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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2016, 07:59:04 am »
How very timely. Weird. Cool video though.
Oddly timely for me as well, I was planning on pulling the trigger on a DS1054Z and a DP832 this morning when I saw today's EEVBlog. I'm relieved to hear the board has been revised since Dave's version, I haven't seen another DC lab PSU on the market with anything like the same (hacked) feature set for the bucks. They don't seem to have a bad reputation otherwise, based on the bit of research I've done. I'm a hobbyist now, I haven't pushed electrons around with commercial intent in a decade and a half so I don't need something professional, but something with a professional feature set and a toy price would be just lovely, thank you very much. We're living in the golden age of test equipment; the last RS232-decoding capable DSO I used (a very nice HP of some flavor) cost ~18,000 pounds when it was new.

On the plus side, the extra time spent reading up on all this clued me in to the Tequipment/EEVblog discount code. Now I just have to persuade someone to PM it to me :-)

Anyway, best of luck with yours

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2016, 10:58:17 am »
Hi,
I'm currently in the market for a bench power supply for home use and like most people want a bargain in the process - more features than I know what to do with, at price that's too good to be true.
But above all else it must be reliable.

I've been drawn to the Rigol DP832 lately and although there's plenty of posts about problems, these by and large seem to be resolved in the latest hardware (I'd most likely be buying new if I get the discount code :) ).
For the OP, from what I've read the `A` model isn't worth the extra cost for a home user, what with all the solutions that can be achieved from searching the forums so I'm looking at the non-A model.

From my point of view - what are the main alternatives to the DP83x units in terms of features/price range before I commit to going this route?
In terms of "toy" features for a home user, I really like the LXi idea having previous experience in designing software to control ATEs.
I've looked at the siglent units that I can get cheaper but I'm not convinced.

I'm mostly looking at something for small digital circuits but I do have a large collection of vintage (germanium) audio amplifiers I need to get around to fixing.
There's plenty of (i'll call them clones of someone's design) units on auction sites that are cheap, but I worry they won't be reliable/clean outputs.
I would probably prefer a TTi/Agilent Unfortunately the availability of Agilent/keysight PSUs in this price range (even 2nd hand) doesn't appear to come up in the UK as much as the US.

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2016, 02:45:36 am »
Well I've got my DP832 from TEquipment and it's working very well. Couldn't be happier. The ovp and ocp work very well. The outputs are very accurate according to my fluke 289 and fluke 87V.
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2016, 10:44:03 pm »
Even though the topic is old (and there are others which are older), I thought I would paste in to help those trying to find the differences between the Rigol dp832 and dp832A.

According to: http://beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com/acton/attachment/1579/f-063a/1/-/-/-/-/DP800%20Selection%20Guide.pdf

The following exists:

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Select and order the options
DP832A/DP831A/DP821A/DP811A
For these models, the high-resolution setting, trigger, monitor, analyzer as well as the RS232 and LAN communication functions are all standard functions. You can select and order the following option according to your need.

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DP832/DP831/DP821/DP811
For these models, the high-resolution setting, trigger, monitor, analyzer as well as the RS232 and LAN communication functions are all optional functions. You can select and order the following options according to your need.
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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2016, 10:55:47 pm »
I've never had any trouble with my Rigol power supply. Apart from the annoying UI, it has served me very well indeed.
Of course I would rather have a Keysight et al, but for the same features, I'd be looking at at least 4x the price.
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2016, 11:23:32 pm »
Even though the topic is old (and there are others which are older), I thought I would paste in to help those trying to find the differences between the Rigol dp832 and dp832A.

According to: http://beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com/acton/attachment/1579/f-063a/1/-/-/-/-/DP800%20Selection%20Guide.pdf

The following exists:

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Select and order the options
DP832A/DP831A/DP821A/DP811A
For these models, the high-resolution setting, trigger, monitor, analyzer as well as the RS232 and LAN communication functions are all standard functions. You can select and order the following option according to your need.

...

