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| tooki:
If at all possible, buy it from a vendor which ships to Switzerland with customs pre-cleared and VST prepaid, or is already in Switzerland. Otherwise, you risk nasty surprises on delivery, very much like what you describe. (Sure, 7.7% VAT, but then a 30 franc fee just to calculate and collect the VAT for you…) Reichelt is likely the cheapest, but they don’t have it in stock. Distrelec has the non-plus version in stock: Version with data port (CHF 142, free shipping): https://www.distrelec.ch/en/bench-top-power-supply-30v-5a-150w-programmable-cee-rnd-lab-rnd-320-ka3005p/p/30061864 Version without data port (CHF 90+ 8 shipping): https://www.distrelec.ch/en/bench-top-power-supply-30v-5a-150w-adjustable-cee-rnd-lab-rnd-320-ka3005d/p/30061863 Since they have them in stock in Switzerland, a Distrelec order placed today will arrive tomorrow. |
| twist3r:
Thanks tooki for your reply! Since you're from Switzerland, and since there are things that I have no clue about, I hope you will not mind if I ask some questions... Everytime I'm thinking of ordering something, my first thought is to look at try to find specific electronic part that can be bought direclty from within Swiss country. But most of the time, that is not possible. Or at least, I couldn't find the website store which sells electronics and ship it from within Switzerland . reichelt is a website store from Germany. Their main webiste is reichelt.de. They also have a site at .com domain. So I believe they are shipping form withing Germany. As for Distrelec, I fear that they don't have a storage in Switzerland but only an office in 8606 Nänikon. Since you live in Switzerland maybe you can confirm if I'm wrong about that. About your suggestion to order it from Distrelec. What they are selling is not a Korad unit but RND. I know its probably (almost) the same thing just diferent brand. But... Korad unit had some faulty things in the past, which Dave found. And there was a YT video of him (and other YT guy) reporting it that Korad 'fixed' that issue. Through the years, Korad fixed some things on their unit. I don't know what RND did and did they fixed the same things that Korad unit has fixed. Korad unit also fixed that 'lock' button. I have no clue if RND did the same thing with the latest batch that they manufactured. Also I found somewhere at YT that someone reported RND unit getting faulty. Question regarding Switzerland VAT and how it is calculated: 1. VAT = VST (in Switzerland) correct? (is it the same thing just different 'name'?) 2. If I pay...let say German VAT, does that mean I will not be charged to pay Switzerland VAT (VST) when the package arrive in Switzerland? 3. Is it possible when ordering from website located in Germany, to 'strip' the German VAT but add Switzerland VAT (VST) which I will be pay along with the product before it arrive in Switzerland, so that I don't have to pay extra when it arrives at customs in Switzerland? Can you try to explain to me how that part works? Is it possible to pay Swiss VAT at German website, so that you don't have to pay nothing extra when it arrive in Switzerland? 4. One family member from Switzerland told me that he ordered some sunglasses from Italian webiste few years ago. He said that (if he remembers correctly) he paid 200 euros for sunglasses and that Swiss VAT was around... 7-8% (which is what you told me). Thats not much considering what I would pay if I order the same thing from my country (I'll probably better not wearing sunglasses because of that :) ) So my question is: lets say you pay some product 100 euros and also you pay... 50 euros for a shipping (DHL). Will the Swiss customs apply VAT at 100 euros or they will (like in my country) apply 7% to 150 euros (product value + shipping cost)? |
| adam4521:
