EEVblog Electronics Community Forum
Products => Test Equipment => Topic started by: eevblogfan on March 21, 2013, 05:44:27 pm
-
Am I dreaming or what ? ::)
listen . this is 2 CH 70Mhz 2Gs/s plus the function gen enabled and the DVM ! - and all that sweets for 800$ only !!! :-+
that scope is AWSOME !
and that is my first scope 0_0
don't get me Wrong ... I was on my way to buy DS1052B - But since that crappy country . the price was 600$ !
then the nice seller distributor told me that He can give me some other scope - But much better one because He saw I am 16 years old student and he knew I am self thought - he liked it :P
then week later . I told him that agilent give for free the wavegen plus the DVM - but he told me that it's for the 20% discount . and I got 40% !!!! - But after a little bit of talking - I persweated him !
today it arrived and I am so happy !
-
Congratulations.
I usually try to talk to a sales representative before buying online and very often get discounts or free stuff.
David.
-
oops :palm:
I didn't explain myself ><"
It was at the shop :P
they are little office Hence there is no stok or so . they are inviting from agilent themselves ( VIA DHL btw :P ) and they calld me when it arrived them :)
-
WOW. I just bought a new Tekronix TDS2014C for twice that price but I would have gone Agilent if I could have gotten that big of a discount for one! I would LOVE to have a wave generator built into the scope and what DVM did you get included exactly?
-
hey
Greratz for you'r new scope man !
In the scope there is "DVM" function . it is 3 1/2 digital voltage meter and 4.5 digit frequency ( and other stuff) counter , really nice touch ! :P
-
That is pretty cool. I didnt know they offered that.
-
they are . just pay "little money" ( freaking 80$ for that stupide feature ! )
I really think they shall put the LAN and that DVM standard with any "base unit" purchase
cheers :P
-
Pretty cool friend,here in india for students like me,DSO are not affordable at all,you are a lucky one....!!!
Best of luck with your lab enhancer!
-
They really should. Optioning out all this stuff in a scope is silly and actually one of the reasons I steered away from Agilent. That kind of selling/marketing really annoys me. Stick it all in there and charge a price, dont tempt me with features and a price point then charge me after Ive jumped for the stuff you told me about.
-
The DVM feature is a bit crappy, but the frequency counter is arguably a bit more worthwhile.
With this option enabled, then under the list of available measurements, there are two ways to measure frequency. One is to select the 'frequency' option, which just looks at the data on the screen and works out the time between successive edges.
The other is to select 'counter', which shows more significant figures and measures the frequency of the signal correctly even if there isn't a complete cycle shown on screen. It's quite handy. Then again, I guess DVM might be handy too just to check that a circuit's power supply rails are within tolerance without having to peer at the screen from a distance.
-
Thanks for that input. I was wondering how well that DVM worked.
How good is WaveGen? Better than say an under $400USD separate unit?
-
since I got the function gen for "free" I cannot input in here ,
also , I have no other function gen to compare it to , but I can see that at high frequency I get waveform that look much more like sinus rather then squear :-//
-
The DVM feature is a bit crappy, but the frequency counter is arguably a bit more worthwhile.
With this option enabled, then under the list of available measurements, there are two ways to measure frequency. One is to select the 'frequency' option, which just looks at the data on the screen and works out the time between successive edges.
The other is to select 'counter', which shows more significant figures and measures the frequency of the signal correctly even if there isn't a complete cycle shown on screen. It's quite handy. Then again, I guess DVM might be handy too just to check that a circuit's power supply rails are within tolerance without having to peer at the screen from a distance.
My understanding is that there is a real hardware counter in the scope, which is what provides the counter measurement. The standard frequency measurement is mathematically derived from the display as you say.
-
They really should. Optioning out all this stuff in a scope is silly and actually one of the reasons I steered away from Agilent. That kind of selling/marketing really annoys me. Stick it all in there and charge a price, dont tempt me with features and a price point then charge me after Ive jumped for the stuff you told me about.
So which brand did you buy instead?
-
My understanding is that there is a real hardware counter in the scope, which is what provides the counter measurement. The standard frequency measurement is mathematically derived from the display as you say.
