --- You could ask Dave to refund your price of admission if you think you aren't getting value from these posts? ;) Seriously, the OP's question was effectively answered by post 7 or 8. Valid points were raised regarding the OPs brand familiarity, budget, and future requirements. Counterpoints were raised and the usual pissing contest ensued. If this theme bothers you, prepare to be disappointed with every other "What thing should I buy?" thread on the entirety of the internet. There are a lot of extremely knowledgeable posters here with a lot of professional experience that provide valuable insight into the nuances of using this gear. At the same time, everyone eventually develops brand loyalty just by usage and familiarity alone. Some features are more important to some than others, etc. I don't think anyone here said that Rigol belongs in the dumpster for home/hobby use. Some implied that it might not be a good choice for a professional setting. Some countered. Some stirred the pot (myself included :D) Welcome to the internet. |
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