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| Keysight officially lost the plot - don't buy if you're a hobbyist |
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| Martin72:
No Sir... ;) Don´t merge it together. If someone would spend 5000 for a bike, so he also could/would spend 5000 for measuring stuff... It´s a matter where your personal preferences lies. For example I know "dozens" of people who spend thousands of euros for simply wheelcaps, but they getting upset when I told them, I´ve bought lately a used CD-Player for 900 Bucks... |
| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 03, 2022, 11:15:56 pm --- --- Quote from: Martin72 on November 03, 2022, 10:57:00 pm ---A-Brands, B-Brands...C,D,E,F,G... ;) For brands like Tektronix, R&S, Lecroy, Keysight, Yokogawa you pay the name, the quality, for the deacdes of research they spent and finally for the service they offer. And the prices are in spheres, no "normal" hobbyist could/would afford. Because we´re talking about stuff hobbyists can afford. --- End quote --- Sorry, but the whole 'it is for hobby so it must be cheap' stance like some tend to cling to is idiotic. Go tell that to shops that sell 5k euro bicycles or audio gear that starts at 10k. Or how much does a gaming PC cost nowadays? I see gaming PCs that cost 10k euro just for the PC alone. Or how about metal working? There is a huge list of hobbies that cost several k euro just to buy some gear. No, things shouldn't be cheap because it is just for hobby. That is nonsense. Gear for hobby is worth what you are willing to spend on it. --- End quote --- You are not understanding the message here. Nobody is telling hobby users they shouldn't buy expensive things. We are telling you that those that give so much money are minority on global scale. Most electronics hobby users will not buy a 5000€ scopes, and most bicycle riders won't buy 5000€ bicycles.. Many people in Croatia have 500-600 € monthly salaries. I guarantee you they drive used cars that cost less than 5000€. Not bicycles for 5000€.. But they are allowed to have hobby too.. But they won't have so much money... |
| Anthocyanina:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 03, 2022, 11:15:56 pm --- --- Quote from: Martin72 on November 03, 2022, 10:57:00 pm ---A-Brands, B-Brands...C,D,E,F,G... ;) For brands like Tektronix, R&S, Lecroy, Keysight, Yokogawa you pay the name, the quality, for the deacdes of research they spent and finally for the service they offer. And the prices are in spheres, no "normal" hobbyist could/would afford. Because we´re talking about stuff hobbyists can afford. --- End quote --- Sorry, but the whole 'it is for hobby so it must be cheap' stance like some tend to cling to is idiotic. Go tell that to shops that sell 5k euro bicycles or audio gear that starts at 10k. Or how much does a gaming PC cost nowadays? I see gaming PCs that cost 10k euro just for the PC alone. Or how about metal working? There is a huge list of hobbies that cost several k euro just to buy some gear. No, things shouldn't be cheap because it is just for hobby. That is nonsense. Gear for hobby is worth what you are willing to spend on it. --- End quote --- I think this is not about hobbyists not wanting to spend their money on the best there is, but fearing that if they do so, they'll be left on their own if they buy keysight. Do the other big brands offer customer support to individuals? very likely that hobbyists with lots of money would rather buy the best from brands that do reply to an customer support ticket, instead of a really good brand that will just sell you the thing but then you're completely on your own if any issues arise. I see rohde & schwarz have people on the forum, maybe they could comment on that? |
| BillyO:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 03, 2022, 09:34:30 pm ---No, you just buy an A brand PSU which can deliver more current / voltage. --- End quote --- Then you have the "A" tell you go tug you dick when you have problems with it. No. Sorry. I have a Tek scope and a Fluke DMM, but they are both long past their warranty dates anyway and I got them cheap, but that's as far as I will go. Even if I needed the specs of your Keysight PS I'd not buy it. If something goes badly wrong with it you end up with a $2700 brick. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 03, 2022, 11:15:56 pm ---Sorry, but the whole 'it is for hobby so it must be cheap' stance like some tend to cling to is idiotic. Go tell that to shops that sell 5k euro bicycles or audio gear that starts at 10k. Or how much does a gaming PC cost nowadays? I see gaming PCs that cost 10k euro just for the PC alone. Or how about metal working? There is a huge list of hobbies that cost several k euro just to buy some gear. No, things shouldn't be cheap because it is just for hobby. That is nonsense. Gear for hobby is worth what you are willing to spend on it. --- End quote --- Only the most serious hobbyists with either lots of disposable income, or a very limited range of hobbies allowing them to focus entirely on one thing spend that kind of money. I fly model airplanes and there are guys that spend thousands on beautiful scale models and at other clubs there are even some that spend tens of thousands on giant scale models or jets that have real miniature turbine engines. Those are the outliers though, the vast majority of us fly cheap foamies or self built balsa planes costing a few hundred bucks or less. So yes, hobby gear should be cheap relative to what most companies are buying, those companies are using that gear to make money, hobbyists in general are not. Out of everyone I know, there is ONE serious audiophile that has spent tens of thousands on gear. Similarly I know ONE serious cyclist that has an expensive bicycle. I don't know any hobbyist that has a $12K A-brand scope or whatever, they all either have budget range Rigol, Siglent, etc or they have decades old A-brand stuff. On the flip side, I don't know of any large corporations that are using low end hobbyist scopes or 30 year old gear from ebay. |
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