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LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« on: July 01, 2014, 06:37:11 pm »
It seems LeCroy has now released their variant of the Siglent SDS3000:
http://teledynelecroy.com/newwave/

It seems to be positioned directly below the current WaveSurfer MXs-B which runs Windows XPe. Like many new scopes it also offers signal generator (25MHz) and MSO capabilities as options, although the decode standards are limited (I2C, UART, RS-232, SPI). Math capabilities seem to be limited as well.

The entry level (200MHz 2Ch) is listed as $3200 which really isn't *that* cheap. On the other side, this doesn't look like the huge (300% - 500%) markup LeCroy has put on other Siglent gear (WaveStation, WaveAce) in the past.

I wonder for how much the Siglent SDS3000 will go for.

« Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 07:02:03 pm by Wuerstchenhund »
 

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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2014, 07:16:37 pm »
the web of the product looks like they're selling to managers not engineers.
 

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2014, 07:31:04 pm »
Hi,

After half of the promotional video, i stopped it, i could not take it anymore, what a piece of bullshit!!!
LeCroy you should be ashamed ...

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2014, 09:00:56 pm »
Fuck, that video hurts.

And that creepy guy with the sunglasses ... The kind of guy that hangs around in a Corvette in front of a public school to pick up young girls to convert them into prostitutes.
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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2014, 09:05:56 pm »
Hi,

After half of the promotional video, i stopped it, i could not take it anymore, what a piece of bullshit!!!
LeCroy you should be ashamed ...

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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2014, 11:09:31 pm »
btw... is it only me ? or... ?.. i think a touch screen is actually a disadvantage... i don't want to touch the waveform and cover it with my finger... i want to see it all the time -  that's why i'm using a scope ;) and actually adjusting with knobs and buttons is faster than touching the screen and sliding your finger to adjust something.
 

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2014, 11:22:44 pm »
Urgh, that MAUI touch interface looks like a PC scope.
Drop down touch menus, yeah, that's what I want  :palm:
If it's so good, why do they give you the knobs as well?
 

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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2014, 12:04:26 am »
btw... is it only me ? or... ?.. i think a touch screen is actually a disadvantage... i don't want to touch the waveform and cover it with my finger... i want to see it all the time -  that's why i'm using a scope ;) and actually adjusting with knobs and buttons is faster than touching the screen and sliding your finger to adjust something.
Yes, when you try and point out a trace, something funny happens. More than once I've had to point out a trace to someone. The touch would just piss me off.
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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2014, 12:07:56 am »
That design looks very ... Chinese.


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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2014, 12:48:28 am »
No ARB  :palm:
 

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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2014, 01:00:47 am »
In watching the Maui demo vid I noticed the entire unit would wobble every time he pressed the screen. Either it was the wobbliest table or he was really pressing hard. It's the first video under "videos and tech briefs."

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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2014, 01:25:28 am »
In watching the Maui demo vid I noticed the entire unit would wobble every time he pressed the screen. Either it was the wobbliest table or he was really pressing hard. It's the first video under "videos and tech briefs."
Looks like it probably has a resistive touch screen so he had to push fairly hard. The table was pretty wobbly though.
 

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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2014, 03:59:29 am »
Interesting LeCroy have not offered the full SDS3000 range with models to 1GHz
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent's-new-products-sds3000-series-oscilloscopes/
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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2014, 05:06:26 am »
btw... is it only me ? or... ?.. i think a touch screen is actually a disadvantage... i don't want to touch the waveform and cover it with my finger... i want to see it all the time -  that's why i'm using a scope ;) and actually adjusting with knobs and buttons is faster than touching the screen and sliding your finger to adjust something.
Yes, when you try and point out a trace, something funny happens. More than once I've had to point out a trace to someone. The touch would just piss me off.

Well, that's why all LeCroys with touch screen do have a button to disable the touch functionality  8)

Obviously I can't speak for this particular scope but on the other WaveSurfers and WaveRunners I found the touch screen actually very useful. For example, zooming into a signal is done by drawing a box over the part of the signal that is to be zoomed. This is much quicker than using the manual controls (which still is possible). Also, being able to select functionality by a simple touch instead of wading through menus is definitely a bonus. They really have integrated touch functionality very well, at least in their other scopes. At the moment I'm not so sure about the WaveSurfer 3000.

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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2014, 05:12:56 am »
Interesting LeCroy have not offered the full SDS3000 range with models to 1GHz
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent's-new-products-sds3000-series-oscilloscopes/

I guess they want people requiring more than 500MHz bandwith to go with the WaveSurfer MXs-B (which is the last LeCroy Iwatsu scope) or the WaveRunner 6Zi instead.
 

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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2014, 05:19:03 am »
Urgh, that MAUI touch interface looks like a PC scope.
Drop down touch menus, yeah, that's what I want  :palm:
If it's so good, why do they give you the knobs as well?

Because some things are quicker with knobs (i.e. horizontal and vertical settings), some are quicker by using the touch screen (i.e. selecting maths functions, changing the configuration, zooming into specific parts of a signal).

It does work very well on LeCroy's XStream scopes. After seeing the video, I'm not so sure it does on this scope, though.

