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Offline Odd

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #125 on: January 24, 2020, 05:13:58 pm »
so my is v00.04.04.03.05
since that, I can get those issues fixed:

v00.04.04.04.02  - Add new encoder drivers
v00.04.04.04.03  - Fixed the wave error when STOP and changing Timebase

- So it should be safe to upload the latest version (?) 
- should I expect the unlocked features to be preserved or removed by the upgrade?
 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #126 on: January 24, 2020, 05:54:32 pm »
I'm running the newest version 00.04.04.04.03 (00.04.04.SP4).
I do not see any reason not to upgrade.

All unlocked features and 100MHz BW option will be preserved.
 
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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #127 on: February 28, 2020, 04:10:21 pm »
Hi

Just bought a DS1074Z Plus with all options enabled except 100Mhz
Software version is 00.04.04.SP4 - 00.04.04.04.02

Tried to enable 100Mhz with Riglol 1.03d running on my Windows PC
But the scope say "Invalid Key".
I have tried to enter the key with the scope's keypad and with Telnet. Same result.

Tried different Riglol versions / pages, all produced the same key.

Updated the software to ver. 00.04.04.04.03, the latest.

Tried again to enter the 100Mhz key into the scope both with the scope's keypad and with Telnet.
The scope  say "Invalid Key".

I have generated keys for DSEA and DSER option. All "Invalid Key".

Have someone tried to enter key for software 00.04.04.04.02 and/or 00.04.04.04.03 ?


 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2020, 04:21:05 pm »
Hi

Just bought a DS1074Z Plus with all options enabled except 100Mhz
Software version is 00.04.04.SP4 - 00.04.04.04.02

Tried to enable 100Mhz with Riglol 1.03d running on my Windows PC
But the scope say "Invalid Key".
I have tried to enter the key with the scope's keypad and with Telnet. Same result.

Tried different Riglol versions / pages, all produced the same key.

Updated the software to ver. 00.04.04.04.03, the latest.

Tried again to enter the 100Mhz key into the scope both with the scope's keypad and with Telnet.
The scope  say "Invalid Key".

I have generated keys for DSEA and DSER option. All "Invalid Key".

Have someone tried to enter key for software 00.04.04.04.02 and/or 00.04.04.04.03 ?

DS1074Z Plus uses rigup method AFAIR. Not the simple riglol.
 
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Offline Fungus

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #129 on: February 28, 2020, 05:36:57 pm »
Yep. The "Plus" version is different.
 
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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #130 on: April 21, 2020, 04:45:38 am »
I tried that, got a key generated, the key contains the numbers 1, and 0, which are two digits which are not avaliable in the Rigol's alphanumeric key board: Utility>options>Setup>Editor...
any ideas how to go about it?
thanks
 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #131 on: April 21, 2020, 04:26:00 pm »
I tried that, got a key generated, the key contains the numbers 1, and 0, which are two digits which are not avaliable in the Rigol's alphanumeric key board: Utility>options>Setup>Editor...
any ideas how to go about it?
thanks

You DO NOT use the "private key" to unlock the scope!

(This key appears before you actually enter the 4-letter option code so it can't be the right code...)

When you have entered the serial number of your scope + the option code (for example "DSER") you can press the "Generate" button.

*Then* the correct code should appear in a small message window which you can use to unlock the scope.
(But enter it without the hyphens / Bindestriche!)

 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #132 on: May 14, 2020, 03:21:32 pm »
If anyone has managed to hack the DS1074Z Plus then I'd be very interested to hear how they did it! I have the memory dump from my scope and the hacked version of rigup (MSO1000Z version) but I cannot get it to work. It seems I have all the pieces but I cannot get them to fit!

Another thing that I noticed was that the serial number found by rigup's scan of the memory dump was incorrect. However, even after using rigup's 'serial' command to fix this I'm still getting invalid licenses. It's worth noting that there may possibly be a problem with the way that rigup interprets the code for the license required. So at tv84's suggestion I've been using the hex code '0xC71A1' to generate the 'DSER' code. It's also worth noting that the code 'RSPB' produces the same result! If any of this is confusing then hey! welcome to the club...

 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #133 on: October 18, 2020, 05:22:21 am »
Rigol DS1054Z is still hackable

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #134 on: October 18, 2020, 09:54:28 am »
Rigol DS1054Z is still hackable

Looks like you missed one, the 500uV/div upgrade.

The 500uV/div option is very useful when using the scope with small signals in 'High Res' mode, or in 'Average' mode in order to improvise a lock-in amplifier.

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #135 on: October 18, 2020, 10:09:55 am »
The 500µV/div option is NOT totally supported by the DS1000Z scope.
It is generally NOT recommended to enable it by this forum.
 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #136 on: October 18, 2020, 07:58:04 pm »
Rigol DS1054Z is still hackable
Looks like you missed one, the 500uV/div upgrade.

He did it correctly. The DS1054Z doesn't have that range (and I wish Riglol would remove it to avoid problems).
 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #137 on: October 19, 2020, 05:18:32 am »
500uV/div works great in my oscilloscope, and is very useful.

