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Is the RiGOL DS1054Z still Dave's choice for under $500?
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nctnico:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on November 26, 2022, 03:01:22 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 25, 2022, 10:33:32 am ---
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--- Quote from: nctnico on November 25, 2022, 02:08:02 am ---Ofcourse it is. Don't get fooled by the form factor; it is a full fledged bench oscilloscope. It has all the right features to make it a true bench oscilloscope. Rock solid firmware as well. It is not a 'typical' handheld/portable DSO-ish device that can only show some wiggly lines. You'd be wrong to leave the MicSig TO1000 (or one of the recent incarnations with knobs) out in a US $500 price bracket shootout.

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It would be a $500 price bracket bench scope shootout.
If you don't like that then you are free to make your own shootout  :P

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But why do you not qualify the TO1000 as a bench scope? By all means it is a bench scope. Just like the new (flat) Tektronix you reviewed. Or wouldn't you classify that as a bench scope either?

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With the stand and the front bottom mounted inputs like a normal bench scope, plus controls, the Tek makes the grade as a bench scope. It's clearly designed as a bench scope with some portability in mind.
The Micsig TO1000 is literally a tablet scope only. Inputs are on the top not the front, and no front panel controls. It's clearly not a bench scope  :palm:
It literally says Tablet Oscilloscope on the front of it!

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You do realise that the one you have is an older model; the newer models do have knobs. And your logic about the location of inputs or what it says on the badge doesn't make sense. Feature wise, the MicSig with or without knobs is perfectly useable as a bench scope and thus is a serious option to consider when looking for a low cost oscilloscope. I see a lot of prejudice and very little logic.

As a side note:
Recently I bought a portable base station analyser that can do both spectrum analysis and vector network analysis. Nice little, portable machine that works quite well as a spectrum analyser and VNA. For a recent EMC job I noticed that I used the base station analyser more rather than my high end spectrum analyser. And the reason is simple: the base station analyser just takes less space and it is quiet. Feature wise it has everything I need for EMC precompliance testing. I'm also in the process of getting better tooling for EMC testing. This also means setting up automated testing so I had a choice to make: do I use my big spectrum analyser or the portable one? One of the things I had to step over was a mental barrier: the base station analyser is just a little portable device; not serious test equipment. Just like you have with the MicSig DSO. However, after thinking about it logically and just making a list with pros and cons the base station analyser comes out on top to use as a spectrum analyser for my EMC testing setup (even without having a SCPI protocol specification).
2N3055:

--- Quote from: JenniferG on November 26, 2022, 12:24:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on November 26, 2022, 10:34:22 am ---
--- Quote from: JenniferG on November 26, 2022, 06:34:48 am ---Thanks everyone for all the replies.  Someone on another forum said they recently purchased the Rigol HDO1074.  It's a 12 bit ADC and only $699?  I imagine it can be hacked eventually as well.

If I got the HD01074 instead of the Sigilents mentioned above, what would I be lacking ?  How does the UI and display performance compare between the them?   Seems like 12 bit ADC is a huge upgrade. SIXTEEN times the resolution!

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Hi,

you should do more research than just wikipedia.

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I never said I was relying on Wikipedia.  I just said I found it odd Siglent doesn't even have an entry nor does Rigol have more than 2 paragraphs.

Thanks for all that great info though about the scopes.

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Sorry if I misunderstood. Article in Wikipedia is something that is not guaranteed. It is community moderated, and it poses an interesting question who writes all these Wikipedia topics on large companies and for what purpose... And what information is there and what isn't..

Chinese manufacturers don't have a culture of that kind of marketing.
2N3055:

--- Quote from: nctnico on November 26, 2022, 12:52:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on November 26, 2022, 03:01:22 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 25, 2022, 10:33:32 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on November 25, 2022, 09:30:01 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 25, 2022, 02:08:02 am ---Ofcourse it is. Don't get fooled by the form factor; it is a full fledged bench oscilloscope. It has all the right features to make it a true bench oscilloscope. Rock solid firmware as well. It is not a 'typical' handheld/portable DSO-ish device that can only show some wiggly lines. You'd be wrong to leave the MicSig TO1000 (or one of the recent incarnations with knobs) out in a US $500 price bracket shootout.

--- End quote ---

It would be a $500 price bracket bench scope shootout.
If you don't like that then you are free to make your own shootout  :P

--- End quote ---
But why do you not qualify the TO1000 as a bench scope? By all means it is a bench scope. Just like the new (flat) Tektronix you reviewed. Or wouldn't you classify that as a bench scope either?

--- End quote ---

With the stand and the front bottom mounted inputs like a normal bench scope, plus controls, the Tek makes the grade as a bench scope. It's clearly designed as a bench scope with some portability in mind.
The Micsig TO1000 is literally a tablet scope only. Inputs are on the top not the front, and no front panel controls. It's clearly not a bench scope  :palm:
It literally says Tablet Oscilloscope on the front of it!

--- End quote ---
You do realise that the one you have is an older model; the newer models do have knobs. And your logic about the location of inputs or what it says on the badge doesn't make sense. Feature wise, the MicSig with or without knobs is perfectly useable as a bench scope and thus is a serious option to consider when looking for a low cost oscilloscope. I see a lot of prejudice and very little logic.

As a side note:
Recently I bought a portable base station analyser that can do both spectrum analysis and vector network analysis. Nice little, portable machine that works quite well as a spectrum analyser and VNA. For a recent EMC job I noticed that I used the base station analyser more rather than my high end spectrum analyser. And the reason is simple: the base station analyser just takes less space and it is quiet. Feature wise it has everything I need for EMC precompliance testing. I'm also in the process of getting better tooling for EMC testing. This also means setting up automated testing so I had a choice to make: do I use my big spectrum analyser or the portable one? One of the things I had to step over was a mental barrier: the base station analyser is just a little portable device; not serious test equipment. Just like you have with the MicSig DSO. However, after thinking about it logically and just making a list with pros and cons the base station analyser comes out on top to use as a spectrum analyser for my EMC testing setup (even without having a SCPI protocol specification).

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Newest ones again took proper knobs away and replaced them with funky little joysticks... Which i never tried but used devices with these little joysticks I don't like the idea..
Fungus:

--- Quote from: nctnico on November 26, 2022, 12:52:32 pm ---your logic about the location of inputs

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The inputs on the top is absolutely the best place for them. It gives the 'scope a much smaller footprint on the bench.

(In case thinks they'll dangle down in front of the screen: They don't, they go down behind and come out around the side...)

My guess is that Dave doesn't have a Micsig and doesn't want to buy one for the shootout.  :popcorn:

Whatever, it's his video so his rules...
Fungus:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on November 26, 2022, 01:00:35 pm ---Which i never tried but used devices with these little joysticks I don't like the idea..

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I'm not sure I do either but:
a) They're not the only way to do things (you can operate a Micsig without ever touching a knob)
and
b) People have said they're OK in the Micsig thread.
c) Micsigs have "autoranging" mode so you don't have to touch the controls anywhere near as often as on other 'scopes.

See this video at 12m45s:

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