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| tautech:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 07, 2022, 10:46:44 am --- --- Quote from: boggis the cat on November 07, 2022, 05:22:14 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on November 04, 2022, 08:56:40 pm ---@tautech: forgot the missing capacitors episode which Siglent didn't handle at all? --- End quote --- Pretty sure Tautech got the capacitors from Siglent to do service on all of the sold units (this was the 1202X-E). I couldn't be bothered sending mine up to him, so he mailed me the capacitors. I haven't installed them yet, because it has minimal effect and I'm lazy / indifferent. --- End quote --- Tautech is a positive exception; he took this action by himself which was in no way controlled or enforced by Siglent. --- End quote --- Really, the rework and adjustment instructions written by Siglent suggest otherwise. |
| Nominal Animal:
When someone is convinced that brand A is better than brand B, no logical argument will change their mind, because brands do not rely on logic, they rely on human emotional responses. Only a personal event, changing their emotional responses, will affect their conviction. Now, before anyone points out me using Tux (and what it might imply), and pot-kettle-black, I'll say that Tux is just my mascot, not my idol. That said, in my earlier years, I did believe in brands, up until I myself ran a business, starting in a business incubator, talked to experiences entrepreneurs and business angels, and learned how and why brands are created and maintained. I am not denigrating anyone, just stating a fact about business brands; a fact that a large number of businesses rely on. In support of my claims here, just look at brand monetary valuation, and at what kind of prices brands are sold, bought, and licensed. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on November 07, 2022, 07:35:26 pm ---When someone is convinced that brand A is better than brand B, no logical argument will change their mind, because brands do not rely on logic, they rely on human emotional responses. Only a personal event, changing their emotional responses, will affect their conviction. --- End quote --- I guess this is partly aimed at me. Let me tell you: I have spend (directly and indirectly) about 4k euro to make Siglent equipment work in a business environment and failed. That is a hard learned lesson. Not some hand waving about brand value creation or fanboyism (I don't care about that). And if you pay close attention you'll notice I have and have owned equipment from many different brands -not afraid to stray from the beaten paths-. From that I have concluded that the A brands are a better business investment in the long run. That is 100% based on logic. |
| Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 08, 2022, 02:00:49 am --- --- Quote from: Nominal Animal on November 07, 2022, 07:35:26 pm ---When someone is convinced that brand A is better than brand B, no logical argument will change their mind, because brands do not rely on logic, they rely on human emotional responses. Only a personal event, changing their emotional responses, will affect their conviction. --- End quote --- I guess this is partly aimed at me. Let me tell you: I have spend (directly and indirectly) about 4k euro to make Siglent equipment work in a business environment and failed. That is a hard learned lesson. --- End quote --- And that is why you feel so emotionally about this. --- Quote from: nctnico on November 08, 2022, 02:00:49 am ---fanboyism --- End quote --- No, I was not talking about that; "fanboyism" is a completely separate phenomenon (and one based more on dopamine kicks than emotional responses). I mean that you feel strongly about brands, because you have hard earned lessons about them; but you do not logically see how small your own experimental sample is, nor do you acknowledge any selection biases inherent in that sample. You are not behaving logically here. Your admission that your opinion is based on your experiences, combined with your conviction, is proof of that. Experience ≝ anecdotal evidence ≠ logic. Nevertheless, I am NOT calling you a fanboy, only of being very normal human. Just because you're technically very adept, does not make you immune. Brands work exactly like this. They also rely on the very human expectation that "if X produced A, and A is good, and X now produces B, B must be good too", because it typically applies in nature: an edible root or plant last year, is almost certainly edible this year too. These principles are actively exploited in business and enterprise, and are the basic reason brands exist in the first place. There is no shame in being affected by brands, but there is shame in declaring that brands themselves quarantee value and/or quality. Because they demonstrably do not. Furthermore, suggesting that there is an actual hierarchy of brands that corresponds to the value or quality of products belonging to that brand, is just idiotic, because every single brand has an occasional goof or Monday product, proving the suggestion invalid. |
| pdenisowski:
--- Quote from: xrunner on November 05, 2022, 12:52:34 am ---I'm wondering if the other vendors - Tektronix, R&S, Fluke, etc. will sell you Keysight equipment that was traded-in to them. :-DD --- End quote --- (laughs). Can’t speak for the other guys, but R&S definitely does not resell (or even give away) competitor trade-ins :) |
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