I thought only the 3000X had the hardware counter feature enabled?
-
nope dave , I got it separately, not as what the base unit come with by default ,
it's the DVM feature .
-
They really should. Optioning out all this stuff in a scope is silly and actually one of the reasons I steered away from Agilent. That kind of selling/marketing really annoys me. Stick it all in there and charge a price, dont tempt me with features and a price point then charge me after Ive jumped for the stuff you told me about.
Oh, I know, that annoys me so much. Trivial software "options" are the worst.
-
Benr_R, Bryce, I fear you missunderstand Agilent's reason for existing.
You see, they are not in business to make you happy; they are in the business to make MONEY for their shareholders, pure and simple. It's called capitalism. While their omission (maybe "Witholding" is a better word) of certain otherwise easily enabled features p!sses off a few people, Agilent will (because they can) simply ignore those minority of individuals. Only if it turns off their core buyers, THEN will the manufacturers change.
Buyers who DO want such extra functionality will thank Agilent for making the options available either now or later, and making them easy to enable on existing equipment. Stockholders will thank Agilent for offering a range of product functions (and price points) based on the same basic stocked unit, which means less inventory.
If I ran such a company, I would do EXACTLY the same. The marketing term is "Segmenting the market." It allows you to use basically the same product and offer it at a range of price points, to suit the pockets of different users (and so appeal to more users). If Agilent ONLY offered a basic no-frills model, they would lose sales of the lucrative higer end products (and usually higher margins) and customers. If Agilent ONLY offered a high-end product with all options, they would want to charge accordingly, and so lose out to the bottom end of the market which could no longer afford the instrument. If they could offer BOTH from the same basic insturment, well that's just SWEET.
If you look about, you will find many, many examples of this. Software is not "Cost Free", and companies have every right to recover costs and even profit from thier intellectual property. Putting it politely, if you don't like it, you can go elsewhere (which is the other part of Capitalism, of course; YOU have that choice in a free market).
Now, if I paid extra to enable a software option, and THEN it turned out to be a pile of poo, I would be straight round to the manufacturer to give him a piece of my mind (and some poo, too). A 3 1/2 digit voltmeter or 4 1/2 digit frequency counter doesn't sound very special to me. If a voltage or frequency matters that much, you are probably going to want to have dedicated kit to measure those, separately.
But back to the OP. If you have got a new, genuine DSOX2022A for $800, you've got a BANGING GOOD bargain, there. UK suppliers currently list it for GBP £1500
-
Benr_R, Bryce, I fear you missunderstand Agilent's reason for existing.
You see, they are not in business to make you happy; they are in the business to make MONEY for their shareholders, pure and simple. It's called capitalism. While their omission (maybe "Witholding" is a better word) of certain otherwise easily enabled features p!sses off a few people, Agilent will (because they can) simply ignore those minority of individuals. Only if it turns off their core buyers, THEN will the manufacturers change.
Buyers who DO want such extra functionality will thank Agilent for making the options available either now or later, and making them easy to enable on existing equipment. Stockholders will thank Agilent for offering a range of product functions (and price points) based on the same basic stocked unit, which means less inventory.
If I ran such a company, I would do EXACTLY the same. The marketing term is "Segmenting the market." It allows you to use basically the same product and offer it at a range of price points, to suit the pockets of different users (and so appeal to more users). If Agilent ONLY offered a basic no-frills model, they would lose sales of the lucrative higer end products (and usually higher margins) and customers. If Agilent ONLY offered a high-end product with all options, they would want to charge accordingly, and so lose out to the bottom end of the market which could no longer afford the instrument. If they could offer BOTH from the same basic insturment, well that's just SWEET.
If you look about, you will find many, many examples of this. Software is not "Cost Free", and companies have every right to recover costs and even profit from thier intellectual property. Putting it politely, if you don't like it, you can go elsewhere (which is the other part of Capitalism, of course; YOU have that choice in a free market).
