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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1300 on: October 29, 2025, 12:35:43 pm »

Are there plans btw. to make a webserver frontend for the Magnova?
Not that it is super important.

I think Batronix would certainly find users (=me for example :-)) contributing that if ssh access is possible and local SCPI works.

They are developing a web server, and personally I think it is super important.

I do remote operation and SCPI stuff in TestController, but I often prefer to use a webserver for regular control of a scope when I want to see the screen live without being directly in front of it.
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1301 on: October 29, 2025, 03:38:00 pm »
Yes, for some usecases like screensharing with somebody it is really useful. Especially Covid teached us that. For me it is not a must have as I download via SCPI, but sometimes i used it in the past for the mentioned purpose.
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1302 on: October 30, 2025, 09:01:21 pm »
I finally got around to the most important part of an oscilloscope...XY mode music. ;)

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1303 on: October 30, 2025, 09:21:52 pm »
Yes, Magnova is right at the top in that respect.
 
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1304 on: November 01, 2025, 01:08:08 pm »
Hi!

I was playing to get an SMB share active on the Magnova to access my Diskstation. When trying to open it via the folder icon on the bottom side and then opening it the following happened:

- The scope froze
- After ~0.5 to 1 minute it restarted
- Since then the touchscreen is was not responsive anymore.
- An external mouse did also not work - tried to working ones.

Restarting, power off/on using the softtouch buttun did not change any of the behaviour (though it turned off/on of course).

Once I switched off with the real power off/on button on the backside and turned it on again it started to work again. HOWEVER. All my settings are gone and it is fully back in default settings.

SW version is the latest one from a few days ago.

Now that the scope is back to life I tried it again. Using the file browser I clicked on by SMB share -> the scope froze for ~10 seconds (e.g. on updates on waveform), the file browser closed itself.

Then I opened the File browser again and tried to open the SMB share again - same behavior.

The SMB login data / path / host is btw. all set correct. Maybe it is not happy about having an "Umlaut" in my password? :-)

Would have been nice to use SMB, but I feel it is not yet up to speed in terms of error handling / showing errors and so on.


Really feels like that SMB stuff can generate serious memory leakage issues or so resulting in undefined behavior.

(SSH access would be great to debug a bit :-D)

Another finding: I had set the Quicksave path to the non working SMB share. Now I remved the SMB share and whenver I press Quicksave it says that the path is invalid, but gives no ability to change the path. I know how to change it, but would be nice if it would show the dialog, which it had shown the first time I pressed it again instead of just complaining :-)
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1305 on: November 01, 2025, 01:31:56 pm »
Hi,

In the very rare cases where the Scope freezes, Batronix is keen to receive a log of this.
After restarting following the freeze, open the Settings menu, then go to "Information" - "Save log".
Insert a USB stick beforehand.

Then send the log file by email.
Unfortunately, mere mortals cannot see what the log contains.... ;)
 
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1306 on: November 01, 2025, 02:02:30 pm »
Martin72, that is a nice feature.  Do other instruments log info that can unravel the causes for crashes?
 

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1307 on: November 01, 2025, 02:15:21 pm »
Hi,

I am also familiar with this option from Siglent Scopes, except that you cannot access it as easily as with Magnova.
I had Magnova earlier than others and once experienced a freeze, after which I was asked to send the log.
Shortly afterwards, I received a reply stating that the cause had been found in the log and that it would be fixed in the next firmware update.

The ability to read the log, the email notification when new firmware is available, and the very simple update via the Internet... Yes, these are very nice service points for Magnova.
But in real life, it's the same: if parents only have one child, they spoil them. ;)
Good for us.

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1308 on: November 01, 2025, 03:06:02 pm »
Will try it out, thanks Martin.
Will also try an smb share without umlaut as pwd... I guess smb shares work, because the release notes say already for an earlier version that freezes and crashes had been fix (obviously not in all cases).

Smb is a really nice feature to have, used that on some expensive R&S scopes before in situations where memory sticks were not allowed to be used.

Update: I created a new SMB user on my Diskstation without "Ä" in the password. Now it works fine. Not 100% sure if this is the root cause and won't dive deeper into it as it seems to works now. Will anyway send an email to BaTronix to report it.
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1309 on: November 01, 2025, 03:13:43 pm »
Hi!

I was playing to get an SMB share active on the Magnova to access my Diskstation. When trying to open it via the folder icon on the bottom side and then opening it the following happened:

- The scope froze
- After ~0.5 to 1 minute it restarted
- Since then the touchscreen is was not responsive anymore.
- An external mouse did also not work - tried to working ones.
...
Yeah, I also found SMB sharing to be a bit touchy. The scope does not play nice when the target share is not available (powered off) or when the network is down (cable removed etc). On the upside, I created a share on a PC and as long as I make sure that this PC is on and the Magnova is connected to the network, it never fails.
 

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1310 on: November 01, 2025, 04:00:30 pm »
Even if your login info is correct, it doesn't mean it will play nicely. My Windows account has my full name (with a space), and uses a password or a code, but neither worked, and I had similar issues.

