Keysight Community Discussion Forums - "Discontinued"

[coppercone2]

I have a feeling its clearly profitable for them because people don't know how to use oscilloscopes and understand the physics of them. If they did it would not be a viable service.

I think that this can happen to any business if enough people don't know whats going on. Like telecom where there is so many wrappers or layers and massive amounts of 'hacked systems' that its not approached from a physics standpoint anymore, more like a 'magic' standpoint. networks seem to fall victim to this fast because they are not specified right (always more users then expected). And there is like people in the way of stuff happening, actively, that need to be dealt with by a 'management authority'  on a near constant basis.

I don't see the reason why this needs to happen to oscilloscopes, at all. It has to be a education fail. They started "glossing" over them in university and this is the result. If people know how to use them, the response to keysights 'offerings' here would be "gtfo, I don't need noob advise, I already learned this in college"


And it also IMO has to do with hidden specs, and fear mongering, so you are scared to make your own decision (simple physics interpretation) because you need someone to back you up with a paid reassurance service. To me that's being non-confident in your abilities. Also means your boss has no idea WTF hes doing. Wonderful indicator. Hit the books, jack

[themadhippy]

I wonder if this could be related to the UK's Online Safety Act

doubtful,they could have blocked access to uk ip addresses as is already done  by some  who dont  want to deal with GDPR

[Simmed]

i am waiting for some public announcement
like
"We know XYZ closed their forum, FYI eevblog is open"
 
maybe just need some publicity ?

[mawyatt]

They are going the way of the IBM. Same type of people (or maybe literally the same people) are in charge. Same formula ensures convergence to the same results.

IBM was not a Computer, or Semiconductor business, but a Software business we were told back in 2005 when they attempted to acquire us. IBM Computers were developed to support IBM Software, and Semiconductors were developed to support IBM Computers. Sure hope KS isn't following this path, as we can all see the result in IBM's demise!

Best

[2N3055]

They are going the way of the IBM. Same type of people (or maybe literally the same people) are in charge. Same formula ensures convergence to the same results.

IBM was not a Computer, or Semiconductor business, but a Software business we were told back in 2005 when they attempted to acquire us. IBM Computers were developed to support IBM Software, and Semiconductors were developed to support IBM Computers. Sure hope KS isn't following this path, as we can all see the result in IBM's demise!

Best

Mike,

unfortunately, I am afraid they are..
Their mission statement is all synergies, consulting, services, solutions, cloud, AI...
Their T&M instrument business is only there to provide internal tools.
They are still selling those tools to external customers. For how long we don't know.

It makes sense for MBAs in charge. How it will impact company long term I don't know.
But if we extrapolate from similar examples, it ain't going to be pretty...

Best,
Siniša

[tom66]

I wonder if this could be related to the UK's Online Safety Act

doubtful,they could have blocked access to uk ip addresses as is already done  by some  who dont  want to deal with GDPR

Blocking UP IP addresses may not be sufficient apparently - if a facility can be accessed by UK citizens via a VPN it may be covered.  This is absolutely nuts, but then when you have bureaucrats writing legislation like this, instead of technical people, this is the result.

[nctnico]

They are going the way of the IBM. Same type of people (or maybe literally the same people) are in charge. Same formula ensures convergence to the same results.

IBM was not a Computer, or Semiconductor business, but a Software business we were told back in 2005 when they attempted to acquire us. IBM Computers were developed to support IBM Software, and Semiconductors were developed to support IBM Computers. Sure hope KS isn't following this path, as we can all see the result in IBM's demise!

I'm not sure whether you can define IBM's path as a demise. They realised they couldn't compete with cheap so they pivotted and aimed at markets where they can add value. The fact IBM is still around and their share prices show a consistent (long term) increase in value means they are doing something right. At least they didn't think they where too big to fail like Kodak or Nokia.

[bdunham7]

I'm not sure whether you can define IBM's path as a demise. They realised they couldn't compete with cheap so they pivotted and aimed at markets where they can add value. The fact IBM is still around and their share prices show a consistent (long term) increase in value means they are doing something right. At least they didn't think they where too big to fail like Kodak or Nokia.