Now, if I paid extra to enable a software option, and THEN it turned out to be a pile of poo, I would be straight round to the manufacturer to give him a piece of my mind (and some poo, too). A 3 1/2 digit voltmeter or 4 1/2 digit frequency counter doesn't sound very special to me. If a voltage or frequency matters that much, you are probably going to want to have dedicated kit to measure those, separately.
But back to the OP. If you have got a new, genuine DSOX2022A for $800, you've got a BANGING GOOD bargain, there. UK suppliers currently list it for GBP £1500
Wow, thanks for that that unasked for "lesson" :palm:
A that being said you have to remember one thing in converse to your statement, if said company DOESN'T make their customer happy, they don't make money. So it's a balanced relationship.
That being said I do agree with you on the built in DVM as it doesn't sound like its even worth the <$100 they are charging for it. However, since I don't need a very high end or
Sophisticated waveform generator I'm really wondering how good WaveGen is and if its worth the additional cost. Because I really don't want to as you put it pay the hundreds for it only to find out its a pile of poo.
-
hey
I truly doesn't have the confidence to judge that function gen , all I can say is that it is working fine and It is good to my needs ( pwm manually mostly )
It has noise,square,sine,pulse,and I think that's it ,
it can do 20% to 80% duty
and up to 5V amplitude ( ppV)
I think I've meassured 30nS rais and fall time , not sure if that 70Mhz bandwith I've got is okay for that meassurment - can someone ( dave perhaps) confirm ?
thank you in advance :)
-
My 3054A says the rise time of a 1.0Vpp square wave, generated by the internal wavegen and with the scope input set to 50 Ohm, is 18.3ns. The fall time is exactly the same.
For comparison, if I set my Rigol DG4062 to generate a square pulse using the Arb function, the rise and fall times are 2.8ns. (Oddly, this figure increases to 9.8ns if I use the built in square wave function... an artificial software limitation of the 60MHz model, I presume).
-
That being said I do agree with you on the built in DVM as it doesn't sound like its even worth the <$100 they are charging for it.
I don't think it is. I personally don't like it all that much, and don't have it switched on most of the time.
But it enabled Agilent to tick one of the big boxes in their "4 instruments in one" marketing campaign. DSO, tick, MSO, tick, WaveGen tick, Voltmeter tick.
The education market trying to justify their next purchase lap that stuff up.
-
Sophisticated waveform generator I'm really wondering how good WaveGen is and if its worth the additional cost. Because I really don't want to as you put it pay the hundreds for it only to find out its a pile of poo.
It's ok as a basic wavegen, and I find myself using it all the time because it's just so convenient.
You are paying a premium for that convenience, compared to a modern low end arb gen you can get for the same price.
It's better if you use it as a haggling point at the time of purchase, rather than a good value outright buy after you own the scope, and I think this is what Agilent mostly expect of it.
-
But it enabled Agilent to tick one of the big boxes in their "4 instruments in one" marketing campaign. DSO, tick, MSO, tick, WaveGen tick, Voltmeter tick.
The education market trying to justify their next purchase lap that stuff up.
I'm sure it will convince some university administrator that they don't need to buy function gens and DMMs for the lab. That's one less Agilent 34401A per bench, in exchange for an option Agilent will probably give them for free. Good trade ;). And the students will have to find some old beat up handheld DMMs to actually get some measurements done.
-
My understanding is that there is a real hardware counter in the scope, which is what provides the counter measurement. The standard frequency measurement is mathematically derived from the display as you say.
I thought only the 3000X had the hardware counter feature enabled?
I'm not certain, but my 2000X seems to include it; there isn't a 'counter' option in the Measurements menu, just 'frequency', but there is a frequency setting for the DVM option which gives a sensible reading even when the other one reads 'no edges'. The DVM reading is rock steady and higher-resolution, too.
-
If you are designing an analogue ASIC for the scope ( like Agilent and TEK both do) then it is simple and almost no cost to include the reference source, most of a dual slope converter and switching into the chip. A few spare pins on the package are used, and it will be useful during manufacture and assembly to do the DC setup as well. Having it as an option in firmware will then be easy to add.
