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Keysight officially lost the plot - don't buy if you're a hobbyist

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Nominal Animal:
In Finland, if you start a side business, and then get laid off from your day work, you'll find it very difficult to near impossible to get unemployment benefits, since you are thenceforth categorized as an entrepreneur.  Yeah, it's a problem.

I do find it odd that there happens to be some kind of worldwide legal issue that only affects Keysight.  After all, other companies deal with the heavier customer protection laws by making private customers simply pay more, which would be perfectly understandable and acceptable.  I wonder how Keysight shareholders feel about the fact that the company officers refuse to make a profit off private customers?  Shareholders usually tend to be quite cranky and litigous when the officers fail to make a profit when one is obviously available.  If they're told that wink-wink, we'll sell, but only refuse the support by pointing out the tiny text on our eBay page or EULA, and the EU customer protection agencies catch a wiff of that, there could be a nasty legal fight on the way.  Don't forget, shrink-wrap EULAs are not enforceable in the EU, so such shenanigans are quite likely to fail at EU courts, too.

nfmax:
In August 2019, as a personal buyer with an account of some years standing (and identifying myself as such at the time) I bought a used Keysight MSOX-3104T oscilloscope, with included software bundle, from Keysight via their eBay store. This came with 1 year warranty. The following year, I bought a 2-year return-to-Keysight Repair Agreement for the instrument direct from Keysight UK to extend this to the full 3 years. It will run until August 2022.

Although I am now working as a part-time contract engineer (for a company I am part owner of) I bought this for my own use, from my own funds, as a personal customer.

Will Keysight honour this agreement? That is the question! So far, nothing has gone wrong, but...

Neganur:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 19, 2022, 02:47:01 am ---The article itself clearly states that running a small business isn't forbidden even in the most restricted zones. And if you delve a bit deeper, you'll find that it is never a problem to have a home office in Germany. Just as long as you don't use the majority of the home and don't have people coming in & out all day long. It is all common sense really; just be a good neighbour. Ofcourse official websites have to point to registration in order to prevent people from starting their own machine shop in their front yard and causing noise and cause heavy trucks coming and going all day.

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It is forbidden unless you get permission. That is all I wanted to point out.

nctnico:

--- Quote from: Neganur on January 19, 2022, 03:29:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on January 19, 2022, 02:47:01 am ---The article itself clearly states that running a small business isn't forbidden even in the most restricted zones. And if you delve a bit deeper, you'll find that it is never a problem to have a home office in Germany. Just as long as you don't use the majority of the home and don't have people coming in & out all day long. It is all common sense really; just be a good neighbour. Ofcourse official websites have to point to registration in order to prevent people from starting their own machine shop in their front yard and causing noise and cause heavy trucks coming and going all day.

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It is forbidden unless you get permission. That is all I wanted to point out.

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And you are wrong; that is all I wanted to point out. Sitting at home behind a desk, working on a computer is not something you'll need to have permission for (even in Germany): https://www.wohnung.com/ratgeber/252/wohnung-gewerbliche-nutzung-und-ihre-grenzen

madires:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 19, 2022, 03:45:50 pm ---And you are wrong; that is all I wanted to point out. Sitting at home behind a desk, working on a computer is not something you'll need to have permission for (even in Germany)

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Let's try to clarify things. In any case you can have a home office in your house/apartment in Germany. But there might be municipal rules for your street/block/area regarding businesses (and many things more). Those rules could be anything from no businesses at all up to no limitations, e.g. businesses which arent frequented by customers and don't involve any kind of production could be allowed in a specific residential area. Two streets further away brick and mortar shops might be fine. Before registering a business one should check the local rules to prevent trouble later on. And you always have the possibilty to request a special permit (it might be denied though).

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