DP832/DP831/DP821/DP811
For these models, the high-resolution setting, trigger, monitor, analyzer as well as the RS232 and LAN communication functions are all optional functions. You can select and order the following options according to your need.
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Thanks for that! I totally Riglolled  :-DD I'll be here all week but don't try the veal, try Riglol 1.03d when you want to make options standards  ;)
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2016, 12:41:36 am »
Nothing against Rigol, they actually provide a lot of gear at decent prices and some of their stuff is pretty decent.

However I never considered their power supply. It is not exactly cheap and you can usually score great HP power supplies off ebay all the time, often for much less money too. I'd rather get a solid HP PSU and use that extra cash towards an instrument that's harder to get.
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2016, 01:00:23 am »
"It is not exactly cheap and you can usually score great HP power supplies off ebay all the time, often for much less money too."

This may be true in the US, but in other areas of the world, great ebay scores are far and few between.
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2016, 03:00:16 am »
"It is not exactly cheap and you can usually score great HP power supplies off ebay all the time, often for much less money too."

This may be true in the US, but in other areas of the world, great ebay scores are far and few between.

That's true, I would rather buy a new PSU with warranty.
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2016, 03:16:45 am »
that segmented pye display on the "A" variant is seriously f-ing ugly!
they should have just used the digital display of the lower model and made it multi-coloured.

is it actually a colour display, or a monochrome display with an RGB programable backlight?
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2016, 06:52:01 pm »
@stj,

They are both exactly the same power supply, only firmware is the difference.

Yes the (adjustable colour) monochrome display on the DP832 is actually a full colour display not a backlight. Just about everyone hates the DP832A bizarre triangular coloured pie arrangement. So much so that Rigol introduced the "classic" version of the 3 columns of the DP832, but colour coded them and used a normal font instead of a 7 segment font. They also dropped the greyed out 00.000's when the channel is switched off.

As far as UI goes I still think the more plain DP832 is better. I actually like the 7 segment effect as it's in keeping with all my other ancient gear  :-DD
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2016, 08:02:32 pm »
So, I went to eBay looking for the HP6642A and most seem to be priced around $250.  So, I need 3 of those boat anchors to make up for one Rigol DP832.  $750 vs $450 and a LOT more real estate on my pathetically undersized bench.  I'll pass...

There is infant mortality in every product.  Dave blew an output transistor/MOSFET - so what?  It happens!  In the case of his now obsolete board, it looks like there was a problem at manufacturing.  The board was reworked before he ever got it.  What's that about?  And there has been a design change (diodes).  Does this help protect the MOSFET?

Bottom line:  The PS you buy today is only marginally the same as the one in the video in the area of the pass transistor.

 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2016, 09:05:17 pm »
So, I went to eBay looking for the HP6642A and most seem to be priced around $250.  So, I need 3 of those boat anchors to make up for one Rigol DP832.  $750 vs $450 and a LOT more real estate on my pathetically undersized bench.  I'll pass...

There is infant mortality in every product.  Dave blew an output transistor/MOSFET - so what?  It happens!  In the case of his now obsolete board, it looks like there was a problem at manufacturing.  The board was reworked before he ever got it.  What's that about?  And there has been a design change (diodes).  Does this help protect the MOSFET?

Bottom line:  The PS you buy today is only marginally the same as the one in the video in the area of the pass transistor.
I don't know if I like the HP6642A.. I don't like loud equipment if I can help it. I don't usually work on high powered circuits personally and I prefer linear power supplies, for their super clean power and silent operation. I own a few of E3611A and a E3620A. You can also score an E3631A used for less than the DP832. (as others have pointed out, in the US at least).
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2016, 09:13:36 pm »
I have an HP 6624A 4 channel linear supply - one more than the Rigol. $75 on eBay. Bullet proof and reasonably clean. I also have some other Agilent supplies that are outside of the capability of any Rigol. All of them under $200. Total of 6 channels and 1500w for around $450. They would, however, collapse the legs of an Ikea workbench.  :popcorn:

Ugly as a cows ass and big though. I have learned how to control it with LabView which keeps me from dealing with the buttons on the box itself. I have not been happy with any Rigol product and in general prefer to go with old school on the power supplies. My primary considerations are performance and reliability, not size or weight. Some of the 'boat anchors' are very high performance if you can get over the 1985 look and the giant 60lb chassis.
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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2016, 09:31:27 pm »
That 60lb (28kg) chassis makes you go  :wtf: :rant: indeed. Over the past few years I have acquired several HP/Agilent power supplies from different years but I did say goodbye to my HP6002A though.