-
Man, I got all my stuff on ebay, not mentioning they are used, old, and what not :-\
-
They really should. Optioning out all this stuff in a scope is silly and actually one of the reasons I steered away from Agilent. That kind of selling/marketing really annoys me. Stick it all in there and charge a price, dont tempt me with features and a price point then charge me after Ive jumped for the stuff you told me about.
I think it is an good thing as i think the concept of "one fit all" is more bad.
I am in the process of buying a MSOX3024 and i relly like that i can start with one version of the scope (with all the power in there but not enabled) and later on when i need the function(have the money) then i can just get the option enabled.
yes yes i know that the msox3024 cost alot and i can get bigger rigol or other chinese models, but i realy like agilents scopes and okey with apying some extra for that
Tooms
-
I am in the process of buying a MSOX3024 and i relly like that i can start with one version of the scope (with all the power in there but not enabled) and later on when i need the function(have the money) then i can just get the option enabled.
I never thought that someone is actually *happy* to pay more for less. But whatever floats your boat ;-)
-
I am in the process of buying a MSOX3024 and i relly like that i can start with one version of the scope (with all the power in there but not enabled) and later on when i need the function(have the money) then i can just get the option enabled.
I never thought that someone is actually *happy* to pay more for less. But whatever floats your boat ;-)
I more see it as investment in the right gear from the begining and there can grow as you need it.
i better like to pay more to have the relly cool and nice gear and then have it over an longer time, instedt of buying x number of chinese modeles over the years and not having the same happy feeling when using it.
i think that the agilent ones are kickass more cool and nices then the chineses ones, but i think this is much like cars where some are buying the best they can afford and have the happines every day and others just see it as a metal can with wheels and like to get them cheap.
But it is good we are all different and have different tastes
Tooms
-
I more see it as investment in the right gear from the begining and there can grow as you need it.
I understand, but unfortunately it often remains a nice idea as usually at the time you want to upgrade it's rarely cost-effective any more when technology and products have moved on. In the end, it's more likely to be cheaper to sell the scope and just buy the newer model which already comes with what you need than to upgrade your old scope.
i better like to pay more to have the relly cool and nice gear and then have it over an longer time, instedt of buying x number of chinese modeles over the years and not having the same happy feeling when using it.
That's certainly a good decision, but independent of the scope brand I think you're a bit too optimistic about the upgradeability (a trap many have fallen into).
-
I more see it as investment in the right gear from the begining and there can grow as you need it.
I understand, but unfortunately it often remains a nice idea as usually at the time you want to upgrade it's rarely cost-effective any more when technology and products have moved on. In the end, it's more likely to be cheaper to sell the scope and just buy the newer model which already comes with what you need than to upgrade your old scope.
yes i fully understand what your saying but i most say that in the past i have been happiest with the gear where i have spent on it and other times have have been standing with cheap gear where i have been thinking... why have i spent money on this crap and wasted time on this.
also i think the "used car value" is better on the good gear and it is easyer to sell it to an good pice when your going for the upgrade.
i better like to pay more to have the relly cool and nice gear and then have it over an longer time, instedt of buying x number of chinese modeles over the years and not having the same happy feeling when using it.
That's certainly a good decision, but independent of the scope brand I think you're a bit too optimistic about the upgradeability (a trap many have fallen into).
yes and i am using a very long time to pick what gear to get and how long time i can use it.
Now i am loking at a new(demo unit) msox3024 with lan option for 3900£ and yes the prices are higher here in denmark and that includes 25% sales tax that we are forced to pay for.
msox3024 (3 year warrent )
+lan option
+wavegen
+voltmeter
-
At least with Agilent there is the option.
I have a new-to-me LeCroy WaveJet 334 and I had intended at some point upgrading by getting the LeCroy Logic Studio but I find LeCroy have set things up in the following bizarre way:-
The WaveJet 300 (not A) series have a USB port but it is "not operational" (I suspect this is firmware rather than hardware).
You can get remote control by upgrading to a LAN or GPIB port (v.expensive though at around £400).
BUT the LeCroy Logic Studio only talks to the WaveJet (300A series) via the USB not the LAN or GPIB.
