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| Keysight officially lost the plot - don't buy if you're a hobbyist |
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| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: alm on November 03, 2022, 02:31:33 pm --- --- Quote from: 2N3055 on November 03, 2022, 10:50:34 am ---And there is another elephant in the room. Fact is that users shouldn't care about Keysight either. Keysight virtually has no products that are of interest of hobby users. I am not talking about used equipment but new one. Stuff that is barely within the reach of hobby users have none of advanced features that Keysight is famous for. --- End quote --- There are certainly instruments that are within reach for some hobbyists that provide value. Maybe not the scopes, but how about the E36100 series power supplies with their high current resolution, or the 3446xA multimeters? Both have advanced features and in the case of the DMMs quality (stability) beyond what the B-brands are producing so far. --- End quote --- That is why I said virtually no. There might be an product or two, but that makes a Keysight a brand that is not important to hobby user, despite being largest T&M manufacturer. And hobby user rarely buy even those two product lines. Those PSU are nice but 3x the price of already very nice supplies by Rigol, Siglent or GW Instek. Not to mention those cheap 100 USD lab PSU that already do the job for most. Also brand new 6.5 digit meters are not something hobby users buy. Do not confuse fact that some people will buy very expensive device for their hobby, with what average Joe will buy. Those few are not contributing to statistics here... |
| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 03, 2022, 02:36:20 pm --- --- Quote from: alm on November 03, 2022, 02:31:33 pm --- --- Quote from: 2N3055 on November 03, 2022, 10:50:34 am ---And there is another elephant in the room. Fact is that users shouldn't care about Keysight either. Keysight virtually has no products that are of interest of hobby users. I am not talking about used equipment but new one. Stuff that is barely within the reach of hobby users have none of advanced features that Keysight is famous for. --- End quote --- There are certainly instruments that are within reach for some hobbyists that provide value. Maybe not the scopes, but how about the E36100 series power supplies with their high current resolution, or the 3446xA multimeters? Both have advanced features and in the case of the DMMs quality (stability) beyond what the B-brands are producing so far. --- End quote --- Agreed! In general it is not like the B-brands are equivalent to the A-brands in any way. After all, you don't get what you don't pay for. I have an E36113A myself and when I bought it none of the B brands had anything that comes close to it. --- End quote --- You have every right to chose to be elitist with your own money. But implying that there is a real value to be had is not true. There are differences but not worth the money. That is my opinion as a counter to your. A brands are better only where they are better. They are not holly cows.. Keysight has better 20GHz scopes than Siglent. Because Siglent has no 20GHz scopes. OTOH in 1000 series scopes ranges, Keysight is outclassed in almost every aspect by several non A brand manufacturers, price per price. Because for the money they ask, you can get higher class (2000 level) devices from others. Heck, you can even give just a bit more and have RTB2000 that is unspeakably better device and form A brand... B brands are not only equivalent but even better at some market segments. And also B brands cannot even compete in others because they don't have products that can compete. E36113A has only one special thing and that is low current mode. Otherwise, a completely unremarkable device. For 1.390,00€. I assure you that almost no hobby user will buy that 40W single channel PSU for that money. That doesn't even have numeric keypad to enter values. New Rigol DP2031 is 1.373,75€. 3 completely isolated channels, 220W total, 1uA current resolution.... |
| nctnico:
I got the wrong number. The E36313A I have is a triple channel 160W supply which does have a numeric keypad (otherwise I would not have bought it). That new Rigol supply is just out. Has this been thouroughly evaluated yet? And resolution isn't accuracy. Also, price wise the Rigol ain't exactly cheap so you aren't saving a lot of money. |
| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 03, 2022, 03:27:52 pm ---I got the wrong number. The E36313A I have is a triple channel 160W supply which does have a numeric keypad (otherwise I would not have bought it). That new Rigol supply is just out. Has this been thouroughly evaluated yet? And resolution isn't accuracy. Also, price wise the Rigol ain't exactly cheap so you aren't saving a lot of money. --- End quote --- OK that is a good PSU, I agree. No contest there. But it is also 2,279.00 €. So Rigol with similar specs is almost half the money. I would say that is significantly cheaper. I new Rigols thoroughly evaluated? Like that Keysight PSU that was silently retired that was exploding devices connected to it. Like that? I cannot say how well it works but if it is as rock solid as my DP831 have been for last few years, then it is as good quality as if it were Keysight. And after 5+ years or so now, still in spec on all channels. And dead quiet (electrically) too.. Less than 110uV of noise on 30V channel. Only thing missing is that it has no low current measurement range.. Otherwise very happy with my purchase. |
| BillyO:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 03, 2022, 03:27:52 pm ---I got the wrong number. The E36313A I have is a triple channel 160W supply which does have a numeric keypad (otherwise I would not have bought it). --- End quote --- Most hobbyists can equip an entire lab of instruments that fully meet or exceed their needs for what that PS costs. My 'C' brand, cheapie KORAD KA3305P will do things your E36313A will not do (like supply 60V @ 5A or 30V @ 10A) .. and for 1/10 the price. You could lay off the elitist BS a bit. Just sayin'. |
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