Another OEM variant for these products is Tenma. In the UK these are available from CPC, reasonable prices (lower than Amazon): https://cpc.farnell.com/c/test-equipment/bench-power-supplies-sources-loads?brand=tenma. I have the 'dual' version with the 'safety terminals'. Once you have got a selection of leads to plug in, they really aren't an issue in my opinion. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: twist3r on March 29, 2022, 01:26:25 pm ---5.Everytime I'm thinking of ordering something, my first thought is to look at try to find specific electronic part that can be bought direclty from within Swiss country. But most of the time, that is not possible. Or at least, I couldn't find the website store which sells electronics and ship it from within Switzerland . reichelt is a website store from Germany. Their main webiste is reichelt.de. They also have a site at .com domain. So I believe they are shipping form withing Germany. As for Distrelec, I fear that they don't have a storage in Switzerland but only an office in 8606 Nänikon. Since you live in Switzerland maybe you can confirm if I'm wrong about that. 6. About your suggestion to order it from Distrelec. What they are selling is not a Korad unit but RND. I know its probably (almost) the same thing just diferent brand. But... Korad unit had some faulty things in the past, which Dave found. And there was a YT video of him (and other YT guy) reporting it that Korad 'fixed' that issue. Through the years, Korad fixed some things on their unit. I don't know what RND did and did they fixed the same things that Korad unit has fixed. Korad unit also fixed that 'lock' button. I have no clue if RND did the same thing with the latest batch that they manufactured. Also I found somewhere at YT that someone reported RND unit getting faulty. Question regarding Switzerland VAT and how it is calculated: 1. VAT = VST (in Switzerland) correct? (is it the same thing just different 'name'?) 2. If I pay...let say German VAT, does that mean I will not be charged to pay Switzerland VAT (VST) when the package arrive in Switzerland? 3. Is it possible when ordering from website located in Germany, to 'strip' the German VAT but add Switzerland VAT (VST) which I will be pay along with the product before it arrive in Switzerland, so that I don't have to pay extra when it arrives at customs in Switzerland? Can you try to explain to me how that part works? Is it possible to pay Swiss VAT at German website, so that you don't have to pay nothing extra when it arrive in Switzerland? 4. One family member from Switzerland told me that he ordered some sunglasses from Italian webiste few years ago. He said that (if he remembers correctly) he paid 200 euros for sunglasses and that Swiss VAT was around... 7-8% (which is what you told me). Thats not much considering what I would pay if I order the same thing from my country (I'll probably better not wearing sunglasses because of that :) ) So my question is: lets say you pay some product 100 euros and also you pay... 50 euros for a shipping (DHL). Will the Swiss customs apply VAT at 100 euros or they will (like in my country) apply 7% to 150 euros (product value + shipping cost)? --- End quote --- 1. No. VST is not VAT. (VST is some kind of tax on investments, completely irrelevant here.) VAT (en) = MwSt (de) = TVA (fr/it) 2. No. Whether you paid German VAT does not matter to the Swiss government, they still want their tax. Smaller foreign vendors that don’t collect Swiss VAT can leave off their e.g. German VAT when selling to Switzerland (and usually will), but they don’t always. 2/3: As of a year or two ago, any foreign vendor selling more than (IIRC) CHF 100000 per year into Switzerland is required to collect Swiss VAT at the time of sale, which means no customs surprises on delivery. Any large vendor (Digi-Key, mouser, Farnell, RS, Conrad, Reichelt, Amazon, etc.) is big enough to meet this threshold. So it’s only when ordering from smaller vendors (like welectron) or individuals that customs surprises are likely. When Swiss VAT is collected, it means that Swiss VAT is collected instead of higher EU VAT. For this reason, I very much try to order from vendors big enough that they collect Swiss VAT, since it saves all sorts of hassles and costs. 4. Swiss VAT, at least when it’s collected on delivery, is based on the value including shipping costs (7.7% of 150 in your example). 