I added a separate Windows user for the Magnova (single name, no spaces) with a simple password (no fancy characters), and then it all worked without issue.
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1311 on: November 01, 2025, 08:49:04 pm »
Using it now since quite a while with the "simple username/password" and it runs stable.

BTW: What is the purpose of that strangly shaped metal bracket between AWG module and backside USB ports?
Could not find any accessory using it and on my scope it looks quite different to the one in the manual. The one in the manual looks like a heatsink, but "mine" looks more like a holder for accessory.

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1312 on: November 01, 2025, 09:10:42 pm »
Mine too.
Maybe it's meant to be a cable guide.

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1313 on: November 01, 2025, 09:16:42 pm »
I grip it like a handle. Maybe it's a heatsink + handle? 🤷
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1314 on: November 01, 2025, 10:20:56 pm »
I was playing to get an SMB share active on the Magnova to access my Diskstation. When trying to open it via the folder icon on the bottom side and then opening it the following happened:
Oh that is interesting, thanks for posting. I had a similar behaviour a week ago (although I already had a special non-space account for the SMB-share) - sent the error log to Batronix already  ;)
 

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1315 on: November 02, 2025, 12:20:12 pm »

Maybe your password contains also any Umlaut äöüÄÖÜß or more nordic characters like ø :-)
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1316 on: November 04, 2025, 04:00:38 pm »
Is there any way to configure the scope to expand around the center, not around the reference level?
When viewing small signals riding on large offsets it would be more convenient to zoom into the voltage in the middle of the screen ;)
 

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1317 on: November 04, 2025, 04:57:09 pm »
You can zoom in to whatever you want, and you can drag the screen around to center it. It's easier if you're not zoomed in too tight before you find exactly what you want.
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1318 on: November 04, 2025, 05:12:05 pm »
Is there any way to configure the scope to expand around the center, not around the reference level?
When viewing small signals riding on large offsets it would be more convenient to zoom into the voltage in the middle of the screen ;)

One option could be to use AC coupling, which removes the DC offset and allows you to focus on and zoom in on the small signal. However, this is not always suitable, such as when you need to measure or observe the DC level simultaneously.

Thank you for your suggestion to allow scaling around the display center instead of the channel reference level. It makes perfect sense. I’ll add it to our feature request list.
 
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1319 on: November 04, 2025, 10:54:59 pm »
Thoughts on the extended calibration procedure:

(some questions about extended calibration were answered in this thread by Andre77 on November 27, 2024)

I noticed some systematic level differences between channels (same adjustments of course). After the offset calibration the results were the same and so it was time for the extended calibration. I moved the BMO from the workbench to the lab, which is 5 meters away. Powered on it showed "temperature warm up" - as the unit was off for thirty seconds or so this seems to depend only on the uptime, not on the temperature. No big thing as I guess the extended calibration will not be done often.

The DMM used should have at least 0.1% accuracy on 10KHz AC measurements. One might think, that 14 month old Keithly DMM is way better than that and it is still in it's first calibrated intervall. Maybe a mistake. Accuracy of the DMM6500 in the needed frequency and voltage ranges is 0.05% of reading + 0.03% of range. At near full range readings we will have therefore 0.08% accuracy; not so much better than 0.1% and the temperature coefficient is still not considered. Looking at the datasheet I was surprised that the calibration cycle for the 1VAC and 10VAC ranges is 90 days. The 2 year cycle I had in mind is valid for the 750VAC range.

Maybe another error could result from the needed cabling for the calibration. It takes 4 T connectors to connect all input channels and the DMM to the function generator. As the hp 3325B only has a 50 Ohms output, I also added a feedthrough terminator. To be sure I checked each connection for the scope input channels with the DMM and of course I got small differences. For a 1Vrms / 10KHz sine wave the deviations were <0.1mV.

The absolute voltage error was fine tuned on the hp but never vanished.
The manual (and I think the text on the screen as well) told me that the difference from the ideal voltage value and the measured voltage should be entered at some point of the procedure but I missed that. Maybe some extra colored hint would help at this point.

At the last step I noticed that the frequency had changed from 10KHz to 10Hz - or was it some steps before? I am not sure but at the moment I do not want to repeat the time consuming procedure.

At the first sight, the result of the extended calibration was good - I did not see any level differences.

As I got the AWG some weeks ago, I wanted to know if it has a good voltage accuracy. Connected to the DMM in Hi-Z mode it measured 1.0003 VAC +/- 0.07mV for a 1Vrms sine wave.
Then I put it in 50 Ohm mode and used the same feedthrough terminator I used before and the measured values worsened ... up to a 5 mV error.
So doing the calibration again without the terminator and half the voltage setting on the generator would maybe result in less need for voltage fine tuning. All the other terminators I have are non feedthrough and would require another T connector.

The point is: With the AWG installed you can think of an automated extended calibration procedure. Maybe in a first step the accuracy of the AWG should be checked manually but then the rest could be run by a program.