If you look at the long term path of IBM, the foray into the PC business and then back out was just a minor detour.  They have their own robust chip and processor (sans foundry) business and maintain their own OS.  Hardly a demise and it isn't impossible that Keysight might be eyeing a similar path.  After all, even the original HP was primarily a B2B operation and individuals could barely afford their calculators, let alone a spectrum analyzer or stuff like that.  So if they abandon the low end of the market, IMO that really isn't much of an aberration for them. 

[tom66]

They are going the way of the IBM. Same type of people (or maybe literally the same people) are in charge. Same formula ensures convergence to the same results.

IBM was not a Computer, or Semiconductor business, but a Software business we were told back in 2005 when they attempted to acquire us. IBM Computers were developed to support IBM Software, and Semiconductors were developed to support IBM Computers. Sure hope KS isn't following this path, as we can all see the result in IBM's demise!

I'm not sure whether you can define IBM's path as a demise. They realised they couldn't compete with cheap so they pivotted and aimed at markets where they can add value. The fact IBM is still around and their share prices show a consistent (long term) increase in value means they are doing something right. At least they didn't think they where too big to fail like Kodak or Nokia.

Yeah, I know someone who works for them. He doesn't really like them, but they pay quite well and the pension scheme's pretty good too, so he feels a bit 'stuck' there.  But definitely a bureaucratic machine which acts to drain every last drop from its customers.  But isn't that just the pinnacle of capitalism... should we hate the game not the player?

[RoGeorge]

Next HP rebranding (after reading "Investor Overview"):
Hewlett Packard  ->  Agilent  ->  Keysight  ->  Bullshit   

[porter]

The path from HP to Keysight no HP Way. It's interesting to look back at how Wall Street viewed HP in 1999.

"People have been on H-P for a while about not being able to generate rapid enough revenue growth, and it's a huge, diversified company -- do we need all these unrelated pieces?" said Art Russell, a technology analyst with Edward Jones. "And I think by separating away the test and measurement business and the medical stuff, they can focus more clearly on their core strength, and that's the computers and imaging products."

Prior to H-P's announcement, analysts speculated the company would split into three companies. Some say that's still a possibility.
Scott Martin, a principal analyst with GartnerGroup's Dataquest, in San Jose, Calif., said it's possible the company has plans to split even further, but decided to pace itself until the initial division is in working order.
He noted, too, that the current restructuring may "give the companies a little more favorable valuation" since analysts will be better able to crunch the numbers.

"These are two businesses which don't really belong together, and I think it will certainly allow the top level management to focus more," he said, adding the restructuring won't automatically transition the company to compete more effectively. "You won't see H-P go from its current multiple to something like Dell 's (DELL). This is not that big of a deal."
Currently, H-P's price/earnings multiple stands at 25. Dell's is 79.

https://money.cnn.com/1999/03/02/companies/hp_b/

Summary of a speech by David Packard:
https://fs.blog/the-hp-way-david-packard/

[madires]

Observing how Keysight and other vendors are changing their business strategy over the last few years, I think they will follow the inkjet printer idea, just with feature subscriptions instead of enforced genuine ink, i.e. offering T&M with basic functionality and for any additional feature you'll have to get a subscription. Serial decoding for your DSO? That's US$ 50 per month or discounted 350 per year.

[mawyatt]

I'm not sure whether you can define IBM's path as a demise. They realised they couldn't compete with cheap so they pivotted and aimed at markets where they can add value. The fact IBM is still around and their share prices show a consistent (long term) increase in value means they are doing something right. At least they didn't think they where too big to fail like Kodak or Nokia.

Maybe not an IBM demise but certainly a downward trend heading in that direction according to this article, by 2020 IBM Market Capitalization had lost 44% or $95B and IBM Revenue decline of 28% or $30B.

https://platformonomics.com/2020/02/ibms-lost-decade/

"Down and to the right. IBM lost over $95 billion of capitalization, a decline of 44%. "

"Down and to the right. Revenue declined 28%, a staggering sum of nearly $30 billion dollars. "

Sure hope KS doesn't follow this trend, as they and IBM were two companies that we had a lot of respect for way back.

Recall during a meeting at KS Santa Rosa R&D Facility back in ~2010 , CTO Jay Alexander took us for a private tour of the R&D labs and the internal semiconductor fabs. We were extremely impressed by what we saw and experienced (a lot of very smart folks!!) during that meeting and tour, and said, "Are you considering reinventing the old HP of yesteryear", his response was "Exactly!!!". Wonder "what happened" since that meeting, and why

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[EEVblog]

Share price pretty flat for 5 years, P/E ratio of 45 is pretty high compared to it's historical average.

I asked Grok if Jim Cramer has recommended it:

Yes, Jim Cramer has recently shared positive sentiments about Keysight Technologies, Inc. (NYSE:KEYS) on his show "Mad Money." As of March 26, 2025, Cramer has been notably bullish on the company. During an episode aired on January 29, 2025, when a caller asked about Keysight, Cramer enthusiastically stated, “Yeah, we want this one. We want this one. This is a company that has solutions. First of all, it's not expensive at all…. Terrific business, niche business. I like it and I think you should own it and I think you should buy it.” He emphasized Keysight’s strong position in the electronic test and measurement industry, highlighting its critical role in sectors like telecommunications and semiconductors, and its competitive edge due to high-quality products and brand loyalty among engineers.

Cramer reiterated his positive outlook on March 19, 2025, during another "Mad Money" episode. When asked about Keysight, he responded, “Keysight just hit anything that’s electronic measurement, I love. I also love Agilent. I think this company’s doing incredibly well and stock is getting hit, being, throw the baby with the bathwater. Good stock.” Here, Cramer suggested that despite recent stock price declines—possibly due to broader market trends or lowered guidance—Keysight remains a fundamentally strong company, implying that the market might be undervaluing it.

Cramer’s comments align with Keysight’s reputation as a leader in electronic design and testing solutions, serving industries like communications, aerospace, and energy. His consistent recommendation to buy the stock reflects his confidence in its business model and growth potential, particularly in areas like 5G and 6G network deployment, despite short-term market challenges. However, it’s worth noting that Cramer’s enthusiasm for Keysight isn’t new; he has expressed similar sentiments in the past, such as in 2021, when he described the company as “red hot” and a stock he really liked. This long-term positivity might suggest a bias toward the stock, so it’s wise to consider other factors like Keysight’s current financials, market conditions, and industry trends before making investment decisions.

Well, there you have it, Keysight is going to tank! 
(look up Inverse Cramer if you don't get this)

[coppercone2]

They are going the way of the IBM. Same type of people (or maybe literally the same people) are in charge. Same formula ensures convergence to the same results.

IBM was not a Computer, or Semiconductor business, but a Software business we were told back in 2005 when they attempted to acquire us. IBM Computers were developed to support IBM Software, and Semiconductors were developed to support IBM Computers. Sure hope KS isn't following this path, as we can all see the result in IBM's demise!

Best

IBM is sooo degraded, so many smart people don't even wanna work for them. Literally every person that was there when it changed will tell like a 'enthusiast' not to work there. Like they suspect that your just gonna get 'shot' by someone on the corporate ladder tract in a heart beat.

[Bud]

Walk into any major company’s data center filled with Mainframes taking space of a football field, then think again if IBM is failing or not.

[EEgang]

this one link can explain literally any reason to hate keysight and is mainly responsible for every "anti consumer" decision that is made in regards to Keysight. https://www.keysight.com/us/en/products/services/keysightcare-service-and-support.html.

As Dave noted, the stock started to dry up because Keysight has hit the "wall" of how much hardware boxes you can realistically sell in the world. After you complete this task, stage 2 begins, where you now have to milk those same customers for even more money or just continue to acquire new companies or in keysights case, both.

[EEVblog]

As Dave noted, the stock started to dry up because Keysight has hit the "wall" of how much hardware boxes you can realistically sell in the world. After you complete this task, stage 2 begins, where you now have to milk those same customers for even more money or just continue to acquire new companies or in keysights case, both.

You can't be a $27BN tech company with a P/E of 45 and just sell test equipment.

[HighVoltage]

this one link can explain literally any reason to hate keysight and is mainly responsible for every "anti consumer" decision that is made in regards to Keysight. https://www.keysight.com/us/en/products/services/keysightcare-service-and-support.html.

