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Keysight officially lost the plot - don't buy if you're a hobbyist
madires:
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--- Quote from: madires on January 15, 2022, 09:56:48 pm ---Sorry, it's really that way.
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I'm not going to take your word for it!
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You are free to believe whatever you like.
Keysight DanielBogdanoff:
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on January 16, 2022, 10:45:15 am ---
--- Quote from: Calvin on January 16, 2022, 09:19:42 am ---Hi,
well let´s hope for those loop holes in the interest of KS.
But then ... I didn´t get any reply from those good people over here when I asked. :--
regards
Calvin
Hmmmh ... I wonder what happens to those who won devices on Keysight Wave? Will they also be denied service? :-DD
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Well, this was the situation as of yesterday:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on January 15, 2022, 06:18:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: tautech on January 15, 2022, 07:01:57 am ---I do wonder why Daniel from KS that frequents here has seemed to have gone AWOL however I'd bet his inbox is getting a bashing.
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Well, the Keysight give-aways from Dave's raffle last April still haven't shown up, and I think Daniel has probably gone from "embarrassed" to "can't show my face in public".
Last time I heard from him in respect of that was 19th August last year. Part of me is going "Can't really complain, we are talking free after all", another part is going "Keysight eh? Lucky you changed the name or Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard would be turning in their graves.".
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Hi everyone, I'm back from holiday break and a rough string of getting sick, sorry for the absence.
A couple things:
1 - Wave / KU Live 2021 prizes - many are still in the works, some have been delivered. TBH it's been hell but I'm working on it. Those of you who might still be waiting can please feel free to reach out. I'm trying to prioritize the winners for folks like Dave as well.
2 - business vs. hobbyist - I can't say much more than what I've already said on the matter, but it's a legal thing and I'm doing as much as I possibly can to internally advocate for potential alternatives and solutions. As it stands now this is the situation, though. That being said, it's not a terrible idea or terribly expensive to have a small business setup somehow (at least in the US) for a number of reasons. I'm definitely not providing legal advice/business recommendations nor do I advocate doing it, but that's one possible way around it. Maybe folks could even work together on something like that...
-Daniel
nctnico:
--- Quote from: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on January 19, 2022, 12:09:02 am ---2 - business vs. hobbyist - I can't say much more than what I've already said on the matter, but it's a legal thing and I'm doing as much as I possibly can to internally advocate for potential alternatives and solutions. As it stands now this is the situation, though. That being said, it's not a terrible idea or terribly expensive to have a small business setup somehow (at least in the US) for a number of reasons. I'm definitely not providing legal advice/business recommendations nor do I advocate doing it, but that's one possible way around it. Maybe folks could even work together on something like that...
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Thanks for responding to this thread. Is it possible for you to elaborate on the ability of equipment resellers to sell & offer service to individuals where it comes to Keysight equipment? And how about those resellers taking care of existing manufacturer warranty?
Neganur:
--- Quote from: nctnico on January 15, 2022, 09:24:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: madires on January 15, 2022, 08:48:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: RF-Engineer on January 15, 2022, 06:48:12 pm ---In Florida, it costs about $100/year to maintain an LLC.
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In other corners of the world it's more expensive and can also require lots of regular paperwork. And in my case I would even have to move or ask for a special permit since no businesses are allowed in the residential area I live.
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I'm quite sure you are mistaken by that! Just read the fine print and you'll see that these limits apply to businesses that require some kind of permit (environmental for example) to operate. Registering a consulting or holding company won't be a problem at all. If you look in the registry with companies in your neighbourhood, you'll probably find plenty of them.
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It's very common that in residential areas, any business - even one in your own house - is forbidden, without explicit permission. I would like to point out that laws/regulations can be different in different places in Germany, since many things are up to local urban administration and regional government authority. In some places it can be easy, other places already just working in a "home office" could potentially be a problem (in so-called "Reine Wohngebiete, § 3 BauNVO").
If you are interested, have a look at the following sources:
https://www.ihk-schleswig-holstein.de/starthilfe/existenzgruendung/recht-und-steuern/gewerbliche-nutzung-wohngebieten-5181616
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/baunvo/__3.html
0culus:
--- Quote from: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on January 19, 2022, 12:09:02 am ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on January 16, 2022, 10:45:15 am ---
--- Quote from: Calvin on January 16, 2022, 09:19:42 am ---Hi,
well let´s hope for those loop holes in the interest of KS.
But then ... I didn´t get any reply from those good people over here when I asked. :--
regards
Calvin
Hmmmh ... I wonder what happens to those who won devices on Keysight Wave? Will they also be denied service? :-DD
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Well, this was the situation as of yesterday:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on January 15, 2022, 06:18:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: tautech on January 15, 2022, 07:01:57 am ---I do wonder why Daniel from KS that frequents here has seemed to have gone AWOL however I'd bet his inbox is getting a bashing.
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Well, the Keysight give-aways from Dave's raffle last April still haven't shown up, and I think Daniel has probably gone from "embarrassed" to "can't show my face in public".
Last time I heard from him in respect of that was 19th August last year. Part of me is going "Can't really complain, we are talking free after all", another part is going "Keysight eh? Lucky you changed the name or Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard would be turning in their graves.".
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Hi everyone, I'm back from holiday break and a rough string of getting sick, sorry for the absence.
A couple things:
1 - Wave / KU Live 2021 prizes - many are still in the works, some have been delivered. TBH it's been hell but I'm working on it. Those of you who might still be waiting can please feel free to reach out. I'm trying to prioritize the winners for folks like Dave as well.
2 - business vs. hobbyist - I can't say much more than what I've already said on the matter, but it's a legal thing and I'm doing as much as I possibly can to internally advocate for potential alternatives and solutions. As it stands now this is the situation, though. That being said, it's not a terrible idea or terribly expensive to have a small business setup somehow (at least in the US) for a number of reasons. I'm definitely not providing legal advice/business recommendations nor do I advocate doing it, but that's one possible way around it. Maybe folks could even work together on something like that...
-Daniel
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Good to see you around again, sorry to hear about the illness and the like. Hope everything's going ok in that arena. :-+
Personally, I can't afford the vast majority of what Keysight sells new. My personal lab here at home is full of -hp-, older Tektronix, and a few Agilent branded things because all of it can be had for tiny fractions of it's MSRP.
However, like many electronics hobbyists, I also do this stuff at work and I will say that this recent rash of IMO highly scummy behavior towards specialist consumers (whose money apparently isn't green enough?) makes me re-evaluate where I will go shopping for quotes when I need some piece of equipment for work. The legal considerations that the company thinks are important notwithstanding...it's just not a good look to those of us who use test equipment for our hobbies as well as buy stuff professionally. I shouldn't need a registered business if I have the disposable income to buy a used oscilloscope off your ebay store for my hobbies. Aside from ensuring a sale is ITAR compliant (if applicable), why should Keysight care? Yes, laboratory equipment is not consumer electronics, but the folks who are worried about this issue here are hardly regular consumers either.
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