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nctnico:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 27, 2021, 02:27:41 am ---I reckon that if someone were to set up an Incorporated Business or suitably VAT Registered company, then well, there is no limit to how many "contractors" that said company can have that can use that VAT/business number or whatever to get products and services  ;)

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IOW: a local Keysight equipment dealer!
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 27, 2021, 02:27:41 am ---I don't think there is anything anyone can do here, the lawyers have deemed it so for whatever reason and that's that, and Keysight management aren't going to go against the lawyers.

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Rather a case of the tail wagging the dog there, if that's true.

A former colleague gave me some very good advice in regard to dealing with corporate lawyers. He said that if you go to your lawyers and ask "Is it legal for us to do this?" or "Do we have a legal problem if we do this?", it is in the habit of corporate lawyers to interpret that as "Find me a legal way to do this." with the result that you can end up with something other than you want and can go down some deeply unethical routes if you're not careful - corporate lawyers are conscienceless. The point being that most corporate lawyers are enablers, people who assist you in conducting your business as you want to, not guardians of all that is good, legal and true.
bd139:
I think the corporate lawyer causality is the wrong way round. It's usually "you did what?" followed by "hey we found a loophole so no one is going to prison!"  followed by lines of coke, hookers and expensive champagne. Well that's how it works in the finance sector anyway  :-DD

As mentioned earlier I implore keysight to do what the corporate lawyers would have told them do, which is why I know the lawyer argument is wrong:

1. Remove all their products from resellers web sites and ebay where consumers can purchase the items.
2. Remove all marketing targeting non-commercial users (makers fad mostly).
3. Put out a formal statement regarding the support of keysight products purchased from date X
4. Put out a formal statement regarding the support of keysight products purchased before date X stating your statutory rights will not be affected.
5. Ask business customers to formally register accounts with Keysight.

None of that has happened (yet) so it's either in discussion, not in discussion or someone is going yadda yadda yadda with their finger in their ears. Some clarity would be nice but so far we had Daniel pop up and said "not his call" which it probably isn't.

I'd rather have been told "I have informed Keysight management of the concerns raised in this thread"
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: nctnico on August 27, 2021, 12:59:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 27, 2021, 02:27:41 am ---I reckon that if someone were to set up an Incorporated Business or suitably VAT Registered company, then well, there is no limit to how many "contractors" that said company can have that can use that VAT/business number or whatever to get products and services  ;)

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IOW: a local Keysight equipment dealer!

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I thought that actually was one of the problems here? (maybe another thread) Wasn't an individual denied the purchase of a bit of gear though a legit dealer in their country?
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on August 27, 2021, 10:32:28 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 27, 2021, 02:27:41 am ---I don't think there is anything anyone can do here, the lawyers have deemed it so for whatever reason and that's that, and Keysight management aren't going to go against the lawyers.

I reckon that if someone were to set up an Incorporated Business or suitably VAT Registered company, then well, there is no limit to how many "contractors" that said company can have that can use that VAT/business number or whatever to get products and services  ;)

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Well, yes, but...
Who in "KeysightSuxCo" would be willing to take responsibility (whatever that means) for the actions of unknown third parties, and "police" the business they are doing through KeysightSuxCo?
Being able to disprove accusations of ITAR violations and money laundering spring to mind.

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Become a "used"  ;) Keysight dealer maybe? I'm sure there are legal ways around every loophole.
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