5. Reichelt is in Germany, but if the website is set to Switzerland, their prices are the bottom line price including Swiss VAT. No customs surprises. Anything on Distrelec.ch that’s available for 24h shipping or for pick-up is physically located in Nänikon. (You can even get same-day delivery from them, or go by and pick it up yourself.) Anything that says 3 day shipping comes from abroad (not sure where), but again, with Swiss VAT already collected, so no customs surprises. Electronics suppliers who warehouse in Switzerland include: Distrelec and Conrad for electronics components; Brütsch-Rüegger for tools and fasteners; Brack, Microspot, and Digitec/Galaxus for consumer electronics and household stuff. Foreign electronics components vendors who ship to Switzerland with Swiss tax collected, customs pre-cleared (DDP incoterms) include: Distrelec (for whatever isn’t in stock in Switzerland), Digi-Key, Mouser, Farnell, RS, Reichelt, ELV, and probably some others. (IIRC, direct orders from Texas Instruments are also this way.) Make sure Switzerland is selected as the country right from the start, since some websites empty your cart when changing country. 6. Whether it’s labeled Korad, RND, Tenma, Vellemann, or whatever other rebadge brands, Korad is the manufacturer of this thing. |
| twist3r:
Thank you so much for your reply! You shared a lot good information about buying things and shipping it to Switzerland. Yet, I'm still confused (sorry about that). There is this thing that confusing me. I re-read your previous comment and goolged it and...I still can't decide what is what. In your previous comment, you said: --- Quote ---If at all possible, buy it from a vendor which ships to Switzerland with customs pre-cleared and VST prepaid, or is already in Switzerland. Otherwise, you risk nasty surprises on delivery, very much like what you describe. (Sure, 7.7% VAT, but then a 30 franc fee just to calculate and collect the VAT for you…) --- End quote --- Then in the comment above, you said: --- Quote ---VST is not VAT. (VST is some kind of tax on investments, completely irrelevant here.) VAT (en) = MwSt (de) = TVA (fr/it) --- End quote --- Then I googled 'Swiss VAT' and it sais: --- Quote ---Switzerland has very low VAT rates compared to the EU countries. The standard tax rate is 7.7% and the reduced tax rate is 2.5% --- End quote --- Seams like... VAT in Switzerland has the same meaning like in the rest of the Europe, with just that 'small' difference that it is not 20% but only 7.7%. Correct? Ok, but then...I'm confused why did you said: --- Quote ---If at all possible, buy it from a vendor which ships to Switzerland with customs pre-cleared and VST prepaid, or is already in Switzerland. Otherwise, you risk nasty surprises on delivery, very much like what you describe. (Sure, 7.7% VAT, but then a 30 franc fee just to calculate and collect the VAT for you…) --- End quote --- Ok, I'll ask website to calculate Swiss VAT before I order it, so I can pay that as well with my order. But what is that VST then? Do I have to ask German site to calculate Swiss VST as well? Or I will be paying VST when it arrives in Swiss? (maybe in that case I would have to pay extra 30 FR that you talked about?) So should I (if that is possible ) ask the site to strip German VAT and add Swiss VAT + Swiss VST, so that my family members from Switzerland will not have to pay anything extra when it arrives at their doorstep in Switzerland? This VST thing is confusing me. If you think that I can more easily understand, take this as an example: Let say that an item on german website cost 119 euros (because they calculated 19% German VAT). So without German VAT, value of that item is 100 euro. Please can you tell me what are the all other taxtes that the site would apply at the value of 100 euros, that include everything that needs to be paid to Switzerland before it arrives it in Switzerland? As for the other things that you said: --- Quote ---Smaller foreign vendors that don’t collect Swiss VAT can leave off their e.g. German VAT when selling to Switzerland (and usually will), but they don’t always. --- End quote --- What does that actually mean. Does that mean they will chage me more for German VAT and leave me to be charged again for Swiss VAT when the package arrive in Switzerland? Why woudn't they remove German VAT when it is obvious that they are going to ship the item outside Germany? --- So big vendors (Digi-Key, mouser, Farnell, RS, Conrad, Reichelt, Amazon) already calculate Swiss VAT when I'm about to pay for the product that I put in the 'cart' on their website? But what about the smaller vendors like welectron (or individuals)... Can I asked them (politely) to calculate Swiss VAT, or they just don't have such possibility? (I'm asking so that I can know if they CAN do that but they