Edit: I have converted all my HP PSUs with a temperature controlled fan unless it already had one.
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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2016, 09:38:51 pm »
I love my DP832, well worth it for me.
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2016, 09:57:25 pm »
@rx8pilot,

My HP 6632B is slimline, compact and bijou as boat anchors go. It actually serves a good purpose as a platform for my LCD monitor to stand on to raise to comfortable eye level and therefore doesn't take up any space at all. It is also my most often used supply vs. the Rigol DP832 sitting next to it.

Unfortunately those of us outside the USA don't get the good deals on this older kit, even if we win an ebay auction that allows a sale outside USA (because all the good cheap gear is ex military and comes with absurd international resale restrictions), the insane prices for international post from the USA totally ruin the deal. Why is it that a DHL or Fedex from Shenzhen or HK only cost say $50 while the same from the USA is $500? Is there some reason the USA does NOT want to export to the rest of the world? This is then magnified in the EU at least because the delivery charge is added to the cost of goods and then the 20% VAT is added, possibly duty too. So a $75 PSU becomes $690. Of course then the courier charges an extra fee on delivery of around $20 - $40 for their amazing ability to do the 20% sum, so call it $720 for an ancient obsolete scrap PSU, as excellent as it may be.

Yeah I am jealous of your easy pickings in the USA, you even get free water heater 'scopes too  :-DD.
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2016, 10:01:43 pm »
Unfortunately those of us outside the USA don't get the good deals on this older kit, even if we win an ebay auction that allows a sale outside USA (because all the good cheap gear is ex military and comes with absurd international resale restrictions), the insane prices for international post from the USA totally ruin the deal. Why is it that a DHL or Fedex from Shenzhen or HK only cost say $50 while the same from the USA is $500? Is there some reason the USA does NOT want to export to the rest of the world?
I wondered about this too, can't remember where I read it, but Chinese government apparently subsidizes international shipping.
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2016, 10:10:29 pm »
That 60lb (28kg) chassis makes you go  :wtf: :rant: indeed. Over the past few years I have acquired several HP/Agilent power supplies from different years but I did say goodbye to my HP6002A though.

Edit: I have converted all my HP PSUs with a temperature controlled fan unless it already had one.

Mine doesn't often go to the high amps to require this intervention, but it is available if needed... Personally I prefer the screaming fan at 5 amps...

Quote from: HP 6632B, 33B, 34B Service Manual
Manual Fan Speed Control
Under some circumstances such as testing acoustical devices where the fan noise would interfere with the test, it
would be advantageous to reduce the fan speed. If the test requires a very light load, the ambient temperature is low
and the duration of the test is short, the fan speed may be temporarily reduced. The turn-on default is "Automatic" so
this procedure must be performed, as needed, every time the line voltage is turned on. To manually control the fan
speed:
a. Simultaneously depress the "0" and "9” keys. EEINIT <model> will be displayed.
b. Using the Up/Down annunciator keys select FAN:MODE<AUTO.>.
c. Using the Up/Down arrows select FAN:MODE <MAN>
d. Press "Enter"
e. Simultaneously depress the "0" and "9" keys. EEINIT <model> will be displayed.
f. Using the Up/Down annunciator keys select FAN:SPEED <data>
g. Press "Enter Number".
h. Enter the desired speed (numeric entry range is 0 to 100%)
i. Press "Enter"
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2016, 10:17:01 pm »
I remember living in Singapore and buying underwater camera stuff from B&H Photo in New York City, shipped UPS.  The shipping cost seemed insignificant, the duties were non-existent and the delivery was sudden.  Certainly no worse than when I order from California.