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1320 on: November 05, 2025, 11:15:45 am »
I moved the BMO from the workbench to the lab, which is 5 meters away. Powered on it showed "temperature warm up" - as the unit was off for thirty seconds or so this seems to depend only on the uptime, not on the temperature. No big thing as I guess the extended calibration will not be done often.

The Magnova continuously monitors the front-end temperature to determine when the thermal end state has been reached. Once there is no significant temperature change for several minutes, the calibration dialog changes from "warming up" to "warm."

The measurement is quite precise (to a tenth of a degree), and the system correctly identifies a reboot as a significant temperature change, meaning it recognizes that the final thermal state hasn’t yet been reached anymore. In this case, however, it should not have taken too long for the warm state to be reached again.

The DMM used should have at least 0.1% accuracy on 10KHz AC measurements. One might think, that 14 month old Keithly DMM is way better than that and it is still in it's first calibrated intervall. Maybe a mistake. Accuracy of the DMM6500 in the needed frequency and voltage ranges is 0.05% of reading + 0.03% of range. At near full range readings we will have therefore 0.08% accuracy; not so much better than 0.1% and the temperature coefficient is still not considered. Looking at the datasheet I was surprised that the calibration cycle for the 1VAC and 10VAC ranges is 90 days. The 2 year cycle I had in mind is valid for the 750VAC range.

While it would be possible to use a less precise digital multimeter (DMM), the 0.1% requirement ensures that the DMM's measurement error has a negligible effect on the oscilloscope calibration. A 6.5-digit DMM, such as the Siglent SDM3065X, should work well for this as well (0.06% + 0.03%, within ±5 °C for ACV/2 V/10 kHz for a 1 year period).

Maybe another error could result from the needed cabling for the calibration. It takes 4 T connectors to connect all input channels and the DMM to the function generator. As the hp 3325B only has a 50 Ohms output, I also added a feedthrough terminator. To be sure I checked each connection for the scope input channels with the DMM and of course I got small differences. For a 1Vrms / 10KHz sine wave the deviations were <0.1mV.

The absolute voltage error was fine tuned on the hp but never vanished.
The manual (and I think the text on the screen as well) told me that the difference from the ideal voltage value and the measured voltage should be entered at some point of the procedure but I missed that. Maybe some extra colored hint would help at this point.

That's an important point. Since the generator output can’t be set exactly right, the calibration lets you enter the actual value measured by your DMM manually. You can tap either the amplitude or rms voltage field. Entering a value in one field automatically updates the other. The calibration will then be based precisely on the measured and entered DMM value, so there’s no need for tedious fine-tuning of the generator.

Thank you for pointing out that we should make the input fields more visible.

At the last step I noticed that the frequency had changed from 10KHz to 10Hz - or was it some steps before? I am not sure but at the moment I do not want to repeat the time consuming procedure.

Thanks for pointing that out! The frequency note could certainly be highlighted. It's easy to overlook the change, especially since every step except the last one uses 10 kHz.

At the first sight, the result of the extended calibration was good - I did not see any level differences.

Excellent! That's how it should be.

As I got the AWG some weeks ago, I wanted to know if it has a good voltage accuracy. Connected to the DMM in Hi-Z mode it measured 1.0003 VAC +/- 0.07mV for a 1Vrms sine wave.

Then I put it in 50 Ohm mode and used the same feedthrough terminator I used before and the measured values worsened ... up to a 5 mV error.
So doing the calibration again without the terminator and half the voltage setting on the generator would maybe result in less need for voltage fine tuning. All the other terminators I have are non feedthrough and would require another T connector.

The point is: With the AWG installed you can think of an automated extended calibration procedure. Maybe in a first step the accuracy of the AWG should be checked manually but then the rest could be run by a program.

Yes, more advanced automated calibration with a built-in generator would be possible. However, an accurate external DMM and some manual steps would still be necessary.

The accuracy you observed in Hi-Z mode sounds very good (as expected).

When using a 50-ohm termination, the voltage is subject to the tolerances of the internal output resistance and the external termination.

The Magnova has a special feature that sets it apart: With the Magnova generator, not only can you specify Hi-Z and 50 ohms as the load, but you can also adjust the resistance within a wide range with milliohm precision. This allows you to compensate for the tolerance of the output resistance, and the load (termination) resistance, as well as perform a quick calibration for a specific load case.
 
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1321 on: November 05, 2025, 11:20:43 am »
They reproduced succesfully the issue with äöüÄÖÜ in passwords. Reported it by mail and got a quick response and they'll fix it. Though they did not see the big crash that I saw.
I am not used to such good customer service - really good!
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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1322 on: November 09, 2025, 03:00:22 pm »
I grip it like a handle. Maybe it's a heatsink + handle? 🤷

it must be the heatsink. At my Magnova it looks a little different - and it's definitely a heatsink!
 

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1323 on: November 09, 2025, 03:37:44 pm »
Quick question, where did you get these BNC end caps? ;)

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Re: Magnova oscilloscope
« Reply #1324 on: November 09, 2025, 03:42:57 pm »
You can find those caps at AliExpress.
Just search for "BNC dust cover".
 
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