Why don't they at least make the LogicStudio software talk to the LAN, and perhaps bundle the LAN interface with Logic Studio or they could charge to upgrade the USB port to make it operational (it is there and physically wired in - at least when I plug it into my pc with the LeCroy driver loaded it registers it as functioning ok - you just can't change the menu item to make the oscilloscope act remotely). |O
(OK when LogicStudio came out the A series had been out a while but it doesn't fit in well with LeCroy's statements about providing long term support to their products.)
-
I'm sure it will convince some university administrator that they don't need to buy function gens and DMMs for the lab. That's one less Agilent 34401A per bench, in exchange for an option Agilent will probably give them for free. Good trade ;)
You ARE kidding, right? The DVM option is just a very basic voltmeter and frequency counter, it can't measure current or resistance at all. There's absolutely no way anyone could confuse the two or think that one could ever substitute for the other.
-
So what features does the "setting date/time back" to get the trial period to be unlimited work for and how does one enable the trail period on these scopes? Will if work for the WaveGen and DVM? What about the digital decoding protocols for the Logic Analyzer?
-
I have a new-to-me LeCroy WaveJet 334 and I had intended at some point upgrading by getting the LeCroy Logic Studio but I find LeCroy have set things up in the following bizarre way:-
The WaveJet 300 (not A) series have a USB port but it is "not operational" (I suspect this is firmware rather than hardware).
If the port on your Wavejet 300 is not operational then it is defective. Both 300 and 300A have USB 1.1 ports, and the 300 manual lists how it can be used to store waveforms on USB flash drives.
And it's unlikely to be the firmware as both 300 and 300A seem to use the same image.
I guess the main reason why the LogicStudio lists the 300A as requirement is because the WaveJet 300 is no longer supported, and if a product is no longer supported then a manufacturer won't test new products like the LogicStudio for compatibility with it. And that's not just LeCroy, any manufacturer does the same.
There is really nothing bizarre in this in any way.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if you find that LogicStudio works just fine with your Wavejet 334 (maybe just needs the latest firmware), with the only disadvantage that if you run into troubles then you're on your own as you would be running an unsupported configuration.
(OK when LogicStudio came out the A series had been out a while but it doesn't fit in well with LeCroy's statements about providing long term support to their products.)
IIRC when LogicStudio came out the WaveJet 300 was already out of support, and as the Wavejet non-A must have come out around 2003-2004 and was retired around 201072011 that makes still for 7 years of support.
Also, don't forget that the WaveJet Series is a upper entry level product, and you can't realistically expect the same support as for a midrange/highend scope like the Waverunners or LabMasters. Not to forget that the WaveJets were designed by Iwatsu.
Again, this is normal practice. Go to Agilent or Tek and you'll find the same. All the options of the Agilent DSO-X2000 Series won't mean a thing once it has reached EOL status.
-
If the port on your Wavejet 300 is not operational then it is defective. Both 300 and 300A have USB 1.1 ports, and the 300 manual lists how it can be used to store waveforms on USB flash drives.
And it's unlikely to be the firmware as both 300 and 300A seem to use the same image.
I guess the main reason why the LogicStudio lists the 300A as requirement is because the WaveJet 300 is no longer supported, and if a product is no longer supported then a manufacturer won't test new products like the LogicStudio for compatibility with it. And that's not just LeCroy, any manufacturer does the same.
The front USB port works fine - I've used it to save data and screens to a USB stick. I was referring to the rear USB port which is the one used for control. This has a sticker over it saying non-operational (as do all the 300 series). My unit isn't faulty, this is true of all the non-A series (the LeCroy technical support person confirmed that this was the case and told me that my only options were to either try and swap my scope for the A series or to simply look at the waveforms on the scope rather than the pc and allow for extra 100 nsecs of trigger delay).
The firmware detects that it is a 300 series scope and when you go into the Remote menu the option to turn USB on is set to be just off. The help menu states that it is the WJ300A series only.
The A series came out in 2007 I think - my scope was late 2006. The LogicStudio came out in 2010 I think. The decision was made not to support the pre-A series even though they were only 4 years old. I understand that it is a low level product but it is not so cheap as to be throw-away after less than 5 years.