I really think it is a trade situation between the US and the EU.  And it's kind of a one way deal because when I have ordered stuff from GB or Germany, no extra charges.  Shipping was minimal, no duties, no taxes, just an ordinary every day transaction.  Admittedly, the value isn't high (less than $200) but still, no extra cost for ordering international.  Same with Australia.

 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2016, 10:17:44 pm »
Yeah I am jealous of your easy pickings in the USA, you even get free water heater 'scopes too  :-DD.

Those points are not lost on me - I am very grateful to have easy access to some of the older gear as well as new parts and services here in the USA. I also got lucky that the ridiculously heavy duty workbench I use was a dumpster dive acquisition and enabled me to use the old HP gear. My previous bench was a folding table that would have been instantly destroyed with all my old stuff.

....and of course the endless supply of hot water courtesy of Keysight!

That 60lb (28kg) chassis makes you go  :wtf: :rant:

Safe to say that I do not regularly re-arrange my bench. The weight is stunning. I may build a new technicians assembly and repair bench and the DP832 would be a good option since that bench would be much smaller - PSU, small scope, DMM. I doubt I would bother with the color screen, saving some money would be higher priority than color LCD for me. 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2016, 10:21:01 pm »
Unfortunately those of us outside the USA don't get the good deals on this older kit, even if we win an ebay auction that allows a sale outside USA (because all the good cheap gear is ex military and comes with absurd international resale restrictions), the insane prices for international post from the USA totally ruin the deal. Why is it that a DHL or Fedex from Shenzhen or HK only cost say $50 while the same from the USA is $500? Is there some reason the USA does NOT want to export to the rest of the world?
I wondered about this too, can't remember where I read it, but Chinese government apparently subsidizes international shipping.
I think that is with the China Post items not international couriers. The international postal union allows market distortions (because, hey, it's a fucking government union!) and so China can send an international mail package for 1 Yuan while the USA or UK will be charged $10 or £10 for the same item. I think the commercial courier situation in the USA is just idiotic price gouging by both the courier company and mostly the sellers who seem totally disinterested to the point of losing sales in this new global financial world we all live in!
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2016, 10:32:41 pm »
I remember living in Singapore and buying underwater camera stuff from B&H Photo in New York City, shipped UPS.  The shipping cost seemed insignificant, the duties were non-existent and the delivery was sudden.  Certainly no worse than when I order from California.

I really think it is a trade situation between the US and the EU.  And it's kind of a one way deal because when I have ordered stuff from GB or Germany, no extra charges.  Shipping was minimal, no duties, no taxes, just an ordinary every day transaction.  Admittedly, the value isn't high (less than $200) but still, no extra cost for ordering international.  Same with Australia.

It is an EU thing. Dave tells us of $1000 gear before the customs bother with it. The UK is bad enough because we have to put up with this nonsense, but actual real EU countries like Germany get it far worse. Dave will not deal with Germany because they are so fucking shit.

Hopefully with BREXIT we in the UK will no longer have to have such absurd customs import levels and join our commonwealth countries with more equitable policies. I'm not holding my breath now Sharia May and Sadiq Khan are running the country though...
 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2016, 11:52:37 pm »

Safe to say that I do not regularly re-arrange my bench. The weight is stunning. I may build a new technicians assembly and repair bench and the DP832 would be a good option since that bench would be much smaller - PSU, small scope, DMM. I doubt I would bother with the color screen, saving some money would be higher priority than color LCD for me.

Could you expand on the 'color screen' comment?  I am considering the DP832 but I won't buy it if the only color display I get is red and in every advertisement I see, the screen is red.  Red simply isn't a good color for me.  I thought I had read that the display color could be chosen from a menu but manuals don't always get it straight.  I would be happy with yellow or light green.  Evan cyan would work but red is out of the question.

I doubt that I would want to pay hundreds more to get the 832A if that's what it took to get a different color.  I'd probably just buy another brand and skip Rigol for being not defective-color-vision friendly.

 

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Re: Is there any good reason to get the DP832A?
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2016, 12:07:07 am »
You can change it to green or cyan as well as red.
 
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