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JBC CD-1BQE
Shock:
Talk about impulse purchasing going from a JBC to a Chinese T12 clone, oh man!
The Pace ADS200 has slightly less power than the JBC, 120W vs 130W but it's diminishing returns as you go past 100W. Paces tips are mostly between ~$11-$13 each and are designed for long lasting all day production use so well plated, low cost, high quality. The best features is its very accurate, fast heating, minimal overshoot, no calibration required for tips and the iron itself is cool running with a small working distance.
Pace has the best aluminum iron design and adjustable temp technology out there, it heats to melt point in as little as 3 seconds from room temp. There is no soldering iron on the planet that has better performance for the price which is around $200-$220 from tequipment for the 120V model.
--- Quote from: Gandalf_Sr on June 04, 2019, 11:51:44 am ---I decided to buy a new JBC CD-1BQE soldering station. I own a Hakko FX951 which is nice but, like the 888D, it has the issue that it can't keep up with high heat-sink soldering jobs.
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The KSGER is using clone Hakko T12 70W tips so no real technology upgrade from the Hakko FX-951. The Hakko FX-888D has 65W tips slower recover but higher mass tips which improves things a little. Irons with less mass and less temperature accuracy seem better to inexperienced users.
The Pace ADS200 station and certain JBC irons have tips with more mass than the T12 and combined with their power and recovery speed allow them to solder both low and high mass applications easier.
4thDoctorWhoFan:
--- Quote from: GreyWoolfe on June 04, 2019, 12:03:31 pm ---I will be the first of the fanboys to pop up. You could have gotten a used Metcal MX-500 with a tip for about half that price. You can solder 2 1962 Volkswagon bumpers together with it. OK, so maybe I exaggerate a bit. ;D The MX-500 is production grade, will last forever, no knob fiddling and can easily solder anything you need to. Hope you enjoy the JBC. I also have a FX-951 which I bought before the Metcal. I looked at JBC but it was too rich for my blood at the time and it didn't come with tips so I got the Hakko and 5 tips with tip holders for quite a bit less.
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I agree. I love my MX-500.
Reading some of these posts is funny because of all the equipment & messing around needed just to solder.
With the Metcal, I just turn it on then solder. Very simple. :)
Shock:
--- Quote from: 4thDoctorWhoFan on June 05, 2019, 10:25:43 am ---
--- Quote from: GreyWoolfe on June 04, 2019, 12:03:31 pm ---I will be the first of the fanboys to pop up. You could have gotten a used Metcal MX-500 with a tip for about half that price. You can solder 2 1962 Volkswagon bumpers together with it. OK, so maybe I exaggerate a bit. ;D The MX-500 is production grade, will last forever, no knob fiddling and can easily solder anything you need to. Hope you enjoy the JBC. I also have a FX-951 which I bought before the Metcal. I looked at JBC but it was too rich for my blood at the time and it didn't come with tips so I got the Hakko and 5 tips with tip holders for quite a bit less.
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I agree. I love my MX-500.
Reading some of these posts is funny because of all the equipment & messing around needed just to solder.
With the Metcal, I just turn it on then solder. Very simple. :)
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Pace is the same you just turn it on and by the time you reach for the iron its at temp. But one $11 tip can solder at any temperature (same for JBC just more expensive). After everything is taken into account Metcal is 10 times the running costs of Pace.
Gandalf_Sr:
--- Quote from: Shock on June 05, 2019, 09:51:16 am ---Talk about impulse purchasing going from a JBC to a Chinese T12 clone, oh man!
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I know :-[ buyers remorse and all that - although I feel good that I saved $400 in the end.
I'm sure the JBC would have been a good station but is it 5 x better than the KSGER? I think it might be 2x better and at $250 would be a no-brainer but there are still aspects to it that reek of poor design.
I already have a Hakko FX951 which is good for light work (even lead-free) and the Aoyue 2900 is a beast in terms of thermal performance even though it's high-maintenance. All I do is build the occasional prototype or change a component or 2 in fault-finding; I also have an Aoyue hot air rework station so I think I have most bases covered now.
As for my idea of making a replacement station; it seems that I'm always behind the curve and someone's beat me to the product. The control unit PCB for the KSGER T12 seems widely available for around $20, maybe a tweak of that unit to handle higher voltage/wattage might be an option? The power supply in the KSGER is supposed to be 24V / 5A which is 120W and upping the voltage slightly to say 29V would get me 145W.
Anyway, thanks for all the info and advice.
snoopy:
--- Quote from: Shock on June 05, 2019, 09:51:16 am ---Talk about impulse purchasing going from a JBC to a Chinese T12 clone, oh man!
The Pace ADS200 has slightly less power than the JBC, 120W vs 130W but it's diminishing returns as you go past 100W. Paces tips are mostly between ~$11-$13 each and are designed for long lasting all day production use so well plated, low cost, high quality. The best features is its very accurate, fast heating, minimal overshoot, no calibration required for tips and the iron itself is cool running with a small working distance.
Pace has the best aluminum iron design and adjustable temp technology out there, it heats to melt point in as little as 3 seconds from room temp. There is no soldering iron on the planet that has better performance for the price which is around $200-$220 from tequipment for the 120V model.
--- Quote from: Gandalf_Sr on June 04, 2019, 11:51:44 am ---I decided to buy a new JBC CD-1BQE soldering station. I own a Hakko FX951 which is nice but, like the 888D, it has the issue that it can't keep up with high heat-sink soldering jobs.
--- End quote ---
The KSGER is using clone Hakko T12 70W tips so no real technology upgrade from the Hakko FX-951. The Hakko FX-888D has 65W tips slower recover but higher mass tips which improves things a little. Irons with less mass and less temperature accuracy seem better to inexperienced users.
The Pace ADS200 station and certain JBC irons have tips with more mass than the T12 and combined with their power and recovery speed allow them to solder both low and high mass applications easier.
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Not quite according to this dude the JBC outperforms the Pace but then I heard the Pace had some issues with its first batch of tips.
Having said that I have owned a Pace PPS-15 and PS/80 and PS/90 handsets for the last two decades and it still keeps up with the JBC and Hakko direct heat irons according to the copper clad tests that Dave has done. Probably attributable to huge thick heating barrel, thick tips and secure grub screw arrangement that keeps the tip tightly in contact with the heater. A great iron that is still going strong. Not sure if it can handle lead free soldering though.
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