My main grumble is that it would be very easy for them to have supported the pre-A series, even if this was just via the LAN port. I suspect that the rear USB port is actually functional and is just locked out via firmware. On their web site, LeCroy have written under the subject of retrofitting features :
"When technically feasible, we make product extensions and new features available for existing equipment. These may include capabilities associated with an "A" version of a product as well as features enabled by software/firmware upgrades."
It is just a minor grumble though, I am generally very happy with the scope which I got at a bargain price - in a way I'm looking a gift-horse in the mouth, I'm just frustrated that I have what appears to be a functioning rear USB port and can't use it probably because of a single flag in the menu system in the firmware!
-
The front USB port works fine - I've used it to save data and screens to a USB stick. I was referring to the rear USB port which is the one used for control. This has a sticker over it saying non-operational (as do all the 300 series).
Ah, ok, then it's probably a hardware limitation. Maybe a problem with the USB controller.
The A series came out in 2007 I think - my scope was late 2006. The LogicStudio came out in 2010 I think. The decision was made not to support the pre-A series even though they were only 4 years old. I understand that it is a low level product but it is not so cheap as to be throw-away after less than 5 years.
I understand your frustration, but I don't think you can say that the scope is a throw-away just because LogicStudio doesn't work with it. It still does all it should do, and quite frankly the requirements for LogicStudio are clearly listed in the spec sheet on the LeCroy homepage.
And if there is a hardware issue then there's not much LeCroy could have done anyways.
My main grumble is that it would be very easy for them to have supported the pre-A series, even if this was just via the LAN port. I suspect that the rear USB port is actually functional and is just locked out via firmware. On their web site, LeCroy have written under the subject of retrofitting features :
"When technically feasible, we make product extensions and new features available for existing equipment. These may include capabilities associated with an "A" version of a product as well as features enabled by software/firmware upgrades."
Well, the thing is that if the 300 Series does not support USB client mode or the rear port is otherwise flaky then there is not much LeCroy could have done. Using LAN may or may not have worked with the 300 Series, but at the end of the day the LogicStudio is an USB device and not a LAN device. Of course they could have added LAN but that would mean much higher complexity and as a result a much higher price, something which they probably found that their customers aren't willing to accept.
It is just a minor grumble though, I am generally very happy with the scope which I got at a bargain price - in a way I'm looking a gift-horse in the mouth, I'm just frustrated that I have what appears to be a functioning rear USB port and can't use it probably because of a single flag in the menu system in the firmware!
I see your frustration, but knowing LeCroy I am very sure that there is a reason why the port doesn't work. Also don't forget that the WaveJets are actually Iwatsu scopes (designed and built by Iwatsu) which LeCroy just happens to sell under their own label. So they probably have less influence in changes going into these scopes than they do for LeCroy designed scopes.
-
I understand your frustration, but I don't think you can say that the scope is a throw-away just because LogicStudio doesn't work with it. It still does all it should do, and quite frankly the requirements for LogicStudio are clearly listed in the spec sheet on the LeCroy homepage.
You're right of course. Given its present price of nearly £1500 (about what I paid for the scope) I'm unlikely to buy the LogicStudio anyway. I don't consider the scope throw away, I was merely indicating what I assume LeCroy's logic was.
Well, the thing is that if the 300 Series does not support USB client mode or the rear port is otherwise flaky then there is not much LeCroy could have done. Using LAN may or may not have worked with the 300 Series, but at the end of the day the LogicStudio is an USB device and not a LAN device. Of course they could have added LAN but that would mean much higher complexity and as a result a much higher price, something which they probably found that their customers aren't willing to accept.
LeCroy's free wavestudio software is quite happy to talk to the scopes over the LAN so I can't believe it would be a major upgrade to the software. But given that all the A series already had a USB link provided, very few customers would have added LAN as an option given that it costs £400 so the possible customer base for such an addition would be tiny and not worth investing any money in.
The main cause of my frustration is when I bought the scope it was advertised as being an A series, it was only when it arrived I found it was a 300 series. I could have sent it back but a 350MHz 4 channel scope for less than £1500 was too much of a bargain to give up on just because it didn't have USB remote control.
