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Is the RiGOL DS1054Z still Dave's choice for under $500?
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2N3055:

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--- Quote from: EEVblog on November 24, 2022, 11:38:40 pm ---I do believe the general concensus is that the Siglent is the more bang-per-buck option, but the Rigol is cheaper and still a pretty good option.
I don't know if my original 1054Z is still the current hardware and suitable for a modern shootout?

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Don't forget to include GW Instek 1054B and MicSig TO1000 in such a shootout.
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The Micsig is not a comparative bench scope.

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Ofcourse it is. Don't get fooled by the form factor; it is a full fledged bench oscilloscope. It has all the right features to make it a true bench oscilloscope. Rock solid firmware as well. It is not a 'typical' handheld/portable DSO-ish device that can only show some wiggly lines. You'd be wrong to leave the MicSig TO1000 (or one of the recent incarnations with knobs) out in a US $500 price bracket shootout.

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I partially disagree. It is something in between handheld and desktop scope.
I have Micsig STO1004 and had Rigol DS1074Z.
And I like Micsig but I bought it as a portable scope.
It has nice big screen, battery, filters in channels, etc. It is more responsive too.
But it has no statistics on measurements, list mode on decodes is text mode only and works in some separate acquisition mode. You cannot have both on the screen or even switch back and forth.
It can be used as a basic desktop scope, but even DS1000Z is more rounded in general. But decoding works better on Micsig for instance. And FFT is much better. So it, again, depends what is important to user. To some Micsig would be better, to some not.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on November 25, 2022, 09:30:01 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 25, 2022, 02:08:02 am ---Ofcourse it is. Don't get fooled by the form factor; it is a full fledged bench oscilloscope. It has all the right features to make it a true bench oscilloscope. Rock solid firmware as well. It is not a 'typical' handheld/portable DSO-ish device that can only show some wiggly lines. You'd be wrong to leave the MicSig TO1000 (or one of the recent incarnations with knobs) out in a US $500 price bracket shootout.

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It would be a $500 price bracket bench scope shootout.
If you don't like that then you are free to make your own shootout  :P

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But why do you not qualify the TO1000 as a bench scope? By all means it is a bench scope. Just like the new (flat) Tektronix you reviewed. Or wouldn't you classify that as a bench scope either?

@2N3055: you do realise that you are just comparing feature sets here? On the contrary: the TO1000 can make videos of signals (which none of the other scopes have) and it has filtering (which Rigol & Siglent  don't have), the screen is much bigger and the memory of the current models is the biggest (70Mpts). On the Rigol decoding doesn't even seem to be useful... So yes, there are differences that affect usefullness for some use cases, but discarding the TO1000 series in a $500 dollar scope comparison just because of the form factor -and the current models do have knobs- is a mistake.
JenniferG:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on November 25, 2022, 09:30:01 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 25, 2022, 02:08:02 am ---Ofcourse it is. Don't get fooled by the form factor; it is a full fledged bench oscilloscope. It has all the right features to make it a true bench oscilloscope. Rock solid firmware as well. It is not a 'typical' handheld/portable DSO-ish device that can only show some wiggly lines. You'd be wrong to leave the MicSig TO1000 (or one of the recent incarnations with knobs) out in a US $500 price bracket shootout.

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It would be a $500 price bracket bench scope shootout.
If you don't like that then you are free to make your own shootout  :P

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I like it because that's my dollar limit I set.  Seems like it would be a great video :) Perhaps Siglent, Rigol and Gwinstek will each send you a new unit for the shoot out? :)
2N3055:

--- Quote from: nctnico on November 25, 2022, 10:33:32 am ---
@2N3055: you do realise that you are just comparing feature sets here? On the contrary: the TO1000 can make videos of signals (which none of the other scopes have) and it has filtering (which Rigol & Siglent  don't have), the screen is much bigger and the memory of the current models is the biggest (70Mpts). On the Rigol decoding doesn't even seem to be useful... So yes, there are differences that affect usefullness for some use cases, but discarding the TO1000 series in a $500 dollar scope comparison just because of the form factor -and the current models do have knobs- is a mistake.

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I said my opinion on featureset, you are correct. Some of the features you mention are not on sub 500$ scopes. I paid more than 500$ for mine too..

Please leave me out of your semantic dispute with Dave on "what does the desktop scope means".
My opinion on this is: His comparison, his rules...

Best,
balnazzar:

--- Quote from: tautech on November 25, 2022, 02:44:51 am ---
--- Quote from: balnazzar on November 25, 2022, 01:57:46 am ---Don't forget you can Bode plot on the Siglent. Sooner or later, one *has* to do some basic FRA. It has even be hacked so to allow Bode plotting with cheap non-Siglent AWGs. Like, the fy6900-6600 for sure.

OTOH, I find the 1104x-e is damn loud (no idea about 1054Z or Instek loudness).

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FTFY

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In which sense?  8)
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