don't want to, or they just CAN'T)? For instance Welectron is seling that KORAD bench power supply for 100 euros (without German VAT). Shipping with DHL is 9.9 euros (for anything up to 12Kg in weight). So ...if welectron can't calculate Swiss VAT at their site, does that mean I would have to pay for the item when it arrives in Switzerland: 100+9.9 (shipping) = 109.9 (lets round it to 110 euros. So Swiss will apply 7.7% at the value of 110 euros + 30 euros for their service? OR... they will first add 30 euros (or franc) to 110 euros (so its like 110+30), and then apply 7.7% to a value of 140 euros? Will that be the end of robbery or there is more? I need to know what is the worst case scenario. :) --- Quote ---Reichelt is in Germany, but if the website is set to Switzerland, their prices are the bottom line price including Swiss VAT. No customs surprises. --- End quote --- This is what always confusing me when browsing foreigh websites. Because... I never know if by switching to different country on their website, means that site 'language' is just about to change to the selected country language, or that the VAT (and prices) will be for that country specifically? --- Quote ---Electronics suppliers who warehouse in Switzerland include: Distrelec and Conrad for electronics components; Brütsch-Rüegger for tools and fasteners; Brack, Microspot, and Digitec/Galaxus for consumer electronics and household stuff. --- End quote --- ^ I never heard about Brütsch-Rüegger and Brack company. For Microspot I heard recently when I was browsing Swiss Ricardo where one seller was selling used PC parts and said he bought them in Microspot. So I'm guessing Microspot is not Swiss company but some foreign (German?) company? As for Digitec, that is where I ordered my Galaxy S II phone back in 2011 (strange thing was that default phone laguage was set to Hungary). I was even in their store in Dietikon. At the time, I was surprised its just for 'picking up already ordered things'. As a tourist I thought it is an actual shop like InterDiscount :) btw. What is Galaxus? Is that a partner of Digitec or maybe some company that bought Digitec? --- offtopic 1: Did you ever order anything from mindfactory.de ? And did it get cheapr than buying it in Swiss? (they mostly sell PC hardware as far as I know). offtopic 2: Who sells in Swiss cheapest PC parts? (I thought its Digitec, but now I'm not so sure) --- When you say ELV you mean https://ch.elv.com/ ? (I never heard of them so I tried to google) --- Quote ---Whether it’s labeled Korad, RND, Tenma, Vellemann, or whatever other rebadge brands, Korad is the manufacturer of this thing. --- End quote --- This is an itneresting thing that you just wrote. Because just yesterday, I was googling the KORAD model 'KA3005P' and got to digikey website: https://www.digikey.ch/en/products/detail/sra-soldering-products/KA3005P/10709868 ^ Do you see what they wrote under 'manufacturer' ? They are saying that manufacturer is 'SRA Soldering Products' and the 'series' is 'KORAD'. Then I googled 'SRA Soldering Products' and ended up here: https://www.sra-solder.com/our-brands/ ^ at the bottom of their page there is 'Our Brands' link, and that is where you get when you click on it. There KORAD is listed as their brand (along with AOYUE which I already heard about before). So question is... who is the actual manufacturer of KORAD? Is KORAD a company or just a series of specific tool of different company (SRA Soldering Products)? And one more interesting thing: even though I'm at digikey .ch domain, under: Voltage - Supply it is written 110 ~ 220VAC. So I would guess that is an even older model of KORAD where there was a 'switch' (If I got all that right) where you can sellect what is the main voltage that you gonna use that power supply on. KORAD has lots of improvemants. Even removed that M5 function for 'lock' button which doesn't turn off quickly if I understood it right. I'm not sure if RND, Tenma (sold at farnell) have such improvements included. And I'm pretty sure, asking any website to confirm such would be waste of time. Btw. when ordering from farnell, which of its many subdomain I should use (for ordering it to arrive in Switzerland)? I'm guessing https://ch.farnell.com/ ? ^ I'm sorry that (again) I dropped bunch of questions at you. |
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