Didn't LeCroy promise for some time to send you some stuff? Any chance they might give you one of these scopes for review?
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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2014, 06:08:01 am »
Urgh, that MAUI touch interface looks like a PC scope.
Drop down touch menus, yeah, that's what I want  :palm:
If it's so good, why do they give you the knobs as well?

What was your opinion around 25 years ago when HP launched new logic analyzer system 16500?

It was series 16500 whole logic analyzer system,  first A, then B and later C and between these series did not need change this user interface basics. But it need note that nearly sure this time also most users have been well educated and professionals. It was not for gameboy kids who do not understand what he is doing but he can push and turn every button in front panel and screen under some seconds and then tell this is crap because  it do or show something he do not understand.

Whole logic analyzer (+scope) have just one knob and touch screen. Oh well... more. Other knob is Power and there is also touch screen disable switch.  All you do with touch screen and it is quite fast to use.  And system is quite complex with several kind of modules (scopes, logic analyzers and many kind of pattern generators etc (it can optionally use with keyboard and mouse but all you can do just with turning this one knob and touch screen. )

This equipment UI was so clever that it can use even people who have only one finger or not even it.
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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2014, 07:12:41 am »
Interesting LeCroy have not offered the full SDS3000 range with models to 1GHz
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent's-new-products-sds3000-series-oscilloscopes/

I guess they want people requiring more than 500MHz bandwith to go with the WaveSurfer MXs-B (which is the last LeCroy Iwatsu scope) or the WaveRunner 6Zi instead.
That is most likely the case, but I believe an agreement between LeCroy and Siglent restricts Siglent from offering other models in the SDS3000 range that LeCroy do not market.
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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2014, 07:23:50 am »
Hi,

After half of the promotional video, i stopped it, i could not take it anymore, what a piece of bullshit!!!
LeCroy you should be ashamed ...

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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2014, 07:39:11 am »
What was your opinion around 25 years ago when HP launched new logic analyzer system 16500?

It was series 16500 whole logic analyzer system,  first A, then B and later C and between these series did not need change this user interface basics. But it need note that nearly sure this time also most users have been well educated and professionals. It was not for gameboy kids who do not understand what he is doing but he can push and turn every button in front panel and screen under some seconds and then tell this is crap because  it do or show something he do not understand.

Good example. And I fully agree with you.

I guess the problem is that many (oldschool?) EEs still expect modern scopes to look like in the 1930's, i.e. all knobs and buttons, with vertical controls on left and horizontal controls on the right (which always struck me as odd, after all 'X' comes before 'Y'). Which is all well and fine if one uses an oscilloscope merely as a device to look at waveforms i.e. like a CRO). However, this can't work if the scope is used as a signal analyzer, which is what traditional scopes weren't. So there have to be additional controls, which simply weren't there on CROs.

One way to deal with the additional functionality and the user controls required is to plaster the front panel with even more buttons (or give every button 5 or six different functions), which isn't the most ergonomical solution. Another way is to use softkeys, which is what many modern scopes use (as did older LeCroy scopes running VxWorks or LeCroy's own OS before that). But I really believe scopes are one area where touch interfaces really shine. Drawing a box around a signal area I want to zoom in or an area I want to trigger on is quicker and easier than doing the same with manual controls or wading through menus.

This aside, it's not that LeCroy has dumped physical buttons and knobs, they are still there. All basic scope functions can be changed without having to touch the screen.

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Re: LeCroy's newest Siglent scope (SDS3000) has arrived!
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2014, 07:44:19 am »
btw... is it only me ? or... ?.. i think a touch screen is actually a disadvantage... i don't want to touch the waveform and cover it with my finger... i want to see it all the time -  that's why i'm using a scope ;) and actually adjusting with knobs and buttons is faster than touching the screen and sliding your finger to adjust something.
Before making such a statement think about why every smartphone has a touchscreen nowadays. A touchscreen works very intuitive because of our nature.
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2014, 07:52:01 am »
btw... is it only me ? or... ?.. i think a touch screen is actually a disadvantage... i don't want to touch the waveform and cover it with my finger... i want to see it all the time -  that's why i'm using a scope ;) and actually adjusting with knobs and buttons is faster than touching the screen and sliding your finger to adjust something.
Before making such a statement think about why every smartphone has a touchscreen nowadays. A touchscreen works very intuitive because of our nature.
Not really, a touchscreen only works as well as the user interface behind it. Smartphones only work with a touchscreen because they spend the vast majority of time and money on the user interface, and a little bit on the backend, the complete opposite of a scope (usually).
 

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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2014, 09:08:33 am »
Havent watched the video, but toddlers are using ipads. Only a matter of time until touch is  expected everywhere. Im sure some creative people can come up wiht an interface that is intuitive to use.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2014, 11:10:49 am »
I hate to see screens covered with greasy marks and smears. I wouldn't buy a touch-screen scope simply for that reason.
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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2014, 11:52:38 am »
I hate to see screens covered with greasy marks and smears. I wouldn't buy a touch-screen scope simply for that reason.

There's actually very little greasy marks and smear. LeCroy doesn't use the same glossy display fronts that are used on cell phones and which are a real fingerprint magnet.

These scopes aren't your regular tablet or smartphone. They have a matte display surface which doesn't attract smear and doesn't show fingerprints unless you touched some Wendy burgers before using it.
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