-
Well I jumped. Just ordered an MSOX2024A base model for $1850 as a Certi Prime refurb from Agilent via eBay. Full warranty, brand new condition, all accessories and packaging included. Couldnt say no. Now just gotta sell my Tektronix TDS2014C.
-
I jumped too, I offered US$1950 instead of US$1850 as I was worried I wouldn't get one.
There is still at least one left.
They charged me 10% on top, duty ,GST, Vat etc. The payment type is called 'incoterm DDP'. I wasn't expecting them to add it on although I knew I was going to have to pay it somewhere.
Learn something new everyday.
-
Well I jumped. Just ordered an MSOX2024A base model for $1850 as a Certi Prime refurb from Agilent via eBay. Full warranty, brand new condition, all accessories and packaging included. Couldnt say no. Now just gotta sell my Tektronix TDS2014C.
For those playing along, Agilent have new video up comparing the new DSOX2000 with the Tek DPO2000
Agilent InfiniiVision 2000 X-Series vs. Danaher Tektronix DPO2000 Oscilloscopes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzbCMT36PWI#ws)
-
I jumped too, I offered US$1950 instead of US$1850 as I was worried I wouldn't get one.
For the MSOX2024A?
That's $3700 excluding GST here in Oz
Nice score.
-
Yep, and they seem to have quite a few as they keep relisting them. They also discount most of the add-ons/options/upgrades quite heavily as well.
-
My 3054A says the rise time of a 1.0Vpp square wave, generated by the internal wavegen and with the scope input set to 50 Ohm, is 18.3ns. The fall time is exactly the same.
For comparison, if I set my Rigol DG4062 to generate a square pulse using the Arb function, the rise and fall times are 2.8ns. (Oddly, this figure increases to 9.8ns if I use the built in square wave function... an artificial software limitation of the 60MHz model, I presume).
I don't think the extra rise time is down to software, I think that the standard waveforms have extra filtering which is not applied to the arb output (the arb output goes through the 150/160MHz image reject filter but is not further filtered). I guess the three different models in the DG range have different output filters. I would guess the built in square wave has less ringing than one done on the arb.
-
Yep, and they seem to have quite a few as they keep relisting them. They also discount most of the add-ons/options/upgrades quite heavily as well.
Or people aren't completing their transactions. :)
It's a pretty good deal for the price. I think there are better out there but if you want an Agilent you can't beat the offer. I just did some price calcs and to get the 2024A at the ebay price of $1850USD, then add in LAN, the memory upgrade, I2C/SPI decode, CAN decode, and segmented memory at 66% off (which is what they are listing on the ebay offer for the LAN and segmented memory, plus 90% of list for the decodes based on what my vendor has quoted me) it comes out to $3417. Quite a lot there once you add the goodies in.
-
For those playing along, Agilent have new video up comparing the new DSOX2000 with the Tek DPO2000
Agilent InfiniiVision 2000 X-Series vs. Danaher Tektronix DPO2000 Oscilloscopes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzbCMT36PWI#ws)
Well, why do they compare a 2-channel Tek with 4-channel Agilent? :palm: The Tek is an obsolete machine from year 2008, but it still has the search function and possibility to place marks. Agilent probably doesn't have this. :-[
-
Now i am jump in also with the most expansive item that Dave got me to buy :-+
So i have just pickup an Agilent msox 3000 scope
it is an MSOX 3024A demo unit with LAN/VGA, WaveGen, DVM and the 3 year warrent for 3900£(with the danish 25% sales tax)
Because it is an demo unit then it has all options enabled for 90 days so i can test them and then i can request trial keys later on also, so i will wait with buying other options for now.
only issue is that one logic wire on the first logic pod has a danage wire that i not see when i collected the item, but i will ask them to replace the wire.
Now i just has to learn all the functions it has.
Tooms
-
Yep, and they seem to have quite a few as they keep relisting them. They also discount most of the add-ons/options/upgrades quite heavily as well.
