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Keysight officially lost the plot - don't buy if you're a hobbyist
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nctnico:

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--- Quote from: RF-Engineer on January 15, 2022, 06:48:12 pm ---In Florida, it costs about $100/year to maintain an LLC.

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In other corners of the world it's more expensive and can also require lots of regular paperwork. And in my case I would even have to move or ask for a special permit since no businesses are allowed in the residential area I live.

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I'm quite sure you are mistaken by that! Just read the fine print and you'll see that these limits apply to businesses that require some kind of permit (environmental for example) to operate. Registering a consulting or holding company won't be a problem at all. If you look in the registry with companies in your neighbourhood, you'll probably find plenty of them.

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It's very common that in residential areas, any business - even one in your own house - is forbidden, without explicit permission. I would like to point out that laws/regulations can be different in different places in Germany, since many things are up to local urban administration and regional government authority. In some places it can be easy, other places already just working in a "home office" could potentially be a problem (in so-called "Reine Wohngebiete, ยง 3 BauNVO").

If you are interested, have a look at the following sources:
https://www.ihk-schleswig-holstein.de/starthilfe/existenzgruendung/recht-und-steuern/gewerbliche-nutzung-wohngebieten-5181616
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/baunvo/__3.html

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The article itself clearly states that running a small business isn't forbidden even in the most restricted zones. And if you delve a bit deeper, you'll find that it is never a problem to have a home office in Germany. Just as long as you don't use the majority of the home and don't have people coming in & out all day long. It is all common sense really; just be a good neighbour. Ofcourse official websites have to point to registration in order to prevent people from starting their own machine shop in their front yard and causing noise and cause heavy trucks coming and going all day.

Someone:
Its like someone should make a business thats sole purpose is to buy things from Keysight to re-sell on to other people, and co-ordinate the support/warranty through their business credentials.....

... lets call it a distributor!
Smokey:

--- Quote from: Someone on January 19, 2022, 03:32:08 am ---Its like someone should make a business thats sole purpose is to buy things from Keysight to re-sell on to other people, and co-ordinate the support warranty through their business credentials.....

... lets call it a distributor!

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Or just "employ" Keysight equipment purchasers....
tautech:
Needing to register a business just to get support from an equipment manufacturer is nothing but an increase in cost of ownership for that brand.
As business registration costs are annually levied this additional yearly cost of ownership is akin to an annual tax for the pleasure of owning such brands.

So who likes paying an annual fee for brand support when they never have had to before ?  :bullshit:
metebalci:

--- Quote from: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on January 19, 2022, 12:09:02 am ---
2 - business vs. hobbyist - I can't say much more than what I've already said on the matter, but it's a legal thing and I'm doing as much as I possibly can to internally advocate for potential alternatives and solutions. As it stands now this is the situation, though. That being said, it's not a terrible idea or terribly expensive to have a small business setup somehow (at least in the US) for a number of reasons. I'm definitely not providing legal advice/business recommendations nor do I advocate doing it, but that's one possible way around it. Maybe folks could even work together on something like that...

-Daniel

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Not really a reply to Daniel, but is it only me finding this strange ? Isnt the purpose of starting a business is to make business ? I dont know if there can be a legal issue but starting a business in order to support ones hobbies sounds quite strange to me.

In case not clear, I also have (more than EE) reasons to use a business for my hobbies but I still find the idea very strange.
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