No idea what you guys are talking about.  What problems?

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #138 on: October 19, 2020, 10:35:45 am »
500uV/div works great in my oscilloscope, and is very useful.

No idea what you guys are talking about.  What problems?

The text "500uV" appears on screen, sure, but take a closer look at the pixels...
 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #139 on: October 19, 2020, 01:17:00 pm »
This is childish already.  Yes, what about the pixels?

"not totally supported", "generally not recommended", "by this forum", "I wish it removed",  "take a closer look"

Are you gonna point out what would be that problem(s) with the 500uV/div, or just throw blanket affirmations while stating the hate for some random option?  Pixels are not doubled, look at the sinusoidal waveform and you'll see plenty of one pixel.  Averaging is like oversampling in ADC, together with the noise they increase the ADC resolution, therefore 500uV/div still shows independent pixels while averaging.

I found the 500uV/div very useful, for example I recently measured with it contact resistance, and found some shorted MLCC using a tape recorder head as a magnetic field probe for AC.  It is also useful when reading measurements made by the scope, because those measurements are made by the displayed pixels, therefore in 500uV/div I can get more precise numbers.

Same when integrating the values while emulating a lock-in amplifier, the resolution is increased.  The fact that there is no input divider for that range is irrelevant when averaging, and that is where having it enabled makes the difference.

To me, 500uV/div was useful many times already, and it works just fine, and I totally don't get it why some of you want it removed with such passion.

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #141 on: October 19, 2020, 03:49:36 pm »
PLL jitter and 500uV/div are not related, so I don't understand why the quote is about PLL and the question is about 500uV.

Anyway, I have the 500uV installed, and it always worked (as far as I can remember). The only problem with it was that if you don't recalibrate after installing the 500uV/div option, then the trace can have a big offset on the screen.

Even if theoretically the 500uV option kind of "works", the analog front end in DS1054Z is very noisy. For 500uV/div with no probes attached I have a noise of about 2-3 divisions pk-pk depending on what channel I am looking at, so it's almost unusable.

If you need an oscilloscope for small signals, then the DS1054Z is not the right tool.

To quote @RoGeorge's own words...

I seem to recall people saying that even after re-calibration, they were not able to move some traces onto the screen. 
Which tells me the 500µV/div scale is not even part of the calibration process. 
(Wish I could find the reference.  Must be in the enormous Rigol thread.)


For those that enable the 500µV/div option, it will be a good exercise in "How to remove undesirable options?".
 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #142 on: October 19, 2020, 04:48:06 pm »
That quote of mine was about the noise without averaging.

Later I found out where the 500uV/div really shine:  It is very useful when using the the oscilloscope as a lock-in amplifier.  This is the 3rd time when I say it, all the pitfalls goes away when the scope is in Average mode (press the Acquire -> Mode -> Average).  Between 2 and 1024 traces (screens) can be averaged this way.

A lock-in amplifier is a device to measure very small AC signals of constant value and frequency when we have a strong reference signal that is synchronous with the small one we want to measure.  A similar functionality can be implemented with a Rigol DS1054Z set in the Average mode.  One channel will get the strong signal to synchronize the oscilloscope, while the other channel is set to the maximum sensitivity, here on 500uV/div.

Since the noise is random and has zero average value, it will cancel out itself.  Since the small signal we want to measure is synchronous, it will not cancel out.  As a result, the very small signal of interest that was flooded in noise before, is now perfectly clean and visible as seen in this capture (the capture was taken while measuring a 20 mili-ohms or so contact resistance):



To be more precise, the signal to noise ratio improves with \$\sqrt{N}\$, where \$N\$ is the number of averaged traces (max 1024).

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #143 on: October 19, 2020, 06:03:07 pm »
Others who have had negative experiences:

   https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol_s-internal-i2c-bus/msg338032/#msg338032

   https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol_s-internal-i2c-bus/msg346806/#msg346806

@RoGeorge:
   Just because you have been **FORTUNATE** and find the 500µV/div option to be useful,
does NOT mean everyone else will have the same experience. 
   We are just trying to warn people that enabling the option is hit-or-miss.  More miss!
   I find it disingenuous of you to go around telling people the option is a done-deal when it's NOT.

It is NOT an option you can purchase from Rigol.    |O
Ever wonder why?
 

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Re: is Rigol DS1054Z still hackable ?
« Reply #144 on: October 19, 2020, 07:38:39 pm »
I think the 100 MHz option is not offered as an upgrade key to buy it from Rigol either, but I didn't checked later, and I won't insist with this.

My advice is to install all the options, including the 500uV/div one.  There's nothing to lose in trying it.  Maybe the new owner's oscilloscope works just fine even when on 500uV/div, like mine.

In case it doesn't work, all the options can be removed by sending the SCPI command (for example from the Ultra-Sigma program, or any other preferred SCPI tool):
Code: [Select]
:SYSTem:OPTion:UNINSTall
then install again whatever key is preferred.

To install a key, the SCPI command is
Code: [Select]
:SYSTem:OPTion:INSTall <license_string_key_made_of_28_characters_only_capital_letters_and_numbers>


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