Or people aren't completing their transactions. :)
It's a pretty good deal for the price. I think there are better out there but if you want an Agilent you can't beat the offer. I just did some price calcs and to get the 2024A at the ebay price of $1850USD, then add in LAN, the memory upgrade, I2C/SPI decode, CAN decode, and segmented memory at 66% off (which is what they are listing on the ebay offer for the LAN and segmented memory, plus 90% of list for the decodes based on what my vendor has quoted me) it comes out to $3417. Quite a lot there once you add the goodies in.
Add this new promotion into your calculating:
http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/editorial.jspx?cc=US&lc=eng&ckey=2309757&nid=-33573.970736.00&id=2309757 (http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/editorial.jspx?cc=US&lc=eng&ckey=2309757&nid=-33573.970736.00&id=2309757)
And what scope are you referring to thats "better out there" for the price?
-
I think the Rigol 4000 series is a bit better than the 2000 Agilent (personal opinion please, no flame wars) for what it does. Also the Instek, on paper and with initial (limited) data seems to give the 2000 a run for its money as well for a fair bit less.
BTW - "for the price" includes the options. You can't compare in a vacuum - Rigol and Instek include a lot more options in their "base" price. But that's a known with Agilent.
To be clear, you can not go wrong with the Agilent! Can't beat the name and support - that's a total win hands down. I've been going back and forth on my scope purchase to replace my Picoscope for a while now and decided to pull the trigger on the Instek 2204A based on the information I've gotten from Instek and at least one user of the device, but that's just me. If I had the cash and could justify it I'd jump on a 3000 Agilent without a second thought. :) The 2000 model just required me to really do some more research.
-
I think the Rigol 4000 series is a bit better than the 2000 Agilent (personal opinion please, no flame wars) for what it does.
OK, Rigol DS4000 can have active probes and it has a huge 140Mpoints memory, someone might need it. Also the record may be useful, but not for me.
-
For those interested here is the latest press release from Agilent regarding the 2000 X-Series scopes:
http://www.agilent.com/about/newsroom/presrel/2013/03apr-em13017.html (http://www.agilent.com/about/newsroom/presrel/2013/03apr-em13017.html)
-
Well, why do they compare a 2-channel Tek with 4-channel Agilent? :palm: The Tek is an obsolete machine from year 2008, but it still has the search function and possibility to place marks. Agilent probably doesn't have this. :-[
Of course Agilent won't include things the Tek has, that's how these comparison work! ;D
But if you think it's not fair to compare the two, the Agilent DSOX2000 and the Tek DPO2000 are about the same price, same headline banner spec, and target the same markets. So any comparison should be fair.
-
Availability: Worldwide (except Europe, Middle East, Africa)Buy One Oscilloscope Application, Get One Free!
Geography lessons not included.
-
Availability: Worldwide (except Europe, Middle East, Africa)Buy One Oscilloscope Application, Get One Free!
Geography lessons not included.
Huh?
-
I thought worldwide wasn't the right description if you exclude Africa, Europe and the Middle East.
-
Availability: Worldwide (except Europe, Middle East, Africa)Buy One Oscilloscope Application, Get One Free!
Geography lessons not included.
Huh?
Europe, Middle East, and Africa would probably represent a third of the world's land mass, and over half of the countries in the world ;D
-
Ha oh I got it. That post didnt make sense. Yea, pretty silly they preceded that statement with "worldwide" and then exclude half the world.
-
Looks like the new firmware is out today for the 2000 and 3000 X-Series. You can get it here:
http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/software.jspx?ckey=2014479&lc=eng&cc=US&nid=-33575.970754.08&id=2014479 (http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/software.jspx?ckey=2014479&lc=eng&cc=US&nid=-33575.970754.08&id=2014479)
Here are the Release Notes:
http://www.home.agilent.com/upload/cmc_upload/All/Agilent_2000X_3000X_Series_Oscilloscope_Readme_0230.pdf (http://www.home.agilent.com/upload/cmc_upload/All/Agilent_2000X_3000X_Series_Oscilloscope_Readme_0230.pdf)
-
My MSOX2024A came two weeks earlier than the quoted delivery date! Awesome. Looks and works like brand new! My office bench is happy :)
....for now. lol