Interesting to watch a company changing so fast in the wrong direction

[PA0PBZ]

You should have posted the content of that link, Keysight was fast in removing it, 

Or you remove the dot at the end.

[WS]

Now please go and be discouraged somewhere else.

I forgot to ask your permission. What kind of people, what's in their heads.... 

[EEVblog]

As Dave noted, the stock started to dry up because Keysight has hit the "wall" of how much hardware boxes you can realistically sell in the world. After you complete this task, stage 2 begins, where you now have to milk those same customers for even more money or just continue to acquire new companies or in keysights case, both.

You can't be a $27BN tech company with a P/E of 45 and just sell test equipment.

Keysight got brutalised in the crash yesterday, down 9%.
Not as bad as some others, Microchip was down 16%

[hpw]

It is not only this "Keysight Community Discussion Forums - "Discontinued""

As you know, a private person (as without a VAT) may get a gear by some dealers.

Then comes the questions:

- support if does not work as the documents describes or in other words as bug(s)
- how to get the free promotions as only given from Keysight
- how to get the latest FW

I liked to get, as a non VAT person, some more & detailed information's about the 14 bit DSO HD3 from Germany dealer as this sales & deliver to none VAT person(s).

At first the support of this dealer company pointed to the know IMSAI GUI video. The asked about the noted 32M FFT. Since then radio silence 

In other words all about is  or  or  or 

Hp




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[shabaz]

It is not only this "Keysight Community Discussion Forums - "Discontinued""

As you know, a private person (as without a VAT) may get a gear by some dealers.

Then comes the questions:

- support if does not work as the documents describes or in other words as bug(s)
- how to get the free promotions as only given from Keysight
- how to get the latest FW

I liked to get, as a non VAT person, some more & detailed information's about the 14 bit DSO HD3 from Germany dealer as this sales & deliver to none VAT person(s).

At first the support of this dealer company pointed to the know IMSAI GUI video. The asked about the noted 32M FFT. Since then radio silence 

In other words all about is  or  or  or 

Hp




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Realistically, I think the practical answer is to plan your purchase to be in the manner that's required for full manufacturer support, or simply not purchase. I know that's unfortunate but it's practical.

In other words, probably best not to purchase, unless it's for a registered business. Otherwise, you'll forever have the risk of having to be very reliant on the reseller or others (for instance if downloads are ever locked down in future to only business customers).

If you're an individual there is the option of starting your own business but be wary of the overheads which differ from country to country. You'll have at least some sort of initial cost (might not be much but it depends) plus reporting overheads and possibly other ongoing costs/time. Is all that worth it? Depends on how desperately you want that particular instrument.

[hpw]

It is not only this "Keysight Community Discussion Forums - "Discontinued""

As you know, a private person (as without a VAT) may get a gear by some dealers.

Then comes the questions:

- support if does not work as the documents describes or in other words as bug(s)
- how to get the free promotions as only given from Keysight
- how to get the latest FW

I liked to get, as a non VAT person, some more & detailed information's about the 14 bit DSO HD3 from Germany dealer as this sales & deliver to none VAT person(s).

At first the support of this dealer company pointed to the know IMSAI GUI video. The asked about the noted 32M FFT. Since then radio silence 

In other words all about is  or  or  or 

Hp




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Realistically, I think the practical answer is to plan your purchase to be in the manner that's required for full manufacturer support, or simply not purchase. I know that's unfortunate but it's practical.

In other words, probably best not to purchase, unless it's for a registered business. Otherwise, you'll forever have the risk of having to be very reliant on the reseller or others (for instance if downloads are ever locked down in future to only business customers).

If you're an individual there is the option of starting your own business but be wary of the overheads which differ from country to country. You'll have at least some sort of initial cost (might not be much but it depends) plus reporting overheads and possibly other ongoing costs/time. Is all that worth it? Depends on how desperately you want that particular instrument.

As shibaz: "or simply not purchase"

exactly, as to deal & get the VAT for years has no ROI at all.

Only curious, that such dealers gets the Keysight gear for selling and than the last rabbits gets

IMHO a none serious behavior.

Hp