Yes. If a scope is deep enough I like to stack equipment on top.
If only somebody could invent "adjustable shelving".
Better patent that idea quick.
As for stacking I never really liked it because the minute you need to pull an instrument or just move it around you run into a lot of frustration. A shelf per layer might not work in every case but it is simple to implement. I can imagine though people not wanting to spend $100 on shelving to place their $20 000 of equipment on.
Actually I do want better CAT ratings on bench meters. I may be 60 but I still remember the stupid things students do in tech classes. The idea that they are marketing this as a solution for education is what prompted my post.
If I was designing mains SMPS using these multimeters, they would have a short life. They autorange down to mV and get hit with say 370VDC and click clank clunk relays with auto-ranging. So the input stage gets multiple overloads every time. This is differential-mode I am referring to. Then the mux/JFET's get killed and it's a $500 repair bill for the $725 product.
My preferred style would be "short half-rack". Like, Siglent stuff. It nicely fits my table, stackable, and not too deep.
For power supply and signal generator yes, but a scope?Yes. If a scope is deep enough I like to stack equipment on top.
I didn't realize it was a fashion show!
If you want 6.5 digits, BK has the 5493C. I don't know where you are looking at prices, but the 5493C will be more than the GW-Instek--it's twice as accurate.
Actually I do want better CAT ratings on bench meters. I may be 60 but I still remember the stupid things students do in tech classes. The idea that they are marketing this as a solution for education is what prompted my post.
However in industry, at least the one i work in, "bench" meters do go out onto the plant floor very regularly. In this case they are either used for calibration+validation or in some cases diagnostics. Generally they should never get close to high energy circuits but it does happen. Recent enforcement of regulations for arc flash safety has equipment coming in such that the process control stuff is separated from the heavy 3 phase stuff, usually in separate cabinets. That makes the meter use "safer" but a better CAT rating would be very welcomed.
Further if you are at the bench you may have three phase hardware you are working on. This honestly doesn't happen much today due to the lack of time which leads to a lot of "stuff" going into the recycle bin. I'm not real thrilled about this but there is little I can do about staffing because personnel says they can't find candidates.
As for safety I'm not sure how it became a specialty need. Also fused connections are not a guarantee of safety. I've seen some strange things over the years when it comes to what appeared to be properly installed hardware.
Students do a lot a crazy things. It is even easier in Europe then in the US: the standard 4 mm plugs nicely fit many European power outlets.
I can appreciate the new kind of housing, it saves a lot of space on the workbench (depth).
Prices are better for hobby purposes but what when Keysight doesn't sell to private persons anymore...
I didn't realize it was a fashion show!
If you want 6.5 digits, BK has the 5493C. I don't know where you are looking at prices, but the 5493C will be more than the GW-Instek--it's twice as accurate.
If I was designing mains SMPS using these multimeters, they would have a short life. They autorange down to mV and get hit with say 370VDC and click clank clunk relays with auto-ranging. So the input stage gets multiple overloads every time. This is differential-mode I am referring to. Then the mux/JFET's get killed and it's a $500 repair bill for the $725 product.Do you really think that the maximum voltage is only allowed in the least sensitive range? That would be an utterly stupid design! DMM designers are smarter than that. The high input impedance alone makes that even at 1000V at the input the amount of energy getting into the input circuitry is minimal and can't do any damage.
I didn't realize it was a fashion show!
If you want 6.5 digits, BK has the 5493C. I don't know where you are looking at prices, but the 5493C will be more than the GW-Instek--it's twice as accurate.
Why do people in construction spend $50,000 on a new truck when a $10,000 will do the same thing? Or pay extra for nicer wheels, nicer paint, or other unnecessary things? An Ugly Pontiac Aztec will get you from point A to point B, but 99% of people wouldn't want one.
So you'd have the DMM sitting on ohms function but the mux is left at another pogo pin with HV -DC on it and then the DMM dies. The Ohms current-source can have weak protection on some models/makes of bench meters.
Why do people in construction spend $50,000 on a new truck when a $10,000 will do the same thing? Or pay extra for nicer wheels, nicer paint, or other unnecessary things? An Ugly Pontiac Aztec will get you from point A to point B, but 99% of people wouldn't want one. I suspect you are in the 1% that would and don't understand aesthetic appeal. I do electronics for fun and having my bench be visually appealing just adds to the enjoyment. I do see beauty in a lot of vintage test equipment but that Fluke meter is just hideous.
The Instek GDM-9061 is 6.5 digit count with 0.0035% accuracy and costs $807 at tequipment.net. BK 5493C is also 6.5 digits and 0.0035% accuracy and costs $834 at the same vendor. So you are mistaken that the BK is cheaper and more accurate. Both have comparable features such as histogram and trending.
Don't get your feelings hurt because one person doesn't like one of your suggestions. I tend to be way more visual than your average person and went my gear to look as nice as well as it functions, so I understand it might be hard to wrap your head around if you are more old school and just want something that works and could care less about what the thing looks like. Thanks for your suggestions, but they just aren't what fits my personal requirements.
Back on topic... being the visual person that I am I really love these new Keysight products. The prices seem good for what you get with the exception of the function gen. At a minimum I think I will definitely pull the trigger on that power supply.
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And as far as my feelings being hurt, they weren't until you suggested I would be caught dead driving an Aztek. That's a low blow!
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And as far as my feelings being hurt, they weren't until you suggested I would be caught dead driving an Aztek. That's a low blow!
It could be worse - he could have accused you of liking the Fiat Multipla!
We know nothing of the price point for these new Keysight instruments? The playing field has a lot of competition now.
I like this Aston Martin Lagonda
I like this Aston Martin Lagonda
The estate version looks like it'd be doing a wheelie all the way home from a hamfest.
The estate version looks like it'd be doing a wheelie all the way home from a hamfest.
Nah, they have a *huge* engine in the front as a counterwieght for the valuables.
We know nothing of the price point for these new Keysight instruments? The playing field has a lot of competition now.Go a few